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Paul Oss wrote: crappy product written in a language called Magic I've just spent the last year re-writing a Magic app and converting it to a Windows app... Fortunately, I didn't have to actually get involved in any of the Magic code - I just wrote a completely new app by listening to the users complaints and the sort of work they needed to perform. I would often hear things like this: "How many xyz's will we be able to store? Magic only let us have 3, so we use the comments field to store really important data". X| My response was usually something like this: "As many as you like. There is no limit." (You gotta love relational databases ;) ) Anyway, I feel your pain, but here's some (possibly) good news... If you live anywhere near the Central Valley (California) and you know anything about Magic, then there's a position opening up. Friday is my last day. :cool:
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Magic. The "RAD" tool? Originally from Israel? Ack!! I used to maintain a custom ERP package in that stuff, using a BTrieve DB. They wouldn't even get upgrades after v5.0, which was still all DOS-based. now I'm happily flipping bits in assembly. :sigh:
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
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brianwelsch wrote: Magic. The "RAD" tool? Originally from Israel? Oh yes, it's RAD, alright. It's a programming 'language' boasting '13 commands' in the entire language- easy to use, a trained monkey could do it... or some such marketing hype. From my observation, it's slower than Java, more bloated than, well, something very bloated, is 'platform independent' so the products that I've seen are highly non standard in interface and intuition. Its multithreading support is either non-existent or our 'magic' programmers don't implement it (cancel's during long jobs either never get processed, or get processed minutes after the button's been hit). It's one of those technologies that I actually don't want to get near for fear it might pass on some disease that will be very hard to get rid of. Paul
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Wow I thought Magic was dead... It was great in 1991... I had never seen something so easy to use but then Access came along...
BadJerry wrote: Wow I thought Magic was dead... It was great in 1991... I had never seen something so easy to use but then Access came along... Sadly, it's still alive and well- especially in the Hospital software area. I run into a large amount of Hospitals which have some behemoth product written in Magic. Paul
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brianwelsch wrote: Magic. The "RAD" tool? Originally from Israel? Oh yes, it's RAD, alright. It's a programming 'language' boasting '13 commands' in the entire language- easy to use, a trained monkey could do it... or some such marketing hype. From my observation, it's slower than Java, more bloated than, well, something very bloated, is 'platform independent' so the products that I've seen are highly non standard in interface and intuition. Its multithreading support is either non-existent or our 'magic' programmers don't implement it (cancel's during long jobs either never get processed, or get processed minutes after the button's been hit). It's one of those technologies that I actually don't want to get near for fear it might pass on some disease that will be very hard to get rid of. Paul
Paul Oss wrote: It's a programming 'language' boasting '13 commands' in the entire language yes, yes, that's the one. We ran a manufacturing plant with that stuff. Sure don't miss that at all. I seem to remember the propaganda reading something about being a 5GL. :~
"The beat goes on.. da-da-dum dadum dum"
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BadJerry wrote: Wow I thought Magic was dead... It was great in 1991... I had never seen something so easy to use but then Access came along... Sadly, it's still alive and well- especially in the Hospital software area. I run into a large amount of Hospitals which have some behemoth product written in Magic. Paul
Paul Oss wrote: I run into a large amount of Hospitals which have some behemoth product written in Magic. Yep - Magic and MUMPS. Both are pretty sad. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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Chris Meech wrote: we may not have any hockey next fall. :eek: How will Canadian orthodontic surgeons make it through the winter? "Your village called -
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1. From amount of messages majority of guys are investing in here: None of the above :-D "...Ability to type is not enough to become a Programmer. Unless you type in VB. But then again you have to type really fast..." Me
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Roger Wright wrote: How will Canadian orthodontic surgeons make it through the winter? :laugh::laugh::laugh: We're going to give them the winter off. We'll probably ship the whole lot of them off to Arizona or New Mexico with all the other snow birds. Betcha can't wait. Chris Meech It's much easier to get rich telling people what they want to hear. Chistopher Duncan But for a man, barbecuing eggplant and portobello mushrooms is a sure way to have people question your sexual orientation. Kuro5hin
Chris Meech wrote: Betcha can't wait. X| Thanks, loads... [Roger hides car keys and resolves to take the bus...] "Your village called -
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
You get a 3 from me. It's something that started as a hobby/interest which I discovered I can make money at. Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
I guess I have to say 4. Been coding for money since 93. As the years have gone on I have spent less time coding for a hobby and more time coding for work. It's to the point now, that I spend so much time working that I don't care to work with a pc when I don't have to. Luckily, I find my work fun and enjoyable, but I don't want to do it 24 hours a day anymore. A wife and kid will do that to you.
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You get a 3 from me. It's something that started as a hobby/interest which I discovered I can make money at. Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Marc Clifton wrote: It's something that started as a hobby/interest which I discovered I can make money at. Same here, but I have been programming full-time for a lot of years. Hmmm, but I still end up coding for fun/my self very often ;) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" nsms@spyf.dk <- Spam Collecting ;)
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Ok mister! The gloves are now officially off! THEY ARE OFF! :-D -- The coolest game in the world: NHL Hockey[^]
Handbags at 20 paces :laugh: The tigress is here :-D
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Marc Clifton wrote: It's something that started as a hobby/interest which I discovered I can make money at. Same here, but I have been programming full-time for a lot of years. Hmmm, but I still end up coding for fun/my self very often ;) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" nsms@spyf.dk <- Spam Collecting ;)
Anders Molin wrote: Same here, but I have been programming full-time for a lot of years. he he. I've been doing this for 23 years. Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
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Anders Molin wrote: Same here, but I have been programming full-time for a lot of years. he he. I've been doing this for 23 years. Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Yeah, but I'm still young :P - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!" nsms@spyf.dk <- Spam Collecting ;)
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You get a 3 from me. It's something that started as a hobby/interest which I discovered I can make money at. Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
Marc Clifton wrote: You get a 3 from me. :doh: This is like trying to herd cats!;) What part of "vote 5 if you make a living programming or vote 1 if you don't" was unclear?;P So much for the stats, I guess about the only thing we can tell is that more people than not make their living programming.
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I guess I have to say 4. Been coding for money since 93. As the years have gone on I have spent less time coding for a hobby and more time coding for work. It's to the point now, that I spend so much time working that I don't care to work with a pc when I don't have to. Luckily, I find my work fun and enjoyable, but I don't want to do it 24 hours a day anymore. A wife and kid will do that to you.
So what part of four boils down to the two choices that you either (5) make a living programming or (1) you don't? :-D If you don't make a living programming that would be a 1, if you do then that would be a 5. A 4 would be a reply to some other poll involving fuzzy logic or something.;) (So much for polls, I'm going back to work!):sigh:
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Marc Clifton wrote: You get a 3 from me. :doh: This is like trying to herd cats!;) What part of "vote 5 if you make a living programming or vote 1 if you don't" was unclear?;P So much for the stats, I guess about the only thing we can tell is that more people than not make their living programming.
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I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!John Cardinal wrote: What part of "vote 5 if you make a living programming or vote 1 if you don't" was unclear he he. I guess since my answer was "both", I went for the middle of the road, which is pretty unusual in itself. Marc Latest AAL Article My blog Join my forum!
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I'm curious about this from the point of view of recent comments on open source, offshore development, "M$", professionalism etc. If your skills as (primarily) a programmer are putting a roof over your head and food in your belly vote 5, if it's a hobby / course of study / pastime etc vote 1.
I support two teams: the Canucks and whoever is playing the Leafs!
I do it for money, but also for love. :love:
"We have done so much in the last 2 years, and it doesn't happen by standing around with your finger in your ear, hoping everyone thinks that that's nice." - Donald Rumsfeld
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So what part of four boils down to the two choices that you either (5) make a living programming or (1) you don't? :-D If you don't make a living programming that would be a 1, if you do then that would be a 5. A 4 would be a reply to some other poll involving fuzzy logic or something.;) (So much for polls, I'm going back to work!):sigh:
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Chris Meech wrote: and others say the owners are going to lock them out. Can they lock out free agents? :~ -- The coolest game in the world: NHL Hockey[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Can they lock out free agents? I don't think so..... but many of the players who have re-signed recently have contracts that end after this season, for the sole reason that they can go play somewhere else. You just know when Forsberg, Naslund, and Sundin return to Sweden, they'll be some DAMN good hockey going on (and since the timezones don't work, I won't get to see any of it. :((:((:(() And no, you don't want Kris Draper (evil redwings... evil :mad:). The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices. [Roger Wright on stupid people] We're like private member functions [John Theal on R&D] We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know... [Nitron]