A Bunch Of Crybabies?
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ok lets compare this to windows 3.1 then shall we? modem drivers ... printer drivers ... video drivers ... sound drivers ... none would work easily then ... and dont get me started on trying to install a video card on my uncles pdp11 ... i couldnt even find the pci slot!! i thought we were talking about modern versions of the operating systems ;)
Might be an issue with modern versions too. I don't know. Haven't tried installing it recently. Still trying to figure out how I can get ahold of this "free" operating system without paying someone $20 to send it to me:) ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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Might be an issue with modern versions too. I don't know. Haven't tried installing it recently. Still trying to figure out how I can get ahold of this "free" operating system without paying someone $20 to send it to me:) ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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and ur holier than thou fanboy bs is really tiresome too but i dont complain about it i raised the issue of my experience to make it clear i do know what im talking about as opposed to someone who has been involved in software development for ... how long judah? ur 22 so i guess 5 years maybe? ... and who has used a linux live cd (which incidentally windows cant do but never mind i digress) once or twice ... and yet u spout about how windows is superior to a product u know jack sh*t about?? go back to school please and get the self-righteous stick out of ur ass
and yet u spout about how windows is superior to a product u know jack sh*t about?? ... go back to school please and get the self-righteous stick out of ur ass
I've said we're tired of hearing the Linux crowd complain about Windows, I haven't said Windows is superior. On the contrary, it is you who is pushing the idea of superiority: both yourself being superior to me, and Linux being superior to Windows. I think that says something of a person. But if the best you can do is curse at me, I have no rebuttle, and am done arguing with you.
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I started on Commodore PET (also in 1981). 16K RAM pack - you lucky so-and-so. I had 8K total system memory (and 1K of that went for the screen).
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Key thing here: "I'll set it up for you when I come home in a few weeks mom." With her Windows box 9 times out of 10 I can walk her through it on the phone. If I had to I could walk her through a complete install without any issues and I don't have to waste my gas getting there. All of this is pointless though because mom isn't running Linux because she doesn't see software on the shelf that she wants that is Linux only. When that happens then maybe she will. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
no actually my mom couldnt install linux anymore than she could install windows ... and i could talk her thru it on the fone just as easily as installing windows as usual ur arguments are based on second hand information and general fud put out about linux ... when u have any first hand experience please call back to discuss ;)
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I started on Commodore PET (also in 1981). 16K RAM pack - you lucky so-and-so. I had 8K total system memory (and 1K of that went for the screen).
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and yet u spout about how windows is superior to a product u know jack sh*t about?? ... go back to school please and get the self-righteous stick out of ur ass
I've said we're tired of hearing the Linux crowd complain about Windows, I haven't said Windows is superior. On the contrary, it is you who is pushing the idea of superiority: both yourself being superior to me, and Linux being superior to Windows. I think that says something of a person. But if the best you can do is curse at me, I have no rebuttle, and am done arguing with you.
curse at u??? man u do come from a sheltered background ... i havnt even thought about cursing u out yet u made the point that linux is inferior ... ergo windows is superior ... and it isnt true and i called u out on it ... if u cant back up ur assertions then so be it
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Graham Bradshaw wrote: My point is that the Linux install is *much* more complex than the corresponding Windows install for the same product. No. You're so off base it's borderline FUD. Any decent distribution has a package management system. Any decent GUI environment has GUI applications for maintaining the installed packages. In fact, they're like the "Add/Remove Programs" control panel applet, but on steroids. If you're going to bitch about Linux, then please, at least have a look in the KDE/Gnome-menus first. Please note that I don't particularly like Linux. But I try to keep my rants to something that I did not magically pulled out of my ass. Good music: In my rosary[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: a look in the KDE/Gnome-menus I have. We use Fedora Core 3 here. To clarify - are you saying that the recommended (by the OO people) way to install OO is as simple as it is for Windows?
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: a look in the KDE/Gnome-menus I have. We use Fedora Core 3 here. To clarify - are you saying that the recommended (by the OO people) way to install OO is as simple as it is for Windows?
thats cos the oo people dont build binaries ... they make source ... the distro producers make the binaries for the users to use ... just like ms doesnt ship the source code to its users for say office ... the office team makes the sources ... the build teams build the whole thing and it gets shipped and u _so_ know all of this ;P
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Yeah, I don't want to chew up my bandwidth downloading the files though. I guess I could go out to the store and buy the "free" OS for $50:) ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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Yeah, I don't want to chew up my bandwidth downloading the files though. I guess I could go out to the store and buy the "free" OS for $50:) ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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no actually my mom couldnt install linux anymore than she could install windows ... and i could talk her thru it on the fone just as easily as installing windows as usual ur arguments are based on second hand information and general fud put out about linux ... when u have any first hand experience please call back to discuss ;)
I do have first hand experience. Did I not say that I tried installing it on my home machine? In fact, I've tried it 3 times now. Granted each time it gets a bit easier and close to actually working but there you go. When I first learned programming I was made to use Linux in the labs for ALL of my projects as it was the only thing the school could get on a budget since 80 licenses of Visual Studio aren't cheap. I have used the OS before and did like it quite a lot. I just have no clue how to administer it and since I'm already crunched for time I don't feel like reading volumes of literature just so I can become "enlightened" on the "glory" of open source development. As a side note you do know that there is open source software based on Microsoft technology right? Have you ever used any of that? There's nothing keeping you from making your own version of Word if you want(except I guess that'd be openoffice wouldn't it?). All I know is that another thing that keeps me away from Linux is that when I have an issue I like to ask around message boards like this and when I've asked Linux questions most of what I get is RTFS. I find more help from the MS people. Guess I'm just lazy though as I prefer to just ask my question and have it answered rather than sort through a novel to find it. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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l a u r e n wrote: criticise what u know not what u imagine k? Take your own advice, I've used Linux.
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Hey Judah Please don't answer this if you don't want to. But I saw from your profile that you are not yet 22, yet you have a 5 year old son! Is there a typo in your DOB? Or did you actually... Nish :omg:
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There is, it's called MSDN:) By the way, Fedora Linux, Best Buy, $60 last I checked. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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I do have first hand experience. Did I not say that I tried installing it on my home machine? In fact, I've tried it 3 times now. Granted each time it gets a bit easier and close to actually working but there you go. When I first learned programming I was made to use Linux in the labs for ALL of my projects as it was the only thing the school could get on a budget since 80 licenses of Visual Studio aren't cheap. I have used the OS before and did like it quite a lot. I just have no clue how to administer it and since I'm already crunched for time I don't feel like reading volumes of literature just so I can become "enlightened" on the "glory" of open source development. As a side note you do know that there is open source software based on Microsoft technology right? Have you ever used any of that? There's nothing keeping you from making your own version of Word if you want(except I guess that'd be openoffice wouldn't it?). All I know is that another thing that keeps me away from Linux is that when I have an issue I like to ask around message boards like this and when I've asked Linux questions most of what I get is RTFS. I find more help from the MS people. Guess I'm just lazy though as I prefer to just ask my question and have it answered rather than sort through a novel to find it. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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There is, it's called MSDN:) By the way, Fedora Linux, Best Buy, $60 last I checked. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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Not so much put my mind to it but put my time to it. I just don't have the time right now or maybe it's the ADHD:):sigh: ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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Hey Judah Please don't answer this if you don't want to. But I saw from your profile that you are not yet 22, yet you have a 5 year old son! Is there a typo in your DOB? Or did you actually... Nish :omg:
No typo. :-) I married my wife last year. She had a son when she was in high school; the father wasn't there for him, so after we got married, I adopted him as my own. He turned 5 this January, go watch[^] his birthday party. :cool:
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Didn't say it was free. It's a place to download Windows:) Just curious though, how long does it take YOU to download the bits? For me it's like half a day per CD and since I like the Debian distro that's quite some time. Any ideas on how to cut that down? ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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thats cos the oo people dont build binaries ... they make source ... the distro producers make the binaries for the users to use ... just like ms doesnt ship the source code to its users for say office ... the office team makes the sources ... the build teams build the whole thing and it gets shipped and u _so_ know all of this ;P
l a u r e n wrote: thats cos the oo people dont build binaries But they do for Windows, don't they? Granted, it's slightly more complex for Linux, since it supports multiple processor architectures (x86, PPC etc), but a "packaged" install would be great. I bet most people run Linux on x68 boxes, so you'd cover most of your "market" with a single package. It seems to me (and I do build Linux installs, and install not-included-with-the-distro apps on them), that things are just harder to do in Linux. My gut feeling is that these things aren't harder to do for the people developing the installations, so there is no perceived need for them. As is always the case, everything is easy once you know how to do it, but the path to get to that point seems harder with Linux.