Microsoft beats Apple, files I-Pod patents
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Jumping in from Roger's thread above, this is one of those concepts that makes me wish i'd spent some time learning other languages - English at times seems to hamstring thought as well as speech.
Indeed. English seems to be lacking in a few areas. The idea of love happens to be one of them. The word love is so overused because it's the only thing that we can use to express a variety of separate topics. As I said, the greeks have three words for love: agape, phileo, and eros. And they separate out quite distinctly the various applications of "love". We really only have "love", but I guess you could throw in "like" too. Oh, and there's the ever-popular-with-the-high-school-crowd, "in love". And all three of those words are so similar and similarly abused that, to have any hope of interpreting what someone means when they use them, you need lots of explanation as to what the nature of the relationship is, what their intentions are, etc.
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
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Okay...regardless of whether or not you agree that Jesus told us to do this, you can't disagree with the interpretation of the greek words for love. The Greeks separated love into three words: agape, phileo, and eros. Agape is unconditional love that you have for everybody. It flows from your character and is dependent solely on you. Phileo is conditional, friendship love. You phileo your family, friends, etc. It's conditional...meaning that if someone pisses you off royally, they could lose that phileo you have for them. And then there's eros, which is a passionate desire-type of love. You would eros your wife, girlfriend, car, whatever you really want. These concepts aren't even "Christian"...the greeks were considered the gentiles (pagans) in the day of Christ. The fact is that their language separates the concept of love much clearer than English does. I'm sure there are other langauges that have a much more complete expression of love as well. So what exactly makes you so sick about this? [EDIT] And besides...there's no code in the Lounge...so we are keeping church and code separate. ;)
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
David Stone wrote: And besides...there's no code in the Lounge...so we are keeping church and code separate. There is. We code with love. :laugh: Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Right...but that interpretation assumes that Jesus was talking about Phileo-ing someone. Which he clearly was not. Agape is unconditional and flows from your character. If you have a stronger character, you will have more agape. The phileo love is conditional and would best be described as the friendship love. I can have very low phileo for someone (say, a criminal who attacks my family), but still have agape for them merely because of the fact that they're a human being. Christ didn't command us to like everybody on the face of the planet. That would be impossible. Are we supposed to like Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein, etc? No. But we do have agape love for them based solely on the fact that they're human.
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
David Stone wrote: Are we supposed to like Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein, etc? No. But we do have agape love for them based solely on the fact that they're human. Sounds very Buddhist to me... :) -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind.
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Right...but that interpretation assumes that Jesus was talking about Phileo-ing someone. Which he clearly was not. Agape is unconditional and flows from your character. If you have a stronger character, you will have more agape. The phileo love is conditional and would best be described as the friendship love. I can have very low phileo for someone (say, a criminal who attacks my family), but still have agape for them merely because of the fact that they're a human being. Christ didn't command us to like everybody on the face of the planet. That would be impossible. Are we supposed to like Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein, etc? No. But we do have agape love for them based solely on the fact that they're human.
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
David Stone wrote: Christ didn't command us to like everybody on the face of the planet... It is very simple to find out. It is in your first quote, loving your neighbor as yourself. If the only love you have for myself is Agape, then you have a point. I have all three for myself. David Stone wrote: Are we supposed to like Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein, etc? No. Interesting list, I hope President Bush is in the "etc". :laugh: Anyway to your question, the answer to me is Yes. It will be difficult for you and that is human, but for your "supposed to", it is Yes. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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David Stone wrote: Are we supposed to like Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein, etc? No. But we do have agape love for them based solely on the fact that they're human. Sounds very Buddhist to me... :) -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Sounds very Buddhist to me... Ah! that word was missing in my vocab :laugh::laugh: Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Microsoft beats Apple, files I-Pod patents[^] cheers, Chris Maunder
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Indeed. English seems to be lacking in a few areas. The idea of love happens to be one of them. The word love is so overused because it's the only thing that we can use to express a variety of separate topics. As I said, the greeks have three words for love: agape, phileo, and eros. And they separate out quite distinctly the various applications of "love". We really only have "love", but I guess you could throw in "like" too. Oh, and there's the ever-popular-with-the-high-school-crowd, "in love". And all three of those words are so similar and similarly abused that, to have any hope of interpreting what someone means when they use them, you need lots of explanation as to what the nature of the relationship is, what their intentions are, etc.
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
You forgot storge (family love) :-D
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Microsoft beats Apple, files I-Pod patents[^] cheers, Chris Maunder
:laugh::laugh::laugh: It's 5 in the morning and another workday looms on the near horizon after a night of far too little sleep. I needed that. Thanks!:-D "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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I hate Apple just enough to not care abuot this. Mostly because I hate Steve Jobs, but also because I've found my iPod to be an unreliable device at the best of times. I'm selling it on ebay and buying an iRiver. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote: I'm selling it on ebay and buying an iRiver Kudos on the iRiver. I bought one as a present for my 20 year old daughter last christmas. She loves it. Claims it is easy to use and never fails to function. I haven't bought for myself yet, but the iRiver line will get a very serious look from me. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Remember that in Texas, Gun Control is hitting what you aim at. [Richard Stringer] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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Christian Graus wrote: Mostly because I hate Steve Jobs... This is off-topic, but it this does not sound like a Christian! Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Hey I'm telling you Jesus Christ is LOVE done my duty X|
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I hate Apple just enough to not care abuot this. Mostly because I hate Steve Jobs, but also because I've found my iPod to be an unreliable device at the best of times. I'm selling it on ebay and buying an iRiver. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote: Mostly because I hate Steve Jobs Not trying to start a flame war, but why do you hate Jobs? Jeremy Falcon
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You forgot storge (family love) :-D
I knew there was one I was forgetting. Sweet. Thanks. :)
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
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David Stone wrote: Are we supposed to like Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein, etc? No. But we do have agape love for them based solely on the fact that they're human. Sounds very Buddhist to me... :) -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind.
It actually is quite buddhist. I was discussing that with my pastor one day. He claimed that without the Holy Spirit, one could not fully achieve the facets of love listed in 1 Corinthians 13. I went up to him after the sermon and got him to acknowledge that the buddhists have similar principles and that a buddhist priest could indeed devote his entire life to studying love and become that loving. My pastor corrected himself the next week. :)
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
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Hey I'm telling you Jesus Christ is LOVE done my duty X|
Rutger Ellen wrote: Jesus Christ is LOVE Thank you. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Christian Graus wrote: Mostly because I hate Steve Jobs... This is off-topic, but it this does not sound like a Christian! Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Really? Would you still "love" me if I told you what I really think about christianity? ;)
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
John Cardinal wrote: Really? Would you still "love" me if I told you what I really think about christianity? Is there anything new yet to say on Chrisitianity? The wonderful thing is that no one will put a death tag on you, no matter what you say. Just be careful not to touch on issues involving the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, there you will not be forgiven. Anyway, speaking your mind freely is good and will help me know how to pray for you. Jesus will still love you, and who am I not to? Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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It actually is quite buddhist. I was discussing that with my pastor one day. He claimed that without the Holy Spirit, one could not fully achieve the facets of love listed in 1 Corinthians 13. I went up to him after the sermon and got him to acknowledge that the buddhists have similar principles and that a buddhist priest could indeed devote his entire life to studying love and become that loving. My pastor corrected himself the next week. :)
[Cheshire] I can't afford those plastic things to cover the electric sockets so I just draw bunny faces on the electric outlets to scare the kids away from them... [RLtim] Newsflash! Kids aren't afraid of bunnies. [Cheshire] Oh they will be... -Bash.org
David Stone wrote: buddhist priest could indeed devote his entire life to studying love and become that loving That doesn't mean Christ isn't involved. Everyone has the light of Christ from birth regardless of who they are. That is the reason everyone knows inately what is right or wrong (for most things).
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David Stone wrote: Christ didn't command us to like everybody on the face of the planet... It is very simple to find out. It is in your first quote, loving your neighbor as yourself. If the only love you have for myself is Agape, then you have a point. I have all three for myself. David Stone wrote: Are we supposed to like Hitler, Mussolini, Hussein, etc? No. Interesting list, I hope President Bush is in the "etc". :laugh: Anyway to your question, the answer to me is Yes. It will be difficult for you and that is human, but for your "supposed to", it is Yes. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote: I have all three for myself. So you love yourself erotically (i.e. eros)??? :laugh::laugh::laugh:
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John Cardinal wrote: Really? Would you still "love" me if I told you what I really think about christianity? Is there anything new yet to say on Chrisitianity? The wonderful thing is that no one will put a death tag on you, no matter what you say. Just be careful not to touch on issues involving the Holy Spirit. According to the Bible, there you will not be forgiven. Anyway, speaking your mind freely is good and will help me know how to pray for you. Jesus will still love you, and who am I not to? Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote: involving the Holy Spirit Only if he knows and has an undeniable witness of the Truth from the Spirit AND then denies it. There are very few Sons of Perdition. Not even Hitler qualifies.
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Microsoft beats Apple, files I-Pod patents[^] cheers, Chris Maunder
The articles on this are a little misleading. The actual inventor of the invention covered by the patent didn't work for Apple but for a design company, which was hired by Apple to design the iPod. By default this invention would go to the inventor's employer, in this case the design company, not Apple. Clearly, some enterprising soul at Microsoft realized the patent had not been filed and Microsoft quickly purchased the patent rights to the design from the design company. The failure of Apple was not to anticipate that outsourcing their designs might result in patentable inventions and to have stipulated in all contracts that such inventions would be assigned to Apple. I suspect Apple is now spending a lot of money scouring it's contract portfolio and ammending contract agreements to cover this. (Which could backfire; smart companies will play Apple off of Microsoft and make out like bandits.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke