Nothing important; somebody noticed this also, MS <CRLF> vs. <CR> ...
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'If by "badest", you mean "worst", then I agree, integers are a poor choice for IDs' On this I think we come closer, more I think we are on the same line. "Everything is sortable": Nope Please give me an idea what is not sortable. Minor: And sorry I have no idea about how to responde something 'quoted'. Thats why I put the quotes in italic. And also pay attention, I'm not native English therefore the chance of missunderstanding is always present :(
Crayons are enumerable, cows are enumerable, photographs are enumerable, grains of sand on a beach are enumerable, are they sortable?
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And now please repeat/explain less emotional, that I don't need to google every thing. Thanks in advance ;)
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Crayons are enumerable, cows are enumerable, photographs are enumerable, grains of sand on a beach are enumerable, are they sortable?
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If I understand you right: Any reference to international standards is 'emotional'. At least if they are in conflict with with what is pushed by the *nix community. Fair enough. It makes a point, sort of.
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These are facts. Not everything is sortable.
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These are facts. Not everything is sortable.
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Everything -any data you catch with a computer- ends in a stream of bits which is sortable. Please explain whehre I'm wrong in case I'm wrong, which is not the case....
Yes, but that's not "everything" -- it's only representations of things and labels for things within a computer. It also meets the criteria of not being meaningfully sortable.
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How do you sort images of cows or complex numbers?
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Yes, but that's not "everything" -- it's only representations of things and labels for things within a computer. It also meets the criteria of not being meaningfully sortable.
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How do you sort images of cows or complex numbers?
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No please explain and then tell me factually, since you like facts so much, how it's meaningful.
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No please explain and then tell me factually, since you like facts so much, how it's meaningful.
You are lazy like some of the q/a. And you lean back while asking 'clever' q here? Your words: "How do you ort images of cows or complex numbers?" Images: e.g. a hash (a very special one, it is up to you to learn more about that) Complex numbers: any other special things? What about sorting not only a 2.dim, but also 3, 4, .. dim? Sorry, that are the so 'trivial' things one expect here.... at least when I'm reading Q/A. So go and do your homework [Edit] And no, no, no I do not google for you "sorting N dimensions". It is simply a level more than the very simple questions in qa, but I excpect from you that you are able to do it [/Edit]
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You are lazy like some of the q/a. And you lean back while asking 'clever' q here? Your words: "How do you ort images of cows or complex numbers?" Images: e.g. a hash (a very special one, it is up to you to learn more about that) Complex numbers: any other special things? What about sorting not only a 2.dim, but also 3, 4, .. dim? Sorry, that are the so 'trivial' things one expect here.... at least when I'm reading Q/A. So go and do your homework [Edit] And no, no, no I do not google for you "sorting N dimensions". It is simply a level more than the very simple questions in qa, but I excpect from you that you are able to do it [/Edit]
So tell me what's the meaning behind the hash? Not even going to argue hash collisions. And please what the math is saying about such sorting of complex numbers?
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I give up, but I like to mention again you did not show an example which is 'not sortable' So it be
I have given a few examples twice now. I'm done too.
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And now please repeat/explain less emotional, that I don't need to google every thing. Thanks in advance ;)
and derive from old mechanical typewriters where moving the carriage (and horizontal line position) and moving the roller (and vertical line position) were two different operations. is a carriage return. On a typewriter it moves that carriage to the home position of the current line and on a computer it moves the insert cursor to the start of the current line (and on unix to the next line.) is a line feed. On a typewriter it rotates the roller by one line space (configurable). On a computer it moves the cursor down one line. Therefore moves the cursor to the start of the next line and should just move the cursor to the start of the current line.
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and derive from old mechanical typewriters where moving the carriage (and horizontal line position) and moving the roller (and vertical line position) were two different operations. is a carriage return. On a typewriter it moves that carriage to the home position of the current line and on a computer it moves the insert cursor to the start of the current line (and on unix to the next line.) is a line feed. On a typewriter it rotates the roller by one line space (configurable). On a computer it moves the cursor down one line. Therefore moves the cursor to the start of the next line and should just move the cursor to the start of the current line.
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I'm only interested in facts. Therefore explain your facts. Best will be if you can explain it exactely which means most of times explain it math whise ;)
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In most(?) parts of the MS- ecosystem - stuff (e.g. Notepad) is used to seperate lines for textual data. To know what I mean, look at a textfile where lines are seperated by only with notepad... Now in MS-Teams it looks like they changed their mind and followed the Unix standard and use only , try: Copy paste a text from MS-Teams and paste it to notepad. ... either way not really earth-shattering ;)
It may not be earth shattering but it is pathetic, the way Teams works. Wait, make that "doesn't work."
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You have omitted the keyword meaningfully from the quote. An ID is a substitute key. It should not have a meaning. It's usually an incremented integer for practical reasons, which is sortable per definition but the order has no meaning, it could just as well be a GUID. <edit>my bad, I see the quote has been edited
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
which is sortable per definitio
Exactly.
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
but the order has no meaning,
Ah, I see. So you are saying that the order of IDs have no meaning. They do tell you when a record was created relative to another, but otherwise, sure, I think I get what you are saying.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
which is sortable per definitio
Exactly.
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
but the order has no meaning,
Ah, I see. So you are saying that the order of IDs have no meaning. They do tell you when a record was created relative to another, but otherwise, sure, I think I get what you are saying.
If that is the way IDs are allocated. In other words: A special case. Such special cases do exist - but are special cases nevertheless. In a de-duplicating file system, a page or file (depending on which level de-duplication is done) usually have an ID given by the hash of the page/file contents. In other systems, partial series of IDs may be reserved by sub-authorities - this is common for ISDN reservations by book publishers, or phone number series allocated to different phone companies. The sub-authority may split the reservation into sub-series: I know of phone companies allocating numbers from different series to business or private customers. In many regions, an alphatbetic prefix on the car registration plate indicate home town or county; the numeric part is not unique, and cars from different locations cannot be ordered in age by it. Within the lowest level sub-sub-sub series, IDs might be allocated in order, but maybe not. Eg. IDs used earlier (like phone numbers or car license plates) may, after a quarantine period of non-usage, be allocated to another object.