Are you a professional programmer?
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
yes; Since graduating from the amateur ranks, I've been hired by "Programmers On Ice". We will be touring North America in a few weeks to showcase our new mascots, CP Bob, BSD Evil and the Linux Penguin. You should see me doing a double-axel, and a double Lutz, but my spinning is not up to par. ;P
Maximilien Lincourt "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with backup tapes." ("Computer Networks" by Andrew S Tannenbaum )
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[shoves Jorgen in the shoulders] Wanna make something out of it? ;) [draws line in sand] Come on. I dare you to cross that line. ;) Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
And we were just talking about professionalism. :sigh: Don't shoot me- I'm just joining the joke. Vikram.
I believe your most attractive features are your heart and soul, I believe that family is worth more than money or gold. - Affirmation, by Savage Garden. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.
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Real professional, eh? ;P Vikram.
I believe your most attractive features are your heart and soul, I believe that family is worth more than money or gold. - Affirmation, by Savage Garden. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.
Nope, very amateur. I've never received any money for taking my gloves off. Unfortunately. :( -- The coolest game in the world: NHL Hockey[^]
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Ok mister! The gloves are now officially off! THEY ARE OFF! :-D -- The coolest game in the world: NHL Hockey[^]
[drops stick and shakes off gloves] Hockey fights. You gotta love em. :-D Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
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[drops stick and shakes off gloves] Hockey fights. You gotta love em. :-D Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
:-D Speaking of hockey.. Kris Draper wants our major hockey league [swedish] to call him up. Apparently, he wants to play here in case the NHLPA calls for strike next fall. It would be kind of cool if more follows. :) -- The coolest game in the world: NHL Hockey[^]
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[drops stick and shakes off gloves] Hockey fights. You gotta love em. :-D Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
Chris Meech wrote: [drops stick and shakes off gloves] Gotta make sure to pull the jersey over the head. :-D (you ever see that Molson Canadian commerical with that? some the obnoxious guy is making fun of a Canadian in the workplace, so the Canadian just grabs the guy's suit jacket and pulls it over the guy's head... very funny) :laugh: The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
1: Elec Engineering student, so coding is a hobby (most of my classmates freeze up when they hear the words "class" and "object" together) :laugh: 5: All my co-op terms have been for software companies, and I'll most likely get a job in the field. (1 + 5) / 2 = 3. The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
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And we were just talking about professionalism. :sigh: Don't shoot me- I'm just joining the joke. Vikram.
I believe your most attractive features are your heart and soul, I believe that family is worth more than money or gold. - Affirmation, by Savage Garden. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.
Vikram Punathambekar wrote: joining the joke. Third man in. You are going to get a game misconduct for that. And if the benches clear, the commissioner is going to have a long talk with you about anger management. :-D Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
I'm a professional, have been since 1990. So I guess I would vote 5.
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:-D Speaking of hockey.. Kris Draper wants our major hockey league [swedish] to call him up. Apparently, he wants to play here in case the NHLPA calls for strike next fall. It would be kind of cool if more follows. :) -- The coolest game in the world: NHL Hockey[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: NHLPA calls for strike Man I do so hope that doesn't happen. No offence, but Hockey Night in Sweden, just ain't going to cut it for me. The really sad thing is that depending upon who you read/listen to some say the players will strike, and others say the owners are going to lock them out. So it seems that regardless of who is right, we may not have any hockey next fall. :(( :(( Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: NHLPA calls for strike Man I do so hope that doesn't happen. No offence, but Hockey Night in Sweden, just ain't going to cut it for me. The really sad thing is that depending upon who you read/listen to some say the players will strike, and others say the owners are going to lock them out. So it seems that regardless of who is right, we may not have any hockey next fall. :(( :(( Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
Chris Meech wrote: and others say the owners are going to lock them out. Can they lock out free agents? :~ -- The coolest game in the world: NHL Hockey[^]
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: NHLPA calls for strike Man I do so hope that doesn't happen. No offence, but Hockey Night in Sweden, just ain't going to cut it for me. The really sad thing is that depending upon who you read/listen to some say the players will strike, and others say the owners are going to lock them out. So it seems that regardless of who is right, we may not have any hockey next fall. :(( :(( Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
Chris Meech wrote: we may not have any hockey next fall. :eek: How will Canadian orthodontic surgeons make it through the winter? "Your village called -
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Don't know. Used to be: 5 Now: 2 Company got bought out which sells some crappy product written in a language called Magic-- I'm now a computer lacky who copies files from one directory to another for our level 2 support people because the whole 'mouse/keyboard thing' is programmer work... right? My professional life is hell. Don't hate me for it. Anyone hiring? Paul
Magic. The "RAD" tool? Originally from Israel? Ack!! I used to maintain a custom ERP package in that stuff, using a BTrieve DB. They wouldn't even get upgrades after v5.0, which was still all DOS-based. now I'm happily flipping bits in assembly. :sigh:
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
BW
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Chris Meech wrote: [drops stick and shakes off gloves] Gotta make sure to pull the jersey over the head. :-D (you ever see that Molson Canadian commerical with that? some the obnoxious guy is making fun of a Canadian in the workplace, so the Canadian just grabs the guy's suit jacket and pulls it over the guy's head... very funny) :laugh: The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]
Those were pretty funny commercials. Hope for some more this year. :-D Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
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Chris Meech wrote: we may not have any hockey next fall. :eek: How will Canadian orthodontic surgeons make it through the winter? "Your village called -
They're missing their idiot."Roger Wright wrote: How will Canadian orthodontic surgeons make it through the winter? :laugh::laugh::laugh: We're going to give them the winter off. We'll probably ship the whole lot of them off to Arizona or New Mexico with all the other snow birds. Betcha can't wait. Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
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Paul Oss wrote: crappy product written in a language called Magic I've just spent the last year re-writing a Magic app and converting it to a Windows app... Fortunately, I didn't have to actually get involved in any of the Magic code - I just wrote a completely new app by listening to the users complaints and the sort of work they needed to perform. I would often hear things like this: "How many xyz's will we be able to store? Magic only let us have 3, so we use the comments field to store really important data". X| My response was usually something like this: "As many as you like. There is no limit." (You gotta love relational databases ;) ) Anyway, I feel your pain, but here's some (possibly) good news... If you live anywhere near the Central Valley (California) and you know anything about Magic, then there's a position opening up. Friday is my last day. :cool:
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Magic. The "RAD" tool? Originally from Israel? Ack!! I used to maintain a custom ERP package in that stuff, using a BTrieve DB. They wouldn't even get upgrades after v5.0, which was still all DOS-based. now I'm happily flipping bits in assembly. :sigh:
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
BW
brianwelsch wrote: Magic. The "RAD" tool? Originally from Israel? Oh yes, it's RAD, alright. It's a programming 'language' boasting '13 commands' in the entire language- easy to use, a trained monkey could do it... or some such marketing hype. From my observation, it's slower than Java, more bloated than, well, something very bloated, is 'platform independent' so the products that I've seen are highly non standard in interface and intuition. Its multithreading support is either non-existent or our 'magic' programmers don't implement it (cancel's during long jobs either never get processed, or get processed minutes after the button's been hit). It's one of those technologies that I actually don't want to get near for fear it might pass on some disease that will be very hard to get rid of. Paul
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Wow I thought Magic was dead... It was great in 1991... I had never seen something so easy to use but then Access came along...
BadJerry wrote: Wow I thought Magic was dead... It was great in 1991... I had never seen something so easy to use but then Access came along... Sadly, it's still alive and well- especially in the Hospital software area. I run into a large amount of Hospitals which have some behemoth product written in Magic. Paul
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brianwelsch wrote: Magic. The "RAD" tool? Originally from Israel? Oh yes, it's RAD, alright. It's a programming 'language' boasting '13 commands' in the entire language- easy to use, a trained monkey could do it... or some such marketing hype. From my observation, it's slower than Java, more bloated than, well, something very bloated, is 'platform independent' so the products that I've seen are highly non standard in interface and intuition. Its multithreading support is either non-existent or our 'magic' programmers don't implement it (cancel's during long jobs either never get processed, or get processed minutes after the button's been hit). It's one of those technologies that I actually don't want to get near for fear it might pass on some disease that will be very hard to get rid of. Paul
Paul Oss wrote: It's a programming 'language' boasting '13 commands' in the entire language yes, yes, that's the one. We ran a manufacturing plant with that stuff. Sure don't miss that at all. I seem to remember the propaganda reading something about being a 5GL. :~
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
BW
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BadJerry wrote: Wow I thought Magic was dead... It was great in 1991... I had never seen something so easy to use but then Access came along... Sadly, it's still alive and well- especially in the Hospital software area. I run into a large amount of Hospitals which have some behemoth product written in Magic. Paul
Paul Oss wrote: I run into a large amount of Hospitals which have some behemoth product written in Magic. Yep - Magic and MUMPS. Both are pretty sad. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare