Gasoline prices
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Mike Puddephat wrote: dissuade people from using cars That really bugs me. :mad: The government treats all car users the same regardless of the availability of public transport in their area. I live in a smallish town where, if I didn't have a car, it would take at least 2 1/2 hours to get to work and require taking 2 trains and a bus. If I had a better memory I would remember more.
Suzanne Boyle wrote: if I didn't have a car, it would take at least 2 1/2 hours to get to work and require taking 2 trains and a bus U mean London ;P pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
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I would love to have an electric car powered on lithium batteries. I saw one on TechTV a while back. They guys put it together by using something like 6,800 laptop batteries and it could be charged by plugging into your 110 power outlet. That sure would be handy ;) Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com
The efficiency of pure electric vehicles isn't that great. In fact, it is only marginally better than gasoline. And it might actually be less efficient than a hybrid engine, although I'm not sure about that. Remember, that electricity had to be generated somewhere. The generation and transmission process isn't that efficient. Fuel cells are the way to go. Unfortunately, they too require oil based fuels.* *That isn't necessarily true. They really only require hydrogen, but it can take more energy to extract hydrogen from a substance than what you get in return. It is relatively inexpensive to extract hydrogen from oil based fuels and the infrastructure is already in place.
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I read yesterday that Europe pays almost 3x what we pay here in the US for a gallon of gasoline. Why? Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
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To help settle that part. When I was in California on earlier this year a US Gallon of Gas (petrol) was about $2.10 - $2.20. A US Gallon = 3.785 litres. All petrol prices in the UK are in litres. 1 litre of petrol in Edinburgh was about 79.9p (US$1.46). Which for one US Gallons is US$5.53 So that is 2.6 times more expensive.
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Wow, your petrol are actually more expensive than ours... :confused: We pay about $1.33 per litre (10.48 SEK) here in Sweden. Nice to know that we're not no.1 in taxes for all things. ;P --- "Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest". -- Denis Diderot
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Where I live, 87 octane is $1.88 per gallon, while 93 octane is $2.00 per gallon.
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
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olle wrote: how much do you pay for 1 gallon? (in sweden we pay about 5 dollars) Right now, $2.00 per gallon for premium unleaded. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
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I read yesterday that Europe pays almost 3x what we pay here in the US for a gallon of gasoline. Why? Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
Well, let's see. Here in Germany we currently have to pay 1,19 Euro / US$ 1.44 per liter Super. For 1 US gallon we would have to pay 4,51 Euro or US$ 5.46. 73% of the gasoline price in Germany are taxes. We are told by the oil groups that currently prices are high because the US are buying gasoline on the European market. They say, that the US don't have enough resources and capacities to produce enough unleaded fuel for their own people. They expect prices to stay high over summer. Greetings,
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Well, let's see. Here in Germany we currently have to pay 1,19 Euro / US$ 1.44 per liter Super. For 1 US gallon we would have to pay 4,51 Euro or US$ 5.46. 73% of the gasoline price in Germany are taxes. We are told by the oil groups that currently prices are high because the US are buying gasoline on the European market. They say, that the US don't have enough resources and capacities to produce enough unleaded fuel for their own people. They expect prices to stay high over summer. Greetings,
heinz r. vahlbruch
vahlbruch.net
intelligent software systems
[email] [web]Heinz R. Vahlbruch wrote: We are told by the oil groups that currently prices are high because the US are buying gasoline on the European market. They say, that the US don't have enough resources and capacities to produce enough unleaded fuel for their own people. Yes, in that article I read (can't find the link anymore), it pointed out that the US has 5% of the world's population and consumes 45% of the gasoline produced. Something's got to change. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
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Heinz R. Vahlbruch wrote: We are told by the oil groups that currently prices are high because the US are buying gasoline on the European market. They say, that the US don't have enough resources and capacities to produce enough unleaded fuel for their own people. Yes, in that article I read (can't find the link anymore), it pointed out that the US has 5% of the world's population and consumes 45% of the gasoline produced. Something's got to change. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
Marc Clifton wrote: Something's got to change. it will. there haven't been any significant oil discoveries in decades; and China and India are increasing their consumption as they get richer. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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Heinz R. Vahlbruch wrote: We are told by the oil groups that currently prices are high because the US are buying gasoline on the European market. They say, that the US don't have enough resources and capacities to produce enough unleaded fuel for their own people. Yes, in that article I read (can't find the link anymore), it pointed out that the US has 5% of the world's population and consumes 45% of the gasoline produced. Something's got to change. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
Marc Clifton wrote: Yes, in that article I read (can't find the link anymore), it pointed out that the US has 5% of the world's population and consumes 45% of the gasoline produced. I would like to see that in context. Assuming the numbers are accurate, the other 95% of the population do not all have gasoline-powered cars. The only way to make an accurate comparison would be to compare how many cars we have versus the amount of cars in all. For example, the U.S. has 15% of the world's cars, but uses 45% of the gasoline produced. That *might* reflect that the U.S. is using more than their fair share.
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
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I read yesterday that Europe pays almost 3x what we pay here in the US for a gallon of gasoline. Why? Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
think Toyota Prius! Josef Wainz Software Developer
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Heinz R. Vahlbruch wrote: We are told by the oil groups that currently prices are high because the US are buying gasoline on the European market. They say, that the US don't have enough resources and capacities to produce enough unleaded fuel for their own people. Yes, in that article I read (can't find the link anymore), it pointed out that the US has 5% of the world's population and consumes 45% of the gasoline produced. Something's got to change. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
Marc Clifton wrote: Something's got to change Most people are married to the concept of being able to drive their car. It is "transport democratisation" as I heard it called once. Although I don't drive nearly as much as I used to, I am planning to change to a Toyota Prius for my next car. It is a bit bigger that what I have now, but it gets better fuel economy, and qualifies for a cheaper tax band. [And if I ever go to London, I don't need to pay the congestion charge because it qualifies for excemption] As people start buying these cars the technology will get better and more efficient and hopefully it will be a stepping stone to wean everyone off petrol/deisel based combustion engines.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar Coming soon: The Second EuroCPian Event
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I read yesterday that Europe pays almost 3x what we pay here in the US for a gallon of gasoline. Why? Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
Because Europeans are all Liberals. Tax the hell out of the people who drive the BAD BAD enviroment-endangering vehicles. http://www.knowledgegeek.com - Come on! I need the Traffic!
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The efficiency of pure electric vehicles isn't that great. In fact, it is only marginally better than gasoline. And it might actually be less efficient than a hybrid engine, although I'm not sure about that. Remember, that electricity had to be generated somewhere. The generation and transmission process isn't that efficient. Fuel cells are the way to go. Unfortunately, they too require oil based fuels.* *That isn't necessarily true. They really only require hydrogen, but it can take more energy to extract hydrogen from a substance than what you get in return. It is relatively inexpensive to extract hydrogen from oil based fuels and the infrastructure is already in place.
Brian Gideon wrote: The efficiency of pure electric vehicles isn't that great. In fact, it is only marginally better than gasoline. I guess it depends on what your goal is, if you want non polluting vehicles that do not depend on petroleum based fuels, then a pure electric vehicle would be the most effecient unless we all used sail cars ;) Of course electricy can be generated from wind, solar, hydro, natural gas and even corn. If all cars were electric, oil would be cheaper than water. It would still be used for many things, but the oceans of oil that are still left would last until we began to make our own :) Brian Gideon wrote: And it might actually be less efficient than a hybrid engine, What kind of hybrid are you referring to? If it is a series hybrid, it uses the gas powered motor to power a generator that either powers the electric motor or charge the batteries depending on its condition. Brian Gideon wrote: Fuel cells are the way to go. Unfortunately, they too require oil based fuels.* Actually, you need electricty to produce hydrogen from water. In this model you do not need any petroleum based fuels at any point. Saw something on TechTV today that was cool. It is a invidual car transit system. Lot better than trains and allows a person to go to a target destination when they want to, not when the schedule says they can. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com
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Marc Clifton wrote: Yes, in that article I read (can't find the link anymore), it pointed out that the US has 5% of the world's population and consumes 45% of the gasoline produced. I would like to see that in context. Assuming the numbers are accurate, the other 95% of the population do not all have gasoline-powered cars. The only way to make an accurate comparison would be to compare how many cars we have versus the amount of cars in all. For example, the U.S. has 15% of the world's cars, but uses 45% of the gasoline produced. That *might* reflect that the U.S. is using more than their fair share.
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
DavidCrow wrote: Marc Clifton wrote: Yes, in that article I read (can't find the link anymore), it pointed out that the US has 5% of the world's population and consumes 45% of the gasoline produced. I would like to see that in context. Assuming the numbers are accurate, the other 95% of the population do not all have gasoline-powered cars. [...] But the would like to have one. And at least the Chinese *will* have one in the near future. Then our Oil-Economy will get in serious trouble.
"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganised. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganising: and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation." -- Caius Petronius, Roman Consul, 66 A.D.
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Because Europeans are all Liberals. Tax the hell out of the people who drive the BAD BAD enviroment-endangering vehicles. http://www.knowledgegeek.com - Come on! I need the Traffic!
GISnet wrote: Because Europeans are all Liberals. Yep. And that is OK. It is just your distorted US political system that makes you think 'liberal' something disgusting. Here in Europe, having the choice between two Ultra-Conservative parties would barely qualify as 'democracy'. Ok. This is as far as I will feed the troll on a friday evening (local time).
"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganised. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganising: and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation." -- Caius Petronius, Roman Consul, 66 A.D.
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Brian Gideon wrote: The efficiency of pure electric vehicles isn't that great. In fact, it is only marginally better than gasoline. I guess it depends on what your goal is, if you want non polluting vehicles that do not depend on petroleum based fuels, then a pure electric vehicle would be the most effecient unless we all used sail cars ;) Of course electricy can be generated from wind, solar, hydro, natural gas and even corn. If all cars were electric, oil would be cheaper than water. It would still be used for many things, but the oceans of oil that are still left would last until we began to make our own :) Brian Gideon wrote: And it might actually be less efficient than a hybrid engine, What kind of hybrid are you referring to? If it is a series hybrid, it uses the gas powered motor to power a generator that either powers the electric motor or charge the batteries depending on its condition. Brian Gideon wrote: Fuel cells are the way to go. Unfortunately, they too require oil based fuels.* Actually, you need electricty to produce hydrogen from water. In this model you do not need any petroleum based fuels at any point. Saw something on TechTV today that was cool. It is a invidual car transit system. Lot better than trains and allows a person to go to a target destination when they want to, not when the schedule says they can. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com
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Brian Gideon wrote: The efficiency of pure electric vehicles isn't that great. In fact, it is only marginally better than gasoline. I guess it depends on what your goal is, if you want non polluting vehicles that do not depend on petroleum based fuels, then a pure electric vehicle would be the most effecient unless we all used sail cars ;) Of course electricy can be generated from wind, solar, hydro, natural gas and even corn. If all cars were electric, oil would be cheaper than water. It would still be used for many things, but the oceans of oil that are still left would last until we began to make our own :) Brian Gideon wrote: And it might actually be less efficient than a hybrid engine, What kind of hybrid are you referring to? If it is a series hybrid, it uses the gas powered motor to power a generator that either powers the electric motor or charge the batteries depending on its condition. Brian Gideon wrote: Fuel cells are the way to go. Unfortunately, they too require oil based fuels.* Actually, you need electricty to produce hydrogen from water. In this model you do not need any petroleum based fuels at any point. Saw something on TechTV today that was cool. It is a invidual car transit system. Lot better than trains and allows a person to go to a target destination when they want to, not when the schedule says they can. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com www.GotTheAnswerToSpam.com
Rocky Moore wrote: What kind of hybrid are you referring to? A combustion engine that generates electricity for the batteries and electric motor. Rocky Moore wrote: Actually, you need electricty to produce hydrogen from water. In this model you do not need any petroleum based fuels at any point. Yes, you are exactly right. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of electricity. The only way I see that this would be viable is to use fusion (possibly fission) to generate the electricity. Otherwise, the electricity generation process would be too costly and too dirty. Even if we could efficiently extract hydrogen from water the infrastructure to transport the hydrogen isn't in place. Intersting topic :)
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Sky Web Express Neil Van Eps "Sweet liquor eases the pain" - Lionel Hutz from the Simpsons
Cool! Can you imagine the ads/music that the rider would be inundated with while in the car.
"The pointy end goes in the other man." - Antonio Banderas (Zorro, 1998)
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Rocky Moore wrote: What kind of hybrid are you referring to? A combustion engine that generates electricity for the batteries and electric motor. Rocky Moore wrote: Actually, you need electricty to produce hydrogen from water. In this model you do not need any petroleum based fuels at any point. Yes, you are exactly right. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of electricity. The only way I see that this would be viable is to use fusion (possibly fission) to generate the electricity. Otherwise, the electricity generation process would be too costly and too dirty. Even if we could efficiently extract hydrogen from water the infrastructure to transport the hydrogen isn't in place. Intersting topic :)
Brian Gideon wrote: Yes, you are exactly right. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of electricity. Yep, that is why I would like to see just plan standard electic cars, as there do not require greater amounts of electricity since you are not converting from one form of energy back to another. We really do not need the nucular power though, it seems to create more problems than it cures. There are many means to generate electricity. In addition to or current ones, I know if they spent more time researching the generation of electricty, they would come up with new methods that would be even more effecient. In the last decade or so they have made natural gas generation plants much more effecient (we have several around here ;) ). I thought of one way about two decades ago, but do not know how efficient it would be. One thing that really made me wonder was the force surface tension, you know, like how much force it takes to push an inflated tire inner tube down under the water at a lake. So, with that thought in mind, I envisioned an underwater generator that would have a large number of floating pods attached to it that would ride on top of the ocean swells causing an up and down pulsating motion. I figured that if those ocean swells can easily toss around large ships there is a lot of power going to waste. Anyway, I think in the future there will be more than our current ways to generate electricity. Just let the government offer $1 billion for a reward for the best new idea and I bet you would see many new ways ;) The sky web thing is great for large cities. If they had electric cars along with the sky web cars our cities would only have to deal with industrial pullution and wood stoves (or other forms of heating). Brian Gideon wrote: Intersting topic Absolutely! It is the future. If it was not for the greed of people in the oil business we probably would have had all this settled decades ago. Imagine if they governments forced half of the vehicles sold to be pure electric cars. And maybe make lanes for electric only cars (use the car pool lanes and make those use the normal lanes again). That would give even more insentive! I would love to come home and just plug my car in. I know that the problem current is with batteries, but if they went to lithium, they would work much better. Rocky <>< www.HintsAndTips.com