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  • R raddevus

    I wrote a program that watches the files which are created, updated, deleted, etc on your disk (Read about it here on CP[^]). Wow, that was gratuitous self-promotion and it didn't even feel like it. :laugh: Anyways, I had DiscoFiles running and I noticed that MS Edge directories were accessed. MS Edge Secrets I looked in this MS Edge directory and found its secrets... You can get to it on your system (If you are running Edge) at:

    %localappdata%\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\ZxcvbnData\3.0.0.0

    I mean I'm assuming that last directory will be named ZxcvbnData on yours too?? Copy-Paste to your FileExplorer and it'll get you there. You can see that there[^]. It's a list of files named:

    english_wikipedia.txt
    female_names.txt
    male_names.txt
    manifest.fingerprint
    manifest.json
    passwords.txt
    surnames.txt
    us_tv_and_film.txt

    What!?! Well, passwords is a lot of fun. Check it out. FYI - the passwords file is 30,000 lines long (30,000 common / bad passwords)

    sunshine
    iloveyou
    f*ckme // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
    ranger
    hockey
    computer
    starwars
    asshole
    pepper
    klaster
    112233
    zxcvbn // why are these letters so common?? !!
    freedom
    princess
    maggie
    pass
    ginger
    11111111
    131313
    f*ck // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
    love
    cheese
    159753
    summer
    chelsea
    dallas
    biteme
    matrix
    yankees
    6969
    corvette
    austin

    Edit Update Here are the contents of the manifest.json file:

    {
    "description": "zxcvbn data component",
    "name": "zxcvbnData",
    "version": "3.0.0.0"
    }

    I think that pretty much explains it. :~ :rolleyes:

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    OriginalGriff
    wrote on last edited by
    #6

    I'm not very impressed with male_names.txt - it's not even close to complete. OriginalGriff isn't even in there!

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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    • R raddevus

      I wrote a program that watches the files which are created, updated, deleted, etc on your disk (Read about it here on CP[^]). Wow, that was gratuitous self-promotion and it didn't even feel like it. :laugh: Anyways, I had DiscoFiles running and I noticed that MS Edge directories were accessed. MS Edge Secrets I looked in this MS Edge directory and found its secrets... You can get to it on your system (If you are running Edge) at:

      %localappdata%\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\ZxcvbnData\3.0.0.0

      I mean I'm assuming that last directory will be named ZxcvbnData on yours too?? Copy-Paste to your FileExplorer and it'll get you there. You can see that there[^]. It's a list of files named:

      english_wikipedia.txt
      female_names.txt
      male_names.txt
      manifest.fingerprint
      manifest.json
      passwords.txt
      surnames.txt
      us_tv_and_film.txt

      What!?! Well, passwords is a lot of fun. Check it out. FYI - the passwords file is 30,000 lines long (30,000 common / bad passwords)

      sunshine
      iloveyou
      f*ckme // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
      ranger
      hockey
      computer
      starwars
      asshole
      pepper
      klaster
      112233
      zxcvbn // why are these letters so common?? !!
      freedom
      princess
      maggie
      pass
      ginger
      11111111
      131313
      f*ck // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
      love
      cheese
      159753
      summer
      chelsea
      dallas
      biteme
      matrix
      yankees
      6969
      corvette
      austin

      Edit Update Here are the contents of the manifest.json file:

      {
      "description": "zxcvbn data component",
      "name": "zxcvbnData",
      "version": "3.0.0.0"
      }

      I think that pretty much explains it. :~ :rolleyes:

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      dandy72
      wrote on last edited by
      #7

      raddevus wrote:

      zxcvbn // why are these letters so common?? !!

      Because someone thought that, essentially, using qwerty+1 was being smart.

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      • R raddevus

        I wrote a program that watches the files which are created, updated, deleted, etc on your disk (Read about it here on CP[^]). Wow, that was gratuitous self-promotion and it didn't even feel like it. :laugh: Anyways, I had DiscoFiles running and I noticed that MS Edge directories were accessed. MS Edge Secrets I looked in this MS Edge directory and found its secrets... You can get to it on your system (If you are running Edge) at:

        %localappdata%\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\ZxcvbnData\3.0.0.0

        I mean I'm assuming that last directory will be named ZxcvbnData on yours too?? Copy-Paste to your FileExplorer and it'll get you there. You can see that there[^]. It's a list of files named:

        english_wikipedia.txt
        female_names.txt
        male_names.txt
        manifest.fingerprint
        manifest.json
        passwords.txt
        surnames.txt
        us_tv_and_film.txt

        What!?! Well, passwords is a lot of fun. Check it out. FYI - the passwords file is 30,000 lines long (30,000 common / bad passwords)

        sunshine
        iloveyou
        f*ckme // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
        ranger
        hockey
        computer
        starwars
        asshole
        pepper
        klaster
        112233
        zxcvbn // why are these letters so common?? !!
        freedom
        princess
        maggie
        pass
        ginger
        11111111
        131313
        f*ck // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
        love
        cheese
        159753
        summer
        chelsea
        dallas
        biteme
        matrix
        yankees
        6969
        corvette
        austin

        Edit Update Here are the contents of the manifest.json file:

        {
        "description": "zxcvbn data component",
        "name": "zxcvbnData",
        "version": "3.0.0.0"
        }

        I think that pretty much explains it. :~ :rolleyes:

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        jeron1
        wrote on last edited by
        #8

        There's 30000 entries in mine! :wtf: The sublist that contains the word f**k is pretty extensive. :laugh:

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          I'm not very impressed with male_names.txt - it's not even close to complete. OriginalGriff isn't even in there!

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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          raddevus
          wrote on last edited by
          #9

          But, your given name is in there, right? Mine is. Also, I was reading down through the list of passwords.txt and I started cracking up. How are some of these "common"? People need their minds washed out!! :laugh:

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          • J jeron1

            There's 30000 entries in mine! :wtf: The sublist that contains the word f**k is pretty extensive. :laugh:

            "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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            raddevus
            wrote on last edited by
            #10

            jeron1 wrote:

            There's 30000 entries in mine!

            I know. And some of the common (and filthy) ones are shocking. Shocking that many "12yr old boy" minds think of such stupid things. :laugh: Do not search thru them with the text "lick"! Troll....all you guys are doing that now. :laugh:

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            • R raddevus

              What do you think about the surnames.txt? My surname is not in the list so I guess I'm safe. :) Seriously, though, are last names used in some type of hack? Well, i guess everything is, but didn't know surnames had some kind of special thing associated with them.

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              #11

              I first learned of the list in VMS because a manager where I was working at the time (1990) wanted to set his password to "ORANGE". :sigh: At a later job, I extracted the four- and five-letter words, cleansed the result, and used them to form pairs to be used as passwords. A precedent had been set to make passwords such as HOUSE$BOAT, and I wanted to automate/randomize it. As a note to the newbs, passwords in OpenVMS (and other proper operating systems) are not case-sensitive because not all terminals support lower-case.

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                I first learned of the list in VMS because a manager where I was working at the time (1990) wanted to set his password to "ORANGE". :sigh: At a later job, I extracted the four- and five-letter words, cleansed the result, and used them to form pairs to be used as passwords. A precedent had been set to make passwords such as HOUSE$BOAT, and I wanted to automate/randomize it. As a note to the newbs, passwords in OpenVMS (and other proper operating systems) are not case-sensitive because not all terminals support lower-case.

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                raddevus
                wrote on last edited by
                #12

                Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                As a note to the newbs, passwords in OpenVMS (and other proper operating systems) are not case-sensitive

                Did not know. I'm a newb.

                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                not all terminals support lower-case.

                Sounds like an Apple ][ :-D

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                • R raddevus

                  I wrote a program that watches the files which are created, updated, deleted, etc on your disk (Read about it here on CP[^]). Wow, that was gratuitous self-promotion and it didn't even feel like it. :laugh: Anyways, I had DiscoFiles running and I noticed that MS Edge directories were accessed. MS Edge Secrets I looked in this MS Edge directory and found its secrets... You can get to it on your system (If you are running Edge) at:

                  %localappdata%\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\ZxcvbnData\3.0.0.0

                  I mean I'm assuming that last directory will be named ZxcvbnData on yours too?? Copy-Paste to your FileExplorer and it'll get you there. You can see that there[^]. It's a list of files named:

                  english_wikipedia.txt
                  female_names.txt
                  male_names.txt
                  manifest.fingerprint
                  manifest.json
                  passwords.txt
                  surnames.txt
                  us_tv_and_film.txt

                  What!?! Well, passwords is a lot of fun. Check it out. FYI - the passwords file is 30,000 lines long (30,000 common / bad passwords)

                  sunshine
                  iloveyou
                  f*ckme // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
                  ranger
                  hockey
                  computer
                  starwars
                  asshole
                  pepper
                  klaster
                  112233
                  zxcvbn // why are these letters so common?? !!
                  freedom
                  princess
                  maggie
                  pass
                  ginger
                  11111111
                  131313
                  f*ck // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
                  love
                  cheese
                  159753
                  summer
                  chelsea
                  dallas
                  biteme
                  matrix
                  yankees
                  6969
                  corvette
                  austin

                  Edit Update Here are the contents of the manifest.json file:

                  {
                  "description": "zxcvbn data component",
                  "name": "zxcvbnData",
                  "version": "3.0.0.0"
                  }

                  I think that pretty much explains it. :~ :rolleyes:

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                  theoldfool
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #13

                  Do I use Microsoft Edge? No.

                  >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                  • T theoldfool

                    Do I use Microsoft Edge? No.

                    >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                    raddevus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #14

                    I actually use FireFox & Brave and I'm almost as completely agnostic to browsers these days. I discovered this when i was running on a work win10 VM which requires us to use MS Edge. I'm basically agnostic to OSes too, since I run Ubuntu 22.04 desktop to connect to work VMs (win10) and I KVM switch to my MacOS Mac Mini M1. :)

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                    • T theoldfool

                      Do I use Microsoft Edge? No.

                      >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                      OriginalGriff
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #15

                      For some reason I have to, to view MS documentation on my desktop - the site doesn't work in Chrome (but it works fine on my Surface). Probably a config issue, but gawd knows where ...

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                      • R raddevus

                        I actually use FireFox & Brave and I'm almost as completely agnostic to browsers these days. I discovered this when i was running on a work win10 VM which requires us to use MS Edge. I'm basically agnostic to OSes too, since I run Ubuntu 22.04 desktop to connect to work VMs (win10) and I KVM switch to my MacOS Mac Mini M1. :)

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                        theoldfool
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                        #16

                        I think most of use whatever we got used to, I have used Brave (on my Debian system) and sometimes Vivaldi. I lied somewhat, I have to use Edge when I connect (VPN) to the client;s systems, that is what they have. Herself uses Safari on her MBP. Not aware that it is a browser, it is gmail.

                        >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Quote:

                          zxcvbn // why are these letters so common?? !!

                          Look at your keyboard ... Specifically the lowest row of letters ...

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          Chris Maunder
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #17

                          I have this horrible feeling there's this whole dark and raging qwerty vs zxcvbn thing going on that I'm unaware of.

                          cheers Chris Maunder

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                          • R raddevus

                            I wrote a program that watches the files which are created, updated, deleted, etc on your disk (Read about it here on CP[^]). Wow, that was gratuitous self-promotion and it didn't even feel like it. :laugh: Anyways, I had DiscoFiles running and I noticed that MS Edge directories were accessed. MS Edge Secrets I looked in this MS Edge directory and found its secrets... You can get to it on your system (If you are running Edge) at:

                            %localappdata%\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\ZxcvbnData\3.0.0.0

                            I mean I'm assuming that last directory will be named ZxcvbnData on yours too?? Copy-Paste to your FileExplorer and it'll get you there. You can see that there[^]. It's a list of files named:

                            english_wikipedia.txt
                            female_names.txt
                            male_names.txt
                            manifest.fingerprint
                            manifest.json
                            passwords.txt
                            surnames.txt
                            us_tv_and_film.txt

                            What!?! Well, passwords is a lot of fun. Check it out. FYI - the passwords file is 30,000 lines long (30,000 common / bad passwords)

                            sunshine
                            iloveyou
                            f*ckme // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
                            ranger
                            hockey
                            computer
                            starwars
                            asshole
                            pepper
                            klaster
                            112233
                            zxcvbn // why are these letters so common?? !!
                            freedom
                            princess
                            maggie
                            pass
                            ginger
                            11111111
                            131313
                            f*ck // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
                            love
                            cheese
                            159753
                            summer
                            chelsea
                            dallas
                            biteme
                            matrix
                            yankees
                            6969
                            corvette
                            austin

                            Edit Update Here are the contents of the manifest.json file:

                            {
                            "description": "zxcvbn data component",
                            "name": "zxcvbnData",
                            "version": "3.0.0.0"
                            }

                            I think that pretty much explains it. :~ :rolleyes:

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                            StarNamer work
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #18

                            I remember reading that 123456 is the most common password found in pwned databases. So I suspect that passwords.txt is the top 30,000 in order at the time it was created!

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              Quote:

                              zxcvbn // why are these letters so common?? !!

                              Look at your keyboard ... Specifically the lowest row of letters ...

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                              Richard Deeming
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #19

                              Waiting for some angry ANSI X4.22-1983[^] fan to point out that their bottom row reads zqjkxbmwv. :-D


                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                              • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                Waiting for some angry ANSI X4.22-1983[^] fan to point out that their bottom row reads zqjkxbmwv. :-D


                                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                OriginalGriff
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #20

                                Are there any left? I though that war was over ... :sigh:

                                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  I'm not very impressed with male_names.txt - it's not even close to complete. OriginalGriff isn't even in there!

                                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                  DerekT P
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #21

                                  Yep, over 3700 female names but less than 1000 male. My (middle-eastern, but pretty common) next-door neighbour's isn't in there, nor the leaders of two countries commonly in the news at the moment, nor the designer of the Eiffel tower, nor even a recent US president. And as for surnames: neither part of my double-barrelled name is there, nor my wife's maiden name, nor my daughter-in-law's maiden name, nor that same ex-president. Someone at MS isn't trying very hard. But at least the film texts includes both aaaaaaaaah and that other classic, aaaaaaaaaa (and they spelt it correctly!)

                                  Telegraph marker posts ... nothing to do with IT Phasmid email discussion group ... also nothing to do with IT Beekeeping and honey site ... still nothing to do with IT

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                                  • R raddevus

                                    I wrote a program that watches the files which are created, updated, deleted, etc on your disk (Read about it here on CP[^]). Wow, that was gratuitous self-promotion and it didn't even feel like it. :laugh: Anyways, I had DiscoFiles running and I noticed that MS Edge directories were accessed. MS Edge Secrets I looked in this MS Edge directory and found its secrets... You can get to it on your system (If you are running Edge) at:

                                    %localappdata%\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\ZxcvbnData\3.0.0.0

                                    I mean I'm assuming that last directory will be named ZxcvbnData on yours too?? Copy-Paste to your FileExplorer and it'll get you there. You can see that there[^]. It's a list of files named:

                                    english_wikipedia.txt
                                    female_names.txt
                                    male_names.txt
                                    manifest.fingerprint
                                    manifest.json
                                    passwords.txt
                                    surnames.txt
                                    us_tv_and_film.txt

                                    What!?! Well, passwords is a lot of fun. Check it out. FYI - the passwords file is 30,000 lines long (30,000 common / bad passwords)

                                    sunshine
                                    iloveyou
                                    f*ckme // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
                                    ranger
                                    hockey
                                    computer
                                    starwars
                                    asshole
                                    pepper
                                    klaster
                                    112233
                                    zxcvbn // why are these letters so common?? !!
                                    freedom
                                    princess
                                    maggie
                                    pass
                                    ginger
                                    11111111
                                    131313
                                    f*ck // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
                                    love
                                    cheese
                                    159753
                                    summer
                                    chelsea
                                    dallas
                                    biteme
                                    matrix
                                    yankees
                                    6969
                                    corvette
                                    austin

                                    Edit Update Here are the contents of the manifest.json file:

                                    {
                                    "description": "zxcvbn data component",
                                    "name": "zxcvbnData",
                                    "version": "3.0.0.0"
                                    }

                                    I think that pretty much explains it. :~ :rolleyes:

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                                    maze3
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #22

                                    oh no, passwords has mine: geekboy 😥

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                                    • R raddevus

                                      I wrote a program that watches the files which are created, updated, deleted, etc on your disk (Read about it here on CP[^]). Wow, that was gratuitous self-promotion and it didn't even feel like it. :laugh: Anyways, I had DiscoFiles running and I noticed that MS Edge directories were accessed. MS Edge Secrets I looked in this MS Edge directory and found its secrets... You can get to it on your system (If you are running Edge) at:

                                      %localappdata%\Microsoft\Edge\User Data\ZxcvbnData\3.0.0.0

                                      I mean I'm assuming that last directory will be named ZxcvbnData on yours too?? Copy-Paste to your FileExplorer and it'll get you there. You can see that there[^]. It's a list of files named:

                                      english_wikipedia.txt
                                      female_names.txt
                                      male_names.txt
                                      manifest.fingerprint
                                      manifest.json
                                      passwords.txt
                                      surnames.txt
                                      us_tv_and_film.txt

                                      What!?! Well, passwords is a lot of fun. Check it out. FYI - the passwords file is 30,000 lines long (30,000 common / bad passwords)

                                      sunshine
                                      iloveyou
                                      f*ckme // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
                                      ranger
                                      hockey
                                      computer
                                      starwars
                                      asshole
                                      pepper
                                      klaster
                                      112233
                                      zxcvbn // why are these letters so common?? !!
                                      freedom
                                      princess
                                      maggie
                                      pass
                                      ginger
                                      11111111
                                      131313
                                      f*ck // my alteration to protect any kid sisters who are reading
                                      love
                                      cheese
                                      159753
                                      summer
                                      chelsea
                                      dallas
                                      biteme
                                      matrix
                                      yankees
                                      6969
                                      corvette
                                      austin

                                      Edit Update Here are the contents of the manifest.json file:

                                      {
                                      "description": "zxcvbn data component",
                                      "name": "zxcvbnData",
                                      "version": "3.0.0.0"
                                      }

                                      I think that pretty much explains it. :~ :rolleyes:

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                                      jsc42
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #23

                                      What is scary is that these are plain text files. Not even a simple attempt to obfuscate them. If my PC is confiscated and the Police search it for naughty words, they will find them in that directory. What is a relief is that none of my passwords are in the list. Sadly, I'm more common than I thought. Both my forenames are in the top 100 male names and my surname just misses out of its top 100 list. How soon will it be before these name lists are used as the dictionaries for a bad version of Wordle?

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                                      • R raddevus

                                        Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

                                        PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                        As a note to the newbs, passwords in OpenVMS (and other proper operating systems) are not case-sensitive

                                        Did not know. I'm a newb.

                                        PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                        not all terminals support lower-case.

                                        Sounds like an Apple ][ :-D

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                                        CodeZombie62
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                                        I seem to recall using some Hazeltine terminals that didn’t have lowercase back in the early 80’s in college.

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                                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                                          Look at your keyboard ... Specifically the lowest row of letters ...

                                          I am lame for not noticing. I'm a touch-typist too. Should'a known. <forehad slap> :rolleyes:

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                                          BryanFazekas
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                                          Actually, being a touch-typist means you're LESS likely to notice. I type moderately fast (60-80 wpm), but if you ask me where a given key is located, I have to think about it. I've been typing long enough that my fingers do what is necessary without conscious thought.

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