MS Security Updates on CD
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Hey, I only expect Microsoft to provide it for windows. The other guys can still charge all they want for their Linux and Mac versions. :(( -Andy Brummer
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andy brummer wrote: I also think MS should provide free anti-virus software with live updates as a free service as well. Oh that's smart. Let's kill all the anti virus companies. :mad: -- Meine Welt ist monoton und minimal, doch ganz total!
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May I ask why? (Since your sincerity is almost maxed out, I figure you're not sarcastic) -- Meine Welt ist monoton und minimal, doch ganz total!
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May I ask why? (Since your sincerity is almost maxed out, I figure you're not sarcastic) -- Meine Welt ist monoton und minimal, doch ganz total!
Because of the spam-marketting practises most now take part in, because I've have to fix too many PCs completely screwed up by them, and because far too many problems are caused by having them running (so much software nowadays starts by telling you to disable anti-virus software). It only makes the average user believe they are safe and act less carefully - a properly cared for system should not need anti-virus protection.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Putting the laughter back into slaughter
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"This CD includes Microsoft critical updates released through October 2003" oh well, better than nothin.:) Later, JoeSox "One must be a wise reader to quote wisely and well." - Amos Bronson Alcott joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: better than nothin It should knock off about 26 hours of download time for most users I know.:-D Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true... -
That is especially troubling since it appears that nothing has come of it so far as far as Microsoft products are concerned. I personally keep my systems clean using a free anti-virus product. I do think it is obscene that regular users like my parents need to spend more on software to protect their systems then the software that they use on their systems. All they need is email and web browsing that is cheap easy to use. I just think that security including utilities to detect and cleanup viruses should be part of any OS. -Andy Brummer
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JoeSox wrote: better than nothin It should knock off about 26 hours of download time for most users I know.:-D Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true...Roger Wright wrote: about 26 hours of download time Uh huh. I have 3 MBps cable but I'd still prefer to patch from CD :) Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003
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JoeSox wrote: better than nothin It should knock off about 26 hours of download time for most users I know.:-D Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true...Hey Roger, Are you no longer sonorking ? Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
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Hey Roger, Are you no longer sonorking ? Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Only when I go hunting for you. I still haven't figured out how to fix my PC after the last crash, so it's running in crippled mode right now. Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
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Roger Wright wrote: about 26 hours of download time Uh huh. I have 3 MBps cable but I'd still prefer to patch from CD :) Rob Manderson **Paul Watson wrote:**What sense would you most dislike loosing? Ian Darling replied. Telepathy Then I'd no longer be able to find out everyones dirty little secrets The Lounge, December 4 2003
Yup yup. I'm thinking how handy that's going to be when I visit customers who don't have a clue what an update is. I can bring them more or less up to date in minutes, instead of hours, and with any luck I'll be able to selectively install fixes to minimize the number of crashes they create. Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
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I think it is worth it for their reputation. I also think MS should provide free anti-virus software with live updates as a free service as well. The costs of a 3 year subscription to Norton or McAfee just about cost more then the OS. -Andy Brummer
They did a deal with Computer Associates so you can get a personal firewall (think Zone Alarm) and anti-virus free for a year. Go here. Pick your OS, pick "use detailed steps", get to step 3 and notice you can get anti-virus from Computer Associates 12 months for free. If you're in a non-commercial environment and want anti-virus longer than 12 months, I recommend this one.
I, for one, do not think the problem was that the band was down. I think that the problem may have been that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf.
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I think it is worth it for their reputation. I also think MS should provide free anti-virus software with live updates as a free service as well. The costs of a 3 year subscription to Norton or McAfee just about cost more then the OS. -Andy Brummer
oh, another case for misuse of market dominance.
"When death smiles at you, only thing you can do is smile back at it" - Russel Crowe (Gladiator)
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Only when I go hunting for you. I still haven't figured out how to fix my PC after the last crash, so it's running in crippled mode right now. Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true...Roger Wright wrote: Only when I go hunting for you. :-) Roger Wright wrote: I still haven't figured out how to fix my PC after the last crash, so it's running in crippled mode right now. What help can I offer to get you back to being a non cripple ? What are the current symptom? With the number of CPian friends you have here we should be able to solve it. Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
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Roger Wright wrote: Only when I go hunting for you. :-) Roger Wright wrote: I still haven't figured out how to fix my PC after the last crash, so it's running in crippled mode right now. What help can I offer to get you back to being a non cripple ? What are the current symptom? With the number of CPian friends you have here we should be able to solve it. Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Probably nothing will help, but I'm still thinking about it. It told me at startup that it can no longer open the AD database, and it couldn't locate security identifiers. It refused to let me log on - the admin logon was no longer valid. So now it runs in Safe Mode only, and many processes no longer start. Active Directory has ceased running, the DNS system no longer has any entries in it, and it has "unjoined" its own domain and refuses to play domain controller anymore. This from a cold start after a normal shutdown over a weekend. Go figure... :confused: The firewall is still running, nothing unnatural is being logged in IIS, and antivirus software still works (though it has ceased autoupdating every day). One nice discovery about Win2K Server is that it functions normally in Safe Mode as a workstation - unlike any previous version.:rolleyes: I'll probably have to reinstall everything to restore it, but it's going to take weeks to capture stuff I need that will be wiped out. I'm gradually locating all the service packs, install modules, registration codes and such that I'll need to rebuild it and putting them all on another drive for future use. It's still going to be a mess of work, but preparation will minimize that. I don't dare restart again, for fear that this hiatus is really only a fluke, until I have everything ready to rebuild it.:sigh: Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
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Is that worth for MS? Totaly free. :~ Mazy You're face to face, With the man who sold the world - David Bowie
If AOL can do it why wouldn't Microsoft be able to pull it off? Signature under construction.
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Probably nothing will help, but I'm still thinking about it. It told me at startup that it can no longer open the AD database, and it couldn't locate security identifiers. It refused to let me log on - the admin logon was no longer valid. So now it runs in Safe Mode only, and many processes no longer start. Active Directory has ceased running, the DNS system no longer has any entries in it, and it has "unjoined" its own domain and refuses to play domain controller anymore. This from a cold start after a normal shutdown over a weekend. Go figure... :confused: The firewall is still running, nothing unnatural is being logged in IIS, and antivirus software still works (though it has ceased autoupdating every day). One nice discovery about Win2K Server is that it functions normally in Safe Mode as a workstation - unlike any previous version.:rolleyes: I'll probably have to reinstall everything to restore it, but it's going to take weeks to capture stuff I need that will be wiped out. I'm gradually locating all the service packs, install modules, registration codes and such that I'll need to rebuild it and putting them all on another drive for future use. It's still going to be a mess of work, but preparation will minimize that. I don't dare restart again, for fear that this hiatus is really only a fluke, until I have everything ready to rebuild it.:sigh: Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
you've just lost your turn..." [sigh] So true...I have never understood why you need to run a server, but hey wtf do I know. My gripe is with Winbdows Paks is that they seem to try to protect themselves always from their own physical location. Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
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I have never understood why you need to run a server, but hey wtf do I know. My gripe is with Winbdows Paks is that they seem to try to protect themselves always from their own physical location. Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
At the time I built this PC, I was still employed. They required me to build a WinNT network for them, but refused to provide any training or tools, and constantly harrangued me about the 'features' I never could make work. At the time, they were considering migrating to Win2K, and I knew they would pull the same crap on me again - requiring me to pull a technological hat out of a rabbit with no tools or knowledge to work with. So I decided then to buy the server edition instead of the pro version, and attempt to learn on my own before being required by idiots to be an instant expert without benefit of any kind of support. It didn't work out - they laid me off and dissolved my position, instead. Last I heard, they no longer could even email between offices...:-D Heard in Bullhead City - "You haven't lost your girl -
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I think it is worth it for their reputation. I also think MS should provide free anti-virus software with live updates as a free service as well. The costs of a 3 year subscription to Norton or McAfee just about cost more then the OS. -Andy Brummer
There is a good political reason why MS never did that (anti-virus embedded with the OS). You know that anti-virus updates are sent to you every other day or so, this would have hurt the image of a software supplier, and would have made MS smell like a spammer. At some point, I believe people would consider alternatives to MS, at least more than they do these days.
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Uhm.. and how big is the market for antivirus programs on the Mac and Linux? :) -- Meine Welt ist monoton und minimal, doch ganz total!
> and how big is the market for antivirus programs on the Mac and > Linux? You can't deny the Linux market is growing, right? As an anti-virus maker, when would you want to get involved? When the market is growing, and be the first one on the block providing a solution, or when it's already saturated by competitors? I dunno, I'm just a dumb coder. All I know is that if I was to start writing antivirus software, the Linux market would be a lot more attractive right now than the Windows market.