Elon goes to war
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I don't have a problem with Musk like so many people here apparently do. I try to live by the mantra of cleaning my doorstep before I clean others. I don't always succeed at this but I do try. So, you can hate on Musk all you want until your heads explode, or you can chill out, and worry about more important things.
I have no problem with Musk as a person. And never had. I do have a problem with the deeds people with enormous power who do bad things. Such as opening the gates to hate speech and misogyny. Such firing people with the "wrong" opinions. And being arrogant about the whole thing. Most of all, as my original post indicates, I am fairly certain that he is destroying his own fortune. And I do find that interesting, to observe. And if I am wrong, it still is interesting.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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Ya, but do they have any programmers left to work on it? :-D
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
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I have no problem with Musk as a person. And never had. I do have a problem with the deeds people with enormous power who do bad things. Such as opening the gates to hate speech and misogyny. Such firing people with the "wrong" opinions. And being arrogant about the whole thing. Most of all, as my original post indicates, I am fairly certain that he is destroying his own fortune. And I do find that interesting, to observe. And if I am wrong, it still is interesting.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
megaadam wrote:
Such as opening the gates to hate speech and misogyny. Such firing people with the "wrong" opinions. And being arrogant about the whole thing.
Those are 3 very interesting sentences all in a row. If you look through the eyes of the 10's of thousands of Twitter accounts "permanently" suspended by the previous regime simply for the mistake of questioning the effectiveness of cloth masks, canceling in-person school or mentioning the contents of a certain person's laptop it takes on a whole different perspective. Just saying...
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It only looks like a "war" to the general public. The fact that the "Twitter app" is now "Musk's app", is a good enough reason to stay away from it. (IMO). If I wanted to use Twitter (and I don't), I'd use a browser. I don't know how many people get that part. And they're confusing free will (ads) and free speech.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
Gerry Schmitz wrote:
The fact that the "Twitter app" is now "Musk's app", is a good enough reason to stay away from it. (IMO).
What has he done that you have this attitude? Space-X, Tesla, Starlink, Boring? I personally think Space-X is elephanting amazing and on that alone I admire the guy. Has he done dickish business moves over the years - yeah. Pretty much de rigueur for the billionaire class. I don't stop using Apple products because Jobs was an ass, I don't stop using Windows because Gates use monopolistic business tactics. What is about this guy that drives everyone crazy? Is it simply his politics? :confused:
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote:
The fact that the "Twitter app" is now "Musk's app", is a good enough reason to stay away from it. (IMO).
What has he done that you have this attitude? Space-X, Tesla, Starlink, Boring? I personally think Space-X is elephanting amazing and on that alone I admire the guy. Has he done dickish business moves over the years - yeah. Pretty much de rigueur for the billionaire class. I don't stop using Apple products because Jobs was an ass, I don't stop using Windows because Gates use monopolistic business tactics. What is about this guy that drives everyone crazy? Is it simply his politics? :confused:
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
DRHuff wrote:
What has he done that you have this attitude? ... Has he done dickish business moves over the years - yeah. Pretty much de rigueur for the billionaire class.
And there you have answered your own question. Why the fuck would we want to be ruled by a**holes? I sure don't.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
both his decision to go forward with the Twitter purchase
He did not want to go through with the purchase. The legal process/Courts were making him honor the contract. He had no choice really. Now, as I have said before, he is sinking the ship, one way or another. Twitter is finished.
Slacker007 wrote:
The legal process/Courts were making him honor the contract
AIUI, there was a clause in the Twitter purchase contract that allowed him to cancel, on payment of a (large) fee. Musk didn't want to go through with the purchase, but also didn't want to pay the cancellation fee. He apparently decided that ownership of Twitter was the lesser of the two evils.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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den2k88 wrote:
Elonny got his gun
If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun ... I suspect that a lot of people don't get it, the real seriousness of it. I rarely find people who has read the book, or even seen the movie. (It really is impossible to make a movie out of that novel, but they did the best out of it: Johnny Got His Gun 1971 - YouTube[^]) Giving the novel my strong recommendations, I must do so with some equally strong warnings: Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black. And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black. (For those who do not know the novel: Johnny is a WW1 soldier, waking up after an attack, discovering that he has no hearing, no eyesight, no limbs, no nothing ... He is completely isolated under all his bandages. Slowly, one of the nurses who happens to know morse, manages to establish contact with Johnny's consciousness, tapping morse code on his skin, with him replying by contractions of the few muscles that he still can control. But the doctors think the nurse is crazy, believing that she can communicate with a vegetable such as Johnny. So she is moved to a different post. ... Not quite a happy ending.)
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Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black.
I had the same with Count of Monte Cristo. People see the movie and think it's an uplifting revenge story. It's not. The full story by Dumas is bleak. I feel it nearly sent me into a depression. It's a story about revenge allright. But in the old-testamental sense: I will not only destroy you, but I will destroy everything in your life: your reputation, your business, your children, your children's children, and when everyone is dead and everything has turned to ashes you will finally know why and weep for the destruction of everything good in your life. I kid you not it affected me really bad and took time to get out of it.
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megaadam wrote:
Such as opening the gates to hate speech and misogyny. Such firing people with the "wrong" opinions. And being arrogant about the whole thing.
Those are 3 very interesting sentences all in a row. If you look through the eyes of the 10's of thousands of Twitter accounts "permanently" suspended by the previous regime simply for the mistake of questioning the effectiveness of cloth masks, canceling in-person school or mentioning the contents of a certain person's laptop it takes on a whole different perspective. Just saying...
At least he drew the line at Alex Jones...
Paul Sanders. If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal. Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
Maybe there's method in this madness after all. A while ago, I've read an article speculating about Musk being overworked. If that's true, then fucking up as much as possible to show everyone that you are in fact overloaded isn't the best coping mechanism, but it is a coping mechanism.
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DRHuff wrote:
What has he done that you have this attitude? ... Has he done dickish business moves over the years - yeah. Pretty much de rigueur for the billionaire class.
And there you have answered your own question. Why the fuck would we want to be ruled by a**holes? I sure don't.
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He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
My take is this is simply hilarious. Watching so-called liberals fall all over themselves predicting the end of civilization because free speech is back is amusing to say the very least. Wait until some sideways talking Lib gets cutoff from Twitter. Liberal heads exploding across the USA in 3.2... BTW, I am NOT a Twitter-er.
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den2k88 wrote:
Elonny got his gun
If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun ... I suspect that a lot of people don't get it, the real seriousness of it. I rarely find people who has read the book, or even seen the movie. (It really is impossible to make a movie out of that novel, but they did the best out of it: Johnny Got His Gun 1971 - YouTube[^]) Giving the novel my strong recommendations, I must do so with some equally strong warnings: Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black. And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black. (For those who do not know the novel: Johnny is a WW1 soldier, waking up after an attack, discovering that he has no hearing, no eyesight, no limbs, no nothing ... He is completely isolated under all his bandages. Slowly, one of the nurses who happens to know morse, manages to establish contact with Johnny's consciousness, tapping morse code on his skin, with him replying by contractions of the few muscles that he still can control. But the doctors think the nurse is crazy, believing that she can communicate with a vegetable such as Johnny. So she is moved to a different post. ... Not quite a happy ending.)
Metallica's One is a near perfect adaptation of the store.
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He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
If both Apple and Twitter go down the world will be a better place. Remember, Apple was the reason the EU forced all device manufacturers to go to USB-C as the single charging standard. Apple also has acted like a monopoly for years when it comes to access to iOS devices; both Microsoft (Windows) and Google (Android) have open environments for developers. However, I wouldn't bet against Elon Musk. I would bet against Apple in this case.
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He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
Interesting... I stand behind Musk fighting Apple. I am sick and tired of the silencing of American Voices. If you don't want the app. Don't download it. But go back and view Apples DEMANDS: - You cannot let people search for COVID/LAB Leak (hmmm. Because it looks like it was TRUTH?) - You cannot... So, when companies get in bed with government and violate the 1st Amendment rights of citizens. That's "fine". I watched in HORROR as all tech companies spoke with ONE Voice. FWIW, the definition of FASCISM is "Government Working with Corporations As one!" And now, ONE major player, has a new owner, and the comments "Muh, Private Company" are as strange to peoples lips... As "My Body, My Choice" being applied to an Experimental Medical Procedure! (NOPE... We don't see any similarities) Unfortunately, most don't. Most WELCOME the FASCISTIC approach of Apple, who gets $ MILLIONS for governments. Personally, the poor protestors in china... Were using AirDrop on their iPhones. But their government Called Apple. And Apple Disabled that feature... For people in that country. JUST BEFORE China rolled the Tanks in... (Coincidence)... Have Popcorn. Will Watch!
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den2k88 wrote:
Elonny got his gun
If this is a reference to what I think it is ... Dalton Trumbo: Johnny Got His Gun ... I suspect that a lot of people don't get it, the real seriousness of it. I rarely find people who has read the book, or even seen the movie. (It really is impossible to make a movie out of that novel, but they did the best out of it: Johnny Got His Gun 1971 - YouTube[^]) Giving the novel my strong recommendations, I must do so with some equally strong warnings: Don't read it if you are even slightly down. It takes a lot of mental strength to handle this story. It is black. And relating Elon to Johnny is really ... I don't know what to say. Cruel. Brutal. Black. (For those who do not know the novel: Johnny is a WW1 soldier, waking up after an attack, discovering that he has no hearing, no eyesight, no limbs, no nothing ... He is completely isolated under all his bandages. Slowly, one of the nurses who happens to know morse, manages to establish contact with Johnny's consciousness, tapping morse code on his skin, with him replying by contractions of the few muscles that he still can control. But the doctors think the nurse is crazy, believing that she can communicate with a vegetable such as Johnny. So she is moved to a different post. ... Not quite a happy ending.)
I saw "Johnny got His Gun" in 1971 at university when it came out... Didn't know about the novel but it was the grimmest anti-war movie I have ever seen. It was also superbly told and acted...
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Slacker007 wrote:
The legal process/Courts were making him honor the contract
AIUI, there was a clause in the Twitter purchase contract that allowed him to cancel, on payment of a (large) fee. Musk didn't want to go through with the purchase, but also didn't want to pay the cancellation fee. He apparently decided that ownership of Twitter was the lesser of the two evils.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
He mus have had very bad lawyers. At 44 billion, his lawyers should have told him not to by this crock of vaporware...
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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He seems quite determined to self-destruct This is more-of-the same, but IMO at a new levels
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
Society is being rubber-necked by Elon's train wreck with mental illness; I can't help but wish him some intervention, seeing him implode does not fill me with joy.
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Ha! If you want an actual rock music reference to "Johnny Got His Gun" look no further than Metallica: One (Official Music Video) - YouTube[^]
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megaadam wrote:
Such as opening the gates to hate speech and misogyny. Such firing people with the "wrong" opinions. And being arrogant about the whole thing.
Those are 3 very interesting sentences all in a row. If you look through the eyes of the 10's of thousands of Twitter accounts "permanently" suspended by the previous regime simply for the mistake of questioning the effectiveness of cloth masks, canceling in-person school or mentioning the contents of a certain person's laptop it takes on a whole different perspective. Just saying...
fgs1963 wrote:
If you look through the eyes of the 10's of thousands of Twitter accounts "permanently" suspended by the previous regime simply for the mistake of questioning
Rather certain that the bans were put into place after they did it repeatedly and ignored the warnings that twitter sent to them. So more of a matter of stupidity, ignorance and/or arrogance. On the user's part.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote:
The fact that the "Twitter app" is now "Musk's app", is a good enough reason to stay away from it. (IMO).
What has he done that you have this attitude? Space-X, Tesla, Starlink, Boring? I personally think Space-X is elephanting amazing and on that alone I admire the guy. Has he done dickish business moves over the years - yeah. Pretty much de rigueur for the billionaire class. I don't stop using Apple products because Jobs was an ass, I don't stop using Windows because Gates use monopolistic business tactics. What is about this guy that drives everyone crazy? Is it simply his politics? :confused:
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
DRHuff wrote:
What is about this guy that drives everyone crazy? Is it simply his politics?
I don't think Gates or Jobs fired dozens of people for using an internal account that was specifically set up to encourage free speech. I don't think Gates or Jobs claimed that they could save children trapped in a cave with rising water using robots. And then insulting the leader of the team that would in fact go on to rescue those children. Now Jobs probably did make promised claims for new products that never showed up. But perhaps not as much. The only 'politics' that I have seen from Musk that matter are his attempts to rationalize his behavior for what is obviously his personal agenda by claiming that it is the fault of others because of their politics.