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  • L Lost User

    In most(?) parts of the MS- ecosystem - stuff (e.g. Notepad) is used to seperate lines for textual data. To know what I mean, look at a textfile where lines are seperated by only with notepad... Now in MS-Teams it looks like they changed their mind and followed the Unix standard and use only , try: Copy paste a text from MS-Teams and paste it to notepad. ... either way not really earth-shattering ;)

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    kalberts
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    Yeah! F**k standards. Ignore completely what international standards have said for fifty+ years about the semantics of CR and LF. Sure enogh: The *nix community has for 30+ years argued 'F**k standards! NIH!' - their only 'significant' argument being that it saves eight bits of storage space per text line. That sure is essential, isn't it? There are sensible *nix adherents. That does not include those justifying LF newlines 'because it saves eight bits'.

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      Yeah! F**k standards. Ignore completely what international standards have said for fifty+ years about the semantics of CR and LF. Sure enogh: The *nix community has for 30+ years argued 'F**k standards! NIH!' - their only 'significant' argument being that it saves eight bits of storage space per text line. That sure is essential, isn't it? There are sensible *nix adherents. That does not include those justifying LF newlines 'because it saves eight bits'.

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      And now please repeat/explain less emotional, that I don't need to google every thing. Thanks in advance ;)

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      • P PIEBALDconsult

        If by "badest", you mean "worst", then I agree, integers are a poor choice for IDs.

        Member 15353828 wrote:

        Everything is sortable

        Nope.

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        Lost User
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        'If by "badest", you mean "worst", then I agree, integers are a poor choice for IDs' On this I think we come closer, more I think we are on the same line. "Everything is sortable": Nope Please give me an idea what is not sortable. Minor: And sorry I have no idea about how to responde something 'quoted'. Thats why I put the quotes in italic. And also pay attention, I'm not native English therefore the chance of missunderstanding is always present :(

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          'If by "badest", you mean "worst", then I agree, integers are a poor choice for IDs' On this I think we come closer, more I think we are on the same line. "Everything is sortable": Nope Please give me an idea what is not sortable. Minor: And sorry I have no idea about how to responde something 'quoted'. Thats why I put the quotes in italic. And also pay attention, I'm not native English therefore the chance of missunderstanding is always present :(

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Crayons are enumerable, cows are enumerable, photographs are enumerable, grains of sand on a beach are enumerable, are they sortable?

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          • L Lost User

            And now please repeat/explain less emotional, that I don't need to google every thing. Thanks in advance ;)

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            kalberts
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            If I understand you right: Any reference to international standards is 'emotional'. At least if they are in conflict with with what is pushed by the *nix community. Fair enough. It makes a point, sort of.

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              Crayons are enumerable, cows are enumerable, photographs are enumerable, grains of sand on a beach are enumerable, are they sortable?

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              Sorry, only intersting on facts.

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                If I understand you right: Any reference to international standards is 'emotional'. At least if they are in conflict with with what is pushed by the *nix community. Fair enough. It makes a point, sort of.

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                I'm only interested in facts. Therefore explain your facts. Best will be if you can explain it exactely which means most of times explain it math whise ;)

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                • L Lost User

                  Sorry, only intersting on facts.

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                  PIEBALDconsult
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                  These are facts. Not everything is sortable.

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    These are facts. Not everything is sortable.

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                    Everything -any data you catch with a computer- ends in a stream of bits which is sortable. Please explain whehre I'm wrong in case I'm wrong, which is not the case....

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                      Everything -any data you catch with a computer- ends in a stream of bits which is sortable. Please explain whehre I'm wrong in case I'm wrong, which is not the case....

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                      Yes, but that's not "everything" -- it's only representations of things and labels for things within a computer. It also meets the criteria of not being meaningfully sortable.

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                      • L Lost User

                        Any answer with facts?

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                        Mladen Jankovic
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                        How do you sort images of cows or complex numbers?

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                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                          Yes, but that's not "everything" -- it's only representations of things and labels for things within a computer. It also meets the criteria of not being meaningfully sortable.

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                          I give up, but I like to mention again you did not show an example which is 'not sortable' So it be

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                            How do you sort images of cows or complex numbers?

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                            This is a very trivial case, before post that q think about it

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                            • L Lost User

                              This is a very trivial case, before post that q think about it

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                              Mladen Jankovic
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                              No please explain and then tell me factually, since you like facts so much, how it's meaningful.

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                              • M Mladen Jankovic

                                No please explain and then tell me factually, since you like facts so much, how it's meaningful.

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                                You are lazy like some of the q/a. And you lean back while asking 'clever' q here? Your words: "How do you ort images of cows or complex numbers?" Images: e.g. a hash (a very special one, it is up to you to learn more about that) Complex numbers: any other special things? What about sorting not only a 2.dim, but also 3, 4, .. dim? Sorry, that are the so 'trivial' things one expect here.... at least when I'm reading Q/A. So go and do your homework [Edit] And no, no, no I do not google for you "sorting N dimensions". It is simply a level more than the very simple questions in qa, but I excpect from you that you are able to do it [/Edit]

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                                  You are lazy like some of the q/a. And you lean back while asking 'clever' q here? Your words: "How do you ort images of cows or complex numbers?" Images: e.g. a hash (a very special one, it is up to you to learn more about that) Complex numbers: any other special things? What about sorting not only a 2.dim, but also 3, 4, .. dim? Sorry, that are the so 'trivial' things one expect here.... at least when I'm reading Q/A. So go and do your homework [Edit] And no, no, no I do not google for you "sorting N dimensions". It is simply a level more than the very simple questions in qa, but I excpect from you that you are able to do it [/Edit]

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                                  Mladen Jankovic
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                                  So tell me what's the meaning behind the hash? Not even going to argue hash collisions. And please what the math is saying about such sorting of complex numbers?

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                                  • L Lost User

                                    I give up, but I like to mention again you did not show an example which is 'not sortable' So it be

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
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                                    I have given a few examples twice now. I'm done too.

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      And now please repeat/explain less emotional, that I don't need to google every thing. Thanks in advance ;)

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                                      CodeWomble
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                                      and derive from old mechanical typewriters where moving the carriage (and horizontal line position) and moving the roller (and vertical line position) were two different operations. is a carriage return. On a typewriter it moves that carriage to the home position of the current line and on a computer it moves the insert cursor to the start of the current line (and on unix to the next line.) is a line feed. On a typewriter it rotates the roller by one line space (configurable). On a computer it moves the cursor down one line. Therefore moves the cursor to the start of the next line and should just move the cursor to the start of the current line.

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                                        and derive from old mechanical typewriters where moving the carriage (and horizontal line position) and moving the roller (and vertical line position) were two different operations. is a carriage return. On a typewriter it moves that carriage to the home position of the current line and on a computer it moves the insert cursor to the start of the current line (and on unix to the next line.) is a line feed. On a typewriter it rotates the roller by one line space (configurable). On a computer it moves the cursor down one line. Therefore moves the cursor to the start of the next line and should just move the cursor to the start of the current line.

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                                        kalberts
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                                        You could also mention that changes the active vertical position by one line with no change in the horizontal position. Now we are in harmony with International Standard Six Forty Six (and the numerous others that extends it).

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          I'm only interested in facts. Therefore explain your facts. Best will be if you can explain it exactely which means most of times explain it math whise ;)

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                                          kalberts
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                                          I am sure that you can sort out the facts. I have the impression that you are an expert on sorting.

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