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  • L Lost User

    Nope ;) Enumarable is also A,B,C and also chinese characters are also kind of sortable. And btw. A,B,C was invented before ascii code ;) Sorry, I think you can't explain where I'm wrong. I case you can then please: Do it and do it with math background. Thanks, and I'm not interested in fights, I'm only interested on facts.

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    Crayons are enumerable, cows are enumerable, photographs are enumerable, grains of sand on a beach are enumerable, are they sortable?

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      Still missing an answer to "Ok, then please explain how to index a thing you can't enumerate. Please ...

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      I didn't say you could.

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      • L Lost User

        "It's usually an incremented integer for practical reasons" ... which is also the badest thing for an index (usually implemented as somtehing like a binary tree) because each increment does need to reorganice the tree. Anyway: Everything is sortable, either because we can do it on a binary representation or if not possible (what most probably will never be the case) one can introduce our self defined sorting.

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        If by "badest", you mean "worst", then I agree, integers are a poor choice for IDs.

        Member 15353828 wrote:

        Everything is sortable

        Nope.

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        • P PIEBALDconsult

          Crayons are enumerable, cows are enumerable, photographs are enumerable, grains of sand on a beach are enumerable, are they sortable?

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          Lost User
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          Any answer with facts?

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          • L Lost User

            In most(?) parts of the MS- ecosystem - stuff (e.g. Notepad) is used to seperate lines for textual data. To know what I mean, look at a textfile where lines are seperated by only with notepad... Now in MS-Teams it looks like they changed their mind and followed the Unix standard and use only , try: Copy paste a text from MS-Teams and paste it to notepad. ... either way not really earth-shattering ;)

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            kalberts
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            Yeah! F**k standards. Ignore completely what international standards have said for fifty+ years about the semantics of CR and LF. Sure enogh: The *nix community has for 30+ years argued 'F**k standards! NIH!' - their only 'significant' argument being that it saves eight bits of storage space per text line. That sure is essential, isn't it? There are sensible *nix adherents. That does not include those justifying LF newlines 'because it saves eight bits'.

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              Yeah! F**k standards. Ignore completely what international standards have said for fifty+ years about the semantics of CR and LF. Sure enogh: The *nix community has for 30+ years argued 'F**k standards! NIH!' - their only 'significant' argument being that it saves eight bits of storage space per text line. That sure is essential, isn't it? There are sensible *nix adherents. That does not include those justifying LF newlines 'because it saves eight bits'.

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              And now please repeat/explain less emotional, that I don't need to google every thing. Thanks in advance ;)

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                If by "badest", you mean "worst", then I agree, integers are a poor choice for IDs.

                Member 15353828 wrote:

                Everything is sortable

                Nope.

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                'If by "badest", you mean "worst", then I agree, integers are a poor choice for IDs' On this I think we come closer, more I think we are on the same line. "Everything is sortable": Nope Please give me an idea what is not sortable. Minor: And sorry I have no idea about how to responde something 'quoted'. Thats why I put the quotes in italic. And also pay attention, I'm not native English therefore the chance of missunderstanding is always present :(

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                • L Lost User

                  'If by "badest", you mean "worst", then I agree, integers are a poor choice for IDs' On this I think we come closer, more I think we are on the same line. "Everything is sortable": Nope Please give me an idea what is not sortable. Minor: And sorry I have no idea about how to responde something 'quoted'. Thats why I put the quotes in italic. And also pay attention, I'm not native English therefore the chance of missunderstanding is always present :(

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                  PIEBALDconsult
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                  Crayons are enumerable, cows are enumerable, photographs are enumerable, grains of sand on a beach are enumerable, are they sortable?

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                  • L Lost User

                    And now please repeat/explain less emotional, that I don't need to google every thing. Thanks in advance ;)

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                    If I understand you right: Any reference to international standards is 'emotional'. At least if they are in conflict with with what is pushed by the *nix community. Fair enough. It makes a point, sort of.

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      Crayons are enumerable, cows are enumerable, photographs are enumerable, grains of sand on a beach are enumerable, are they sortable?

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                      Lost User
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                      Sorry, only intersting on facts.

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                      • K kalberts

                        If I understand you right: Any reference to international standards is 'emotional'. At least if they are in conflict with with what is pushed by the *nix community. Fair enough. It makes a point, sort of.

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                        Lost User
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                        I'm only interested in facts. Therefore explain your facts. Best will be if you can explain it exactely which means most of times explain it math whise ;)

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                        • L Lost User

                          Sorry, only intersting on facts.

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          These are facts. Not everything is sortable.

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            These are facts. Not everything is sortable.

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                            Everything -any data you catch with a computer- ends in a stream of bits which is sortable. Please explain whehre I'm wrong in case I'm wrong, which is not the case....

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                              Everything -any data you catch with a computer- ends in a stream of bits which is sortable. Please explain whehre I'm wrong in case I'm wrong, which is not the case....

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              Yes, but that's not "everything" -- it's only representations of things and labels for things within a computer. It also meets the criteria of not being meaningfully sortable.

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                              • L Lost User

                                Any answer with facts?

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                                Mladen Jankovic
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                                How do you sort images of cows or complex numbers?

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                                • P PIEBALDconsult

                                  Yes, but that's not "everything" -- it's only representations of things and labels for things within a computer. It also meets the criteria of not being meaningfully sortable.

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                                  I give up, but I like to mention again you did not show an example which is 'not sortable' So it be

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                                  • M Mladen Jankovic

                                    How do you sort images of cows or complex numbers?

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                                    This is a very trivial case, before post that q think about it

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      This is a very trivial case, before post that q think about it

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                                      Mladen Jankovic
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                                      No please explain and then tell me factually, since you like facts so much, how it's meaningful.

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                                      • M Mladen Jankovic

                                        No please explain and then tell me factually, since you like facts so much, how it's meaningful.

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                                        You are lazy like some of the q/a. And you lean back while asking 'clever' q here? Your words: "How do you ort images of cows or complex numbers?" Images: e.g. a hash (a very special one, it is up to you to learn more about that) Complex numbers: any other special things? What about sorting not only a 2.dim, but also 3, 4, .. dim? Sorry, that are the so 'trivial' things one expect here.... at least when I'm reading Q/A. So go and do your homework [Edit] And no, no, no I do not google for you "sorting N dimensions". It is simply a level more than the very simple questions in qa, but I excpect from you that you are able to do it [/Edit]

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          You are lazy like some of the q/a. And you lean back while asking 'clever' q here? Your words: "How do you ort images of cows or complex numbers?" Images: e.g. a hash (a very special one, it is up to you to learn more about that) Complex numbers: any other special things? What about sorting not only a 2.dim, but also 3, 4, .. dim? Sorry, that are the so 'trivial' things one expect here.... at least when I'm reading Q/A. So go and do your homework [Edit] And no, no, no I do not google for you "sorting N dimensions". It is simply a level more than the very simple questions in qa, but I excpect from you that you are able to do it [/Edit]

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                                          Mladen Jankovic
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                                          So tell me what's the meaning behind the hash? Not even going to argue hash collisions. And please what the math is saying about such sorting of complex numbers?

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