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V. wrote: Our solution: Kill the app every 5 minutes or so and restart That's really, really dirty! :doh: V. wrote: memry leaks IMO, for a programmer, memory leaks are a sin :suss:
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what would we gain to use MS anti-spyware when Ad-Aware and Spybot do a good job? Also, these spywares often install themselves because of security breaches in Windows and/or IE, so how can we trust MS on that??
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>what would we gain to use MS anti-spyware when Ad-Aware and Spybot do a good job? Paul Thurrot reckons that GIANT AntiSpyware (which Windows AntiSpyware Beta is really a rebranding of) is better than the others. But then a recommendation is to have two or more anti-spyware systems on your machine and to run them in series. >so how can we trust MS on that?? S&D, Ad-Aware etc. all run on the same platform as Windows AntiSpyware so at that level you are exposed to the same security problems. Also as mentioned Windows AntiSpyware is hardly developed by Microsoft. Not that I think that is a pro or a con. There is no guarantee other companies are any better than Microsoft and I would say many are worse. It is possible that with the integration with SpyNet there is a chance of a new infection vector but... well you are just knocking Microsoft here and GIANT wrote this bit of software. :) Did Windows crash on you today Karl? You seem very anti-them today :) regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project South-East Asia Disaster: How you can help Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
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Yup, and when I mentioned it to my boss, he said why bother? :wtf: It's not the only strange thing here so ... I'll :zzz: some more :-> "If I don't see you in this world, I'll see you in the next one... and don't be late." ~ Jimi Hendrix
V. wrote: I mentioned it to my boss, he said why bother I'll try not to turn that in other "belgian joke" :rolleyes:;)
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V. wrote: I mentioned it to my boss, he said why bother I'll try not to turn that in other "belgian joke" :rolleyes:;)
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>what would we gain to use MS anti-spyware when Ad-Aware and Spybot do a good job? Paul Thurrot reckons that GIANT AntiSpyware (which Windows AntiSpyware Beta is really a rebranding of) is better than the others. But then a recommendation is to have two or more anti-spyware systems on your machine and to run them in series. >so how can we trust MS on that?? S&D, Ad-Aware etc. all run on the same platform as Windows AntiSpyware so at that level you are exposed to the same security problems. Also as mentioned Windows AntiSpyware is hardly developed by Microsoft. Not that I think that is a pro or a con. There is no guarantee other companies are any better than Microsoft and I would say many are worse. It is possible that with the integration with SpyNet there is a chance of a new infection vector but... well you are just knocking Microsoft here and GIANT wrote this bit of software. :) Did Windows crash on you today Karl? You seem very anti-them today :) regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project South-East Asia Disaster: How you can help Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
Paul Watson wrote: two or more anti-spyware systems on your machine and to run them in series. I totally agree. And using Firefox may help, too :-D Paul Watson wrote: Did Windows crash on you today I have to say that since I run on W2K (that is for years), these days are gone :cool: Paul Watson wrote: You seem very anti-them today You can't blame me because I encourage competition, can you? :-> I have no problem with MS, except perhaps I fear its tendency towards hegemony and then its intrusion in new domains.
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Microsoft have released a re-branded Giant AntiSpyware app in beta form. Seems pretty good, detected a couple of spyware apps on my machine that a recent Spybot Search and Destroy scan did not pick-up on. I used the deep-scan and it did not max out my machine, letting me carry on working in VS.NET and SQL. The download is a bit of a PITA if you choose to do the Genuine Windows authentication, which I did. Make sure you have your Windows Product-Key with you when you do (normally on the bottom of your laptop or back of your desktop or on the cover of the CD you bought.) It is also part of the Spy-Net AntiSpyware network which provides automatic signature updates, like anti-virus apps. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project South-East Asia Disaster: How you can help Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
Paul Watson wrote: The download is a bit of a PITA if you choose to do the Genuine Windows authentication, which I did. Fileforum has a direct link http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/1/5/815d2d60-49b5-44dc-ae35-fca2f2c6f0cc/MicrosoftAntiSpywareInstall.exe[^] PS: after i restarted my MSN, you dont come up anymore... o well.:^) top secret
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Thanks, FYI A couple of months ago I did a little trial of several apps, Giant, CounterSpy, and 2 others excaping my memory. They all found items the others left behind. So what is considered a spy versus an ok cookie or what ever is quite open. I took a mirror image of my daughters machine (she is at college, so you can guess what floats on the halls networks) several times and ran through different orders of loading and running the anti spy apps. I did not do any tests on preventing infections, just removal from the existing image. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.
MS bought Giant, and that's the software we're talking about right now. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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what would we gain to use MS anti-spyware when Ad-Aware and Spybot do a good job? Also, these spywares often install themselves because of security breaches in Windows and/or IE, so how can we trust MS on that??
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MS bought Giant a couple of weeks ago, which is a better program in terms of how much crapware was detected. They had to modify the code to put their company stuff in there before they released it under their own name. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Microsoft have released a re-branded Giant AntiSpyware app in beta form. Seems pretty good, detected a couple of spyware apps on my machine that a recent Spybot Search and Destroy scan did not pick-up on. I used the deep-scan and it did not max out my machine, letting me carry on working in VS.NET and SQL. The download is a bit of a PITA if you choose to do the Genuine Windows authentication, which I did. Make sure you have your Windows Product-Key with you when you do (normally on the bottom of your laptop or back of your desktop or on the cover of the CD you bought.) It is also part of the Spy-Net AntiSpyware network which provides automatic signature updates, like anti-virus apps. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project South-East Asia Disaster: How you can help Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
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You are right, ban Microsoft... sorry... M$ from competing in any but a few markets. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project South-East Asia Disaster: How you can help Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
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Paul Watson wrote: The download is a bit of a PITA if you choose to do the Genuine Windows authentication, which I did. Fileforum has a direct link http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/1/5/815d2d60-49b5-44dc-ae35-fca2f2c6f0cc/MicrosoftAntiSpywareInstall.exe[^] PS: after i restarted my MSN, you dont come up anymore... o well.:^) top secret
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See some screenshotsYou don't have to do the Genuine Windows authentication. If you don't it is a direct download too. I just chose to authenticate and it turned into a PITA. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project South-East Asia Disaster: How you can help Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
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You are right, ban Microsoft... sorry... M$ from competing in any but a few markets. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project South-East Asia Disaster: How you can help Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
Paul, I have nothing against competition, although M$... sorry Microsoft ;) has the unfair advantage to offer a free version with it's OS. Most users will go with the free version, thus they won't bother to search for alternatives that might be better. Look at Winzip. The market is now shut since it's been implemented in Windows XP! How fair is that? We'll see how it goes but I hope they won't offer a free version and they'll be decent enough to compete on the same level as others. Eventually, Microsoft will be in every software market possible and with their millions to back them up for marketing, it just won't be profitable enough to create new software for the mass market. I might be wrong but that's my point of view.
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Dude... They created that market! If Windows wasn't installed by default allowing every bit of crud on the 'Net to stomp all over your average gullible consumer's system, malware wouldn't be an issue to most people. Now let them clean up the mess they've made...
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Dude... They created that market! If Windows wasn't installed by default allowing every bit of crud on the 'Net to stomp all over your average gullible consumer's system, malware wouldn't be an issue to most people. Now let them clean up the mess they've made...
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Paul, I have nothing against competition, although M$... sorry Microsoft ;) has the unfair advantage to offer a free version with it's OS. Most users will go with the free version, thus they won't bother to search for alternatives that might be better. Look at Winzip. The market is now shut since it's been implemented in Windows XP! How fair is that? We'll see how it goes but I hope they won't offer a free version and they'll be decent enough to compete on the same level as others. Eventually, Microsoft will be in every software market possible and with their millions to back them up for marketing, it just won't be profitable enough to create new software for the mass market. I might be wrong but that's my point of view.
Right, I have never understood this "unfair" arguement. I agree they have used unfair practices such as threatening OEM manufacturers. That is not this arguement though. Creating an app and shipping it with your OS is not unfair. It adds value to the OS and so to the user. The very user who pays money, and everyone complains about MS pricing anyway, for the OS. Microsoft worked hard, whatever people think, to create Windows and make it a viable choice. MacOS has bundled apps since it's first release. Nobody beating down Apple's door calling them naughty people for that. Linux? It comes with apps up to your armpits (sure, most types have two or more choices but the choice is normally dead easy and biased.) And where is the line drawn between OS and app? Windows Explorer? Lots of alternatives out there which are selling copies. XPSP2 firewall? Lots of firewalls out there. CD/DVD burners? Few people use the one built-in to Windows. And suddenly I realise I can't actually think of any other apps Microsoft bundle with Windows that is any serious threat to 3rd parties. Notepad, Paint, Calc and err hmm no, none. People are very biased against Microsoft. Think iPod and iTunes. Talk about unfair, Apple force you to use iTunes if you have an iPod*, that is hardware and software lock-in. Plus they lock you into some proprietary music format! Yet it took till yesterday for someone to complain about that. MS would have been sued before they had even released it had they tried that trick. I need someone to explain to me what is unfair about Microsoft working hard to add value to their OS. If an alternative is good enough then it will be used. Internet Explorer? FireFox. Windows Media Player? Winamp (up until recently and plenty of people use Music Match or iTunes on Windows). I know Microsoft is no saint, past, present or future, but this "you can't bundle that with Windows" unfair rhetoric is nonsense. Microsoft can't stop OEMs** putting what they want on machines anymore (AFAIK) and they have gone to lengths to make Windows accept alternatives easily. No, it is not nice for 3rd parties, they have a tough nut to crack but 3rd parties have done it by making great software. Calling it unfair though is... well... a bit whiny. * I know you can/could use Music Match and there are very-lesser known alternatives but most people think iTunes+iPod and nothing else. ** Heck from what I have read it is the OEMs who are the jerks now. Charging huge amounts to have an icon on the desktop with
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Right, I have never understood this "unfair" arguement. I agree they have used unfair practices such as threatening OEM manufacturers. That is not this arguement though. Creating an app and shipping it with your OS is not unfair. It adds value to the OS and so to the user. The very user who pays money, and everyone complains about MS pricing anyway, for the OS. Microsoft worked hard, whatever people think, to create Windows and make it a viable choice. MacOS has bundled apps since it's first release. Nobody beating down Apple's door calling them naughty people for that. Linux? It comes with apps up to your armpits (sure, most types have two or more choices but the choice is normally dead easy and biased.) And where is the line drawn between OS and app? Windows Explorer? Lots of alternatives out there which are selling copies. XPSP2 firewall? Lots of firewalls out there. CD/DVD burners? Few people use the one built-in to Windows. And suddenly I realise I can't actually think of any other apps Microsoft bundle with Windows that is any serious threat to 3rd parties. Notepad, Paint, Calc and err hmm no, none. People are very biased against Microsoft. Think iPod and iTunes. Talk about unfair, Apple force you to use iTunes if you have an iPod*, that is hardware and software lock-in. Plus they lock you into some proprietary music format! Yet it took till yesterday for someone to complain about that. MS would have been sued before they had even released it had they tried that trick. I need someone to explain to me what is unfair about Microsoft working hard to add value to their OS. If an alternative is good enough then it will be used. Internet Explorer? FireFox. Windows Media Player? Winamp (up until recently and plenty of people use Music Match or iTunes on Windows). I know Microsoft is no saint, past, present or future, but this "you can't bundle that with Windows" unfair rhetoric is nonsense. Microsoft can't stop OEMs** putting what they want on machines anymore (AFAIK) and they have gone to lengths to make Windows accept alternatives easily. No, it is not nice for 3rd parties, they have a tough nut to crack but 3rd parties have done it by making great software. Calling it unfair though is... well... a bit whiny. * I know you can/could use Music Match and there are very-lesser known alternatives but most people think iTunes+iPod and nothing else. ** Heck from what I have read it is the OEMs who are the jerks now. Charging huge amounts to have an icon on the desktop with
You have good points. Although I have nothing against Microsoft directly and I would hold the same attitude towards any company that acts the same as them. I'm not complaining about Linux or Apple because I don't use them very much and don't know their attitude as far as unfair competiting goes. I guess I'm mad because I do work in the same area as GIANT was and that there's no way to compete against Microsoft since we don't have their financial resources.
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Microsoft have released a re-branded Giant AntiSpyware app in beta form. Seems pretty good, detected a couple of spyware apps on my machine that a recent Spybot Search and Destroy scan did not pick-up on. I used the deep-scan and it did not max out my machine, letting me carry on working in VS.NET and SQL. The download is a bit of a PITA if you choose to do the Genuine Windows authentication, which I did. Make sure you have your Windows Product-Key with you when you do (normally on the bottom of your laptop or back of your desktop or on the cover of the CD you bought.) It is also part of the Spy-Net AntiSpyware network which provides automatic signature updates, like anti-virus apps. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project South-East Asia Disaster: How you can help Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
Paul Watson wrote: The download is a bit of a PITA if you choose to do the Genuine Windows authentication, which I did. Make sure you have your Windows Product-Key with you when you do (normally on the bottom of your laptop or back of your desktop or on the cover of the CD you bought.) All I had to do was allow IE to install the activex. No product key needed. Matt Newman
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Paul Watson wrote: The download is a bit of a PITA if you choose to do the Genuine Windows authentication, which I did. Make sure you have your Windows Product-Key with you when you do (normally on the bottom of your laptop or back of your desktop or on the cover of the CD you bought.) All I had to do was allow IE to install the activex. No product key needed. Matt Newman
Even the very best tools in the hands of an idiot will produce something of little or no value. - Chris Meech on Idiots
I was using FireFox which does not support ActiveX. I don't use IE except on Windows Update and VPN intranets. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project South-East Asia Disaster: How you can help Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
