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There are 14 new posts in the past couple of hours. What the heck are the other 2489 users doing that sucks up so much bandwidth? This is not a complaint, but a matter of curiosity. We were infested with bots a while back, downloading the entire site or parts of it, and that forced Chris to limit downloads to subscribed members. Have those bots returned with valid accounts? Do we need to put a cap on how many downloads an individual user is allowed per day? Would doing so really inconvenience any legitimate users of the site? Would it help, without incurring the cost of more servers and bandwidth? "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
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There are 14 new posts in the past couple of hours. What the heck are the other 2489 users doing that sucks up so much bandwidth? This is not a complaint, but a matter of curiosity. We were infested with bots a while back, downloading the entire site or parts of it, and that forced Chris to limit downloads to subscribed members. Have those bots returned with valid accounts? Do we need to put a cap on how many downloads an individual user is allowed per day? Would doing so really inconvenience any legitimate users of the site? Would it help, without incurring the cost of more servers and bandwidth? "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
Good idea, so long as the forums aren't capped (I'd go nuts if I could post replies in the C# forum...and I'm sure there's those that would go nuts if they couldn't "lounge"!). Of course, a limit on stupid questions in any forum would be a handy - but difficult - feature. :)
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That's exactly what I was thinking. What are all these other guys doing ? Perhaps downloading the entire site like Chris was talking about. If we find them doing that we should kill them. They are stopping us from lounging :) "I believe I referred to her personality as a potential science exhibit." - Elaine, about Ellen, in "The Dog"
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There are 14 new posts in the past couple of hours. What the heck are the other 2489 users doing that sucks up so much bandwidth? This is not a complaint, but a matter of curiosity. We were infested with bots a while back, downloading the entire site or parts of it, and that forced Chris to limit downloads to subscribed members. Have those bots returned with valid accounts? Do we need to put a cap on how many downloads an individual user is allowed per day? Would doing so really inconvenience any legitimate users of the site? Would it help, without incurring the cost of more servers and bandwidth? "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
Can someone explain to me how the 2489 users etc calculated ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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Good idea, so long as the forums aren't capped (I'd go nuts if I could post replies in the C# forum...and I'm sure there's those that would go nuts if they couldn't "lounge"!). Of course, a limit on stupid questions in any forum would be a handy - but difficult - feature. :)
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Text posts don't consume much bandwidth in either direction. I don't see any reason to limit them at all. But if people are using automated tools to suck the site dry at regular intervals, that imposes a huge load. I don't think it would be all that hard to write a program or script to add an intitial logon to a bot program, and just wonder if that's what has been going on. If it is, then a cap of downloading, say, 6 articles' project files per day probably would not inconvenience anyone who is seriously using this site. But it would block huge transfers that could have a serious impact in performance for the rest of us. "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
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Can someone explain to me how the 2489 users etc calculated ? Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Well, one way would be:
Sub Session_OnStart Application.Lock Application("CurrentUsers") = Application("CurrentUsers") + 1 Application.UnLock End Sub Sub Session_OnEnd Application.Lock Application("CurrentUsers") = Application("CurrentUsers") - 1 Application.UnLock End Sub"My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City -
Well, one way would be:
Sub Session_OnStart Application.Lock Application("CurrentUsers") = Application("CurrentUsers") + 1 Application.UnLock End Sub Sub Session_OnEnd Application.Lock Application("CurrentUsers") = Application("CurrentUsers") - 1 Application.UnLock End Sub"My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead CityHUh, :wtf: does that mean ? While my PC is on (24/7) I have at least one CP page open. Does that still make me a User even when seated on the dunny? Regardz Colin J Davies
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**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
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Well, one way would be:
Sub Session_OnStart Application.Lock Application("CurrentUsers") = Application("CurrentUsers") + 1 Application.UnLock End Sub Sub Session_OnEnd Application.Lock Application("CurrentUsers") = Application("CurrentUsers") - 1 Application.UnLock End Sub"My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead CityClose, but it doesn't work for a cluster. That counts users per system which would be roughly 1/6th of the total in this case.
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There are 14 new posts in the past couple of hours. What the heck are the other 2489 users doing that sucks up so much bandwidth? This is not a complaint, but a matter of curiosity. We were infested with bots a while back, downloading the entire site or parts of it, and that forced Chris to limit downloads to subscribed members. Have those bots returned with valid accounts? Do we need to put a cap on how many downloads an individual user is allowed per day? Would doing so really inconvenience any legitimate users of the site? Would it help, without incurring the cost of more servers and bandwidth? "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
Well, I expect they are all reading my articles :rolleyes: Well, most of the pages on the site are bigger then the downloads. Example so, the problem is more likely the crawl on the asp pages themselves, and the contention on the database and web servers.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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There are 14 new posts in the past couple of hours. What the heck are the other 2489 users doing that sucks up so much bandwidth? This is not a complaint, but a matter of curiosity. We were infested with bots a while back, downloading the entire site or parts of it, and that forced Chris to limit downloads to subscribed members. Have those bots returned with valid accounts? Do we need to put a cap on how many downloads an individual user is allowed per day? Would doing so really inconvenience any legitimate users of the site? Would it help, without incurring the cost of more servers and bandwidth? "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
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HUh, :wtf: does that mean ? While my PC is on (24/7) I have at least one CP page open. Does that still make me a User even when seated on the dunny? Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
If you're sitting on the dunny more than 20 minutes, your session will end, and the counter will decrement. If you click on a link, a new session will be started, and the counter will be incremented. That's assuming, of course, that it works at all. Session variables, in my experience, often don't and I expect no better from Application variables. "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
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Close, but it doesn't work for a cluster. That counts users per system which would be roughly 1/6th of the total in this case.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
True, but I was simplifying it for illustrative purposes. I've never worked with a cluster, and would have no idea how to attack the problem in such a case. That's a whole new can of worms. "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
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Text posts don't consume much bandwidth in either direction. I don't see any reason to limit them at all. But if people are using automated tools to suck the site dry at regular intervals, that imposes a huge load. I don't think it would be all that hard to write a program or script to add an intitial logon to a bot program, and just wonder if that's what has been going on. If it is, then a cap of downloading, say, 6 articles' project files per day probably would not inconvenience anyone who is seriously using this site. But it would block huge transfers that could have a serious impact in performance for the rest of us. "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
While it's pretty easy to POST to the logon script, it's even easier to attach an existing cookie to every request if they already have one. Just FYI. Another idea might be an interval cap, like 4 or 5 in an hour, though that'd be a little harder to implements (since you'll need an accurate and reliable time server of some sorts and a running tally of downloads). I do agree, though, that in most cases 6/day (or something like that) is pretty accomodating.
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