A Bunch Of Crybabies?
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I started on Commodore PET (also in 1981). 16K RAM pack - you lucky so-and-so. I had 8K total system memory (and 1K of that went for the screen).
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Key thing here: "I'll set it up for you when I come home in a few weeks mom." With her Windows box 9 times out of 10 I can walk her through it on the phone. If I had to I could walk her through a complete install without any issues and I don't have to waste my gas getting there. All of this is pointless though because mom isn't running Linux because she doesn't see software on the shelf that she wants that is Linux only. When that happens then maybe she will. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
no actually my mom couldnt install linux anymore than she could install windows ... and i could talk her thru it on the fone just as easily as installing windows as usual ur arguments are based on second hand information and general fud put out about linux ... when u have any first hand experience please call back to discuss ;)
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I started on Commodore PET (also in 1981). 16K RAM pack - you lucky so-and-so. I had 8K total system memory (and 1K of that went for the screen).
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Graham Bradshaw wrote: My point is that the Linux install is *much* more complex than the corresponding Windows install for the same product. No. You're so off base it's borderline FUD. Any decent distribution has a package management system. Any decent GUI environment has GUI applications for maintaining the installed packages. In fact, they're like the "Add/Remove Programs" control panel applet, but on steroids. If you're going to bitch about Linux, then please, at least have a look in the KDE/Gnome-menus first. Please note that I don't particularly like Linux. But I try to keep my rants to something that I did not magically pulled out of my ass. Good music: In my rosary[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: a look in the KDE/Gnome-menus I have. We use Fedora Core 3 here. To clarify - are you saying that the recommended (by the OO people) way to install OO is as simple as it is for Windows?
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and yet u spout about how windows is superior to a product u know jack sh*t about?? ... go back to school please and get the self-righteous stick out of ur ass
I've said we're tired of hearing the Linux crowd complain about Windows, I haven't said Windows is superior. On the contrary, it is you who is pushing the idea of superiority: both yourself being superior to me, and Linux being superior to Windows. I think that says something of a person. But if the best you can do is curse at me, I have no rebuttle, and am done arguing with you.
curse at u??? man u do come from a sheltered background ... i havnt even thought about cursing u out yet u made the point that linux is inferior ... ergo windows is superior ... and it isnt true and i called u out on it ... if u cant back up ur assertions then so be it
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Yeah, I don't want to chew up my bandwidth downloading the files though. I guess I could go out to the store and buy the "free" OS for $50:) ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: a look in the KDE/Gnome-menus I have. We use Fedora Core 3 here. To clarify - are you saying that the recommended (by the OO people) way to install OO is as simple as it is for Windows?
thats cos the oo people dont build binaries ... they make source ... the distro producers make the binaries for the users to use ... just like ms doesnt ship the source code to its users for say office ... the office team makes the sources ... the build teams build the whole thing and it gets shipped and u _so_ know all of this ;P
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Yeah, I don't want to chew up my bandwidth downloading the files though. I guess I could go out to the store and buy the "free" OS for $50:) ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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l a u r e n wrote: criticise what u know not what u imagine k? Take your own advice, I've used Linux.
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Cops & Robbers Judah Himango
Hey Judah Please don't answer this if you don't want to. But I saw from your profile that you are not yet 22, yet you have a 5 year old son! Is there a typo in your DOB? Or did you actually... Nish :omg:
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no actually my mom couldnt install linux anymore than she could install windows ... and i could talk her thru it on the fone just as easily as installing windows as usual ur arguments are based on second hand information and general fud put out about linux ... when u have any first hand experience please call back to discuss ;)
I do have first hand experience. Did I not say that I tried installing it on my home machine? In fact, I've tried it 3 times now. Granted each time it gets a bit easier and close to actually working but there you go. When I first learned programming I was made to use Linux in the labs for ALL of my projects as it was the only thing the school could get on a budget since 80 licenses of Visual Studio aren't cheap. I have used the OS before and did like it quite a lot. I just have no clue how to administer it and since I'm already crunched for time I don't feel like reading volumes of literature just so I can become "enlightened" on the "glory" of open source development. As a side note you do know that there is open source software based on Microsoft technology right? Have you ever used any of that? There's nothing keeping you from making your own version of Word if you want(except I guess that'd be openoffice wouldn't it?). All I know is that another thing that keeps me away from Linux is that when I have an issue I like to ask around message boards like this and when I've asked Linux questions most of what I get is RTFS. I find more help from the MS people. Guess I'm just lazy though as I prefer to just ask my question and have it answered rather than sort through a novel to find it. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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There is, it's called MSDN:) By the way, Fedora Linux, Best Buy, $60 last I checked. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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I do have first hand experience. Did I not say that I tried installing it on my home machine? In fact, I've tried it 3 times now. Granted each time it gets a bit easier and close to actually working but there you go. When I first learned programming I was made to use Linux in the labs for ALL of my projects as it was the only thing the school could get on a budget since 80 licenses of Visual Studio aren't cheap. I have used the OS before and did like it quite a lot. I just have no clue how to administer it and since I'm already crunched for time I don't feel like reading volumes of literature just so I can become "enlightened" on the "glory" of open source development. As a side note you do know that there is open source software based on Microsoft technology right? Have you ever used any of that? There's nothing keeping you from making your own version of Word if you want(except I guess that'd be openoffice wouldn't it?). All I know is that another thing that keeps me away from Linux is that when I have an issue I like to ask around message boards like this and when I've asked Linux questions most of what I get is RTFS. I find more help from the MS people. Guess I'm just lazy though as I prefer to just ask my question and have it answered rather than sort through a novel to find it. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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There is, it's called MSDN:) By the way, Fedora Linux, Best Buy, $60 last I checked. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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Not so much put my mind to it but put my time to it. I just don't have the time right now or maybe it's the ADHD:):sigh: ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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Hey Judah Please don't answer this if you don't want to. But I saw from your profile that you are not yet 22, yet you have a 5 year old son! Is there a typo in your DOB? Or did you actually... Nish :omg:
No typo. :-) I married my wife last year. She had a son when she was in high school; the father wasn't there for him, so after we got married, I adopted him as my own. He turned 5 this January, go watch[^] his birthday party. :cool:
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Cops & Robbers Judah Himango
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Didn't say it was free. It's a place to download Windows:) Just curious though, how long does it take YOU to download the bits? For me it's like half a day per CD and since I like the Debian distro that's quite some time. Any ideas on how to cut that down? ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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thats cos the oo people dont build binaries ... they make source ... the distro producers make the binaries for the users to use ... just like ms doesnt ship the source code to its users for say office ... the office team makes the sources ... the build teams build the whole thing and it gets shipped and u _so_ know all of this ;P
l a u r e n wrote: thats cos the oo people dont build binaries But they do for Windows, don't they? Granted, it's slightly more complex for Linux, since it supports multiple processor architectures (x86, PPC etc), but a "packaged" install would be great. I bet most people run Linux on x68 boxes, so you'd cover most of your "market" with a single package. It seems to me (and I do build Linux installs, and install not-included-with-the-distro apps on them), that things are just harder to do in Linux. My gut feeling is that these things aren't harder to do for the people developing the installations, so there is no perceived need for them. As is always the case, everything is easy once you know how to do it, but the path to get to that point seems harder with Linux.
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Why is it that so many people complain about development/evolution of software? Every time MS comes with something new and fancy people go "I Can not afford to develop stuff like that" or "I don't like it, I'm switching to Linux" So maybe you cannot afford to hire a designer for your application, but should progress stop because of that? Just compare todays 24-bit antialiased icons an fancy XP GUI with Win 3.1. Compare the difference between now and the previews of Vista/Office 12 and the difference is not that big. We have all survived the progress so far and we will continue to do so if we spend our energy on our business instead of complaining... And why is it that every time people see something new which they don't fancy thay say they switch to Linux or something? Please do so, I don't know that many successfull commercial applications for Linux and I don't think we will see many any time soon. Please do realize that MS has a lot of money to use on usability tests and they DO spend loads of money on it. Include that with the fact that most developers don't know anything about usability and designing usefull GUI's and even a kid can figure out who us right when it comes to GUI's: MS or the small developer shop... - Anders
Anders Molin wrote: Why is it that so many people complain about development/evolution of software? Every time MS comes with something new and fancy people go "I Can not afford to develop stuff like that" or "I don't like it, I'm switching to Linux" The orginal point of this thread has been lost in the continual defense of Linux. That wasn't the point! I happen to enjoy working on Linux but the majority of people are comfortable using Windows. Would switching to Linux in a corporate environment really be cheap? Think about it: retrain ALL your employees. I think Vista has some really cool features in it but the fact that most people are not in a hurry to switch from 2000 or XP proves how good those OS really are! Average users don't care what they use as long as it works and they don't have to learn anything new to do their job. -- modified at 14:05 Friday 16th September, 2005
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Didn't say it was free. It's a place to download Windows:) Just curious though, how long does it take YOU to download the bits? For me it's like half a day per CD and since I like the Debian distro that's quite some time. Any ideas on how to cut that down? ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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l a u r e n wrote: thats cos the oo people dont build binaries But they do for Windows, don't they? Granted, it's slightly more complex for Linux, since it supports multiple processor architectures (x86, PPC etc), but a "packaged" install would be great. I bet most people run Linux on x68 boxes, so you'd cover most of your "market" with a single package. It seems to me (and I do build Linux installs, and install not-included-with-the-distro apps on them), that things are just harder to do in Linux. My gut feeling is that these things aren't harder to do for the people developing the installations, so there is no perceived need for them. As is always the case, everything is easy once you know how to do it, but the path to get to that point seems harder with Linux.
there are packaged installs of just about anything i could ever need or want and more: in fedora they use rpm's with a management front end in debian they use deb with a simple front end to manage them in suse also a simple packaging system the argument ur making is totally without merit on a modern linux distro ... plus linux does support many architectures as u say and runs on a far wider range of hardware than windows