Avant Browser - pros and cons
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David Stone wrote:
I haven't noticed them. Would you mind pointing them out?
- Tools | Options | Content -> Colors the browse is non-standard for Windows
- Some resizable diaglogs have the resize "cue" bottom right, some don't
- Some pages have accelerators for tabs, some don't
- Not all controls have accelerators
- Some dialogs have a Help button, some don't.
- Tools | Options. Pick advanced section, pick security tab. Click Revocation lists, hit help. Read the helpful help text.
I've had FF downloaded for no more than half an hour, and I've found all those already...
David Stone wrote:
Actually, it usually is.
That's not my point. I'm not in a position to comment on the reasons. But, it's like writing error messages for any application. You never, ever blame the user, whether it's their fault or not.
Excellent points about the UI.
With repsect to your comments about writing error messages and the Reporter...I'm thinking this is a bit different. The Mozilla Foundation isn't really blaming the user...they're blaming the content providers for providing IE only content...which, IMO, is where the blame needs to go. I don't think the blame should go on Mozilla, Apple, Opera, the KHTML folks, or anybody else for not providing rendering engines that act exactly like IE's. Web Devs who ignorantly assume that their user base is only going to hit their site with IE are the ones to blame. And there are ways to minimize the amount of double-coding necessary to support all of those browsers.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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Quartz... wrote:
its Definitely not for FF users because its too sophisticated and a bit complicated also due to enhanced feature list
:laugh::laugh: That is rich. That's possibly the most hilarious thing I've heard in quite a while...
Quartz... wrote:
The Pro's
That list sounds exactly like everything Firefox does... :~
Do you have a specific reason for not using Firefox? Do you just dislike the Gecko engine? Are you not a big fan of standards? Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
David Stone wrote:
Maybe you just dislike Open Source Software?
Can't sleep, communists will eat me... :~
Calvin's my hero. It used to be Shog but then I saw where he made a programming mistake and admitted it publicly. I didn't know Shog made mistakes so now he's 2nd on "The All Time Hero List" and Calvin is back at #1. - code-frog, Calling Cookie Experts...
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It's kind of ironic, but just as we're talking about Firefox rendering issues, Firefox renders your post oddly: clickity[^]. Nevermind, looks like CodeProject is at fault here, as the same thing shows up in IE. Is it because I used the blockquote tag instead of the normal quote? Well, the quote button doesn't work in my current FF version. ;P
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Naw, FF and CP are both innocent - David just can't get his HTML right... ;P
Calvin's my hero. It used to be Shog but then I saw where he made a programming mistake and admitted it publicly. I didn't know Shog made mistakes so now he's 2nd on "The All Time Hero List" and Calvin is back at #1. - code-frog, Calling Cookie Experts...
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It's kind of ironic, but just as we're talking about Firefox rendering issues, Firefox renders your post oddly: clickity[^]. Nevermind, looks like CodeProject is at fault here, as the same thing shows up in IE. Is it because I used the blockquote tag instead of the normal quote? Well, the quote button doesn't work in my current FF version. ;P
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No...that's my fault. I'm goofing off with CPhog and I've been screwing up quotes for the past few days. ;P
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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Naw, FF and CP are both innocent - David just can't get his HTML right... ;P
Calvin's my hero. It used to be Shog but then I saw where he made a programming mistake and admitted it publicly. I didn't know Shog made mistakes so now he's 2nd on "The All Time Hero List" and Calvin is back at #1. - code-frog, Calling Cookie Experts...
Shhh...go away. Midas is making life a little more miserable than it should be. I had the damn quote problem fixed...and then I went and borked it again.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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andy brummer wrote:
If you don't deal with HTML and web development often then IE is just fine.
Can you shed some more light on that. i do a lot of HTML, web development but normally stick to HTML tables and java scripts :) What is the difference ? , thanks "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
The issue is that you probably haven't ventured beyond tables and simple Javascript. Once you start using things like CSS 2 (or wishing you could implement something cool from CSS 3) or heavily using the DOM, you'll find that you hate IE.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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No...that's my fault. I'm goofing off with CPhog and I've been screwing up quotes for the past few days. ;P
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
Ah, good that explains it then. On a somewhat related note, is the "quote selected text" button working for you? I'm running FF 1.5, and when I hit that button, I get a CP message box saying, "You did not select any text to quote.", even though I in fact have text selected.
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Ah, good that explains it then. On a somewhat related note, is the "quote selected text" button working for you? I'm running FF 1.5, and when I hit that button, I get a CP message box saying, "You did not select any text to quote.", even though I in fact have text selected.
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I don't use the reply page for posting. But yes, the QST button is broken. It looks like there was a regression between 1.0.x and 1.5 in which the selected text was cleared when you clicked a form element. There's a workaround that Shog and I have both sent to Chris...but he's been on vacation for a bit...so it might be a bit before he fixes it.
In the interim...you could always try out Greasemonkey and CPhog. :)
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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I figured FF would come out with a script for that sooner or later. FF uses a hell of a lot more memory than that. I've caught FF using 2 gigs+ on multiple occassions. I open FF when I need to and close it when I'm done. - Rex
Some assembly required. Code-frog System Architects, Inc.
code-frog wrote:
I've caught FF using 2 gigs+ on multiple occassions
Wow. I've never seen that happen.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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Naw, FF and CP are both innocent - David just can't get his HTML right... ;P
Calvin's my hero. It used to be Shog but then I saw where he made a programming mistake and admitted it publicly. I didn't know Shog made mistakes so now he's 2nd on "The All Time Hero List" and Calvin is back at #1. - code-frog, Calling Cookie Experts...
Thanks. Hey, does CPhog work with FF 1.5? I'm not seeing the Quick Reply and all that I used to see, although I do see the monkey down in the corner of the status bar. *edit* Nevermind, just had to restart a couple times. It's working now. Awesome little tool by the way. :cool:
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Thanks. Hey, does CPhog work with FF 1.5? I'm not seeing the Quick Reply and all that I used to see, although I do see the monkey down in the corner of the status bar. *edit* Nevermind, just had to restart a couple times. It's working now. Awesome little tool by the way. :cool:
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Bought a House! Judah Himango
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
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andy brummer wrote:
If you don't deal with HTML and web development often then IE is just fine.
Can you shed some more light on that. i do a lot of HTML, web development but normally stick to HTML tables and java scripts :) What is the difference ? , thanks "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
Quartz... wrote:
What is the difference ?
Top of my list:
- Leak-free closures
- Combo boxes that can be styled and aren't perpetually at the top of the z-order
- Use XPath on HTML documents
- Web Developer toolbar and DOM Inspector
- Support for handy CSS selectors and pseudo elements
- Better PNG support
position: fixed;- E4X
----- I just want you to be happy, That's my only little wish...
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Excellent points about the UI.
With repsect to your comments about writing error messages and the Reporter...I'm thinking this is a bit different. The Mozilla Foundation isn't really blaming the user...they're blaming the content providers for providing IE only content...which, IMO, is where the blame needs to go. I don't think the blame should go on Mozilla, Apple, Opera, the KHTML folks, or anybody else for not providing rendering engines that act exactly like IE's. Web Devs who ignorantly assume that their user base is only going to hit their site with IE are the ones to blame. And there are ways to minimize the amount of double-coding necessary to support all of those browsers.
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
I hear what you say, but I think my point still stands. In writing an error message (e.g. for a desktop app, and yes, this case is slightly different), you (as the application) take the blame yourself. So, not:
You have specified an incorrect location to save the file.but:WhizzyApp was unable to save the file. The folder does not exist.and I don't see Firefox going that far. They aren't taking responsibility for the problem. In the example above, it's not the application's fault that the user has given a bad location for the file, but the program takes responsibility anyway. It's subtle wording like that that makes all the difference about how applications are percieved, especically by non-technical users. -
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
Yes, and oddly enough, for some reason I'm now seeing the quick reply. I swear, it was not there the last time I ran FF. Maybe I just had to restart it a couple times. X| Thanks.
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I don't use the reply page for posting. But yes, the QST button is broken. It looks like there was a regression between 1.0.x and 1.5 in which the selected text was cleared when you clicked a form element. There's a workaround that Shog and I have both sent to Chris...but he's been on vacation for a bit...so it might be a bit before he fixes it.
In the interim...you could always try out Greasemonkey and CPhog. :)
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
David Stone wrote:
you could always try out Greasemonkey and CPhog.
Yeah, I had been using it until 1.5, then it seemed to stop working (even after GM 0.6.4). I think I might've had an old version of CPhog though, just upgraded and after a few restarts it does seem to work. I didn't realize Quote Selected Text is different under CPhog. That's great, it does appear to work (as I just quoted you above) :cool: Now, how do I add my sig to Quick Reply?
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Quartz... wrote:
What is the difference ?
Top of my list:
- Leak-free closures
- Combo boxes that can be styled and aren't perpetually at the top of the z-order
- Use XPath on HTML documents
- Web Developer toolbar and DOM Inspector
- Support for handy CSS selectors and pseudo elements
- Better PNG support
position: fixed;- E4X
----- I just want you to be happy, That's my only little wish...
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Quartz... wrote:
What is the difference ?
Top of my list:
- Leak-free closures
- Combo boxes that can be styled and aren't perpetually at the top of the z-order
- Use XPath on HTML documents
- Web Developer toolbar and DOM Inspector
- Support for handy CSS selectors and pseudo elements
- Better PNG support
position: fixed;- E4X
----- I just want you to be happy, That's my only little wish...
If FF has the support for all the latest advanced technologies, why is not compatible with a lot of simple websites out there ? and why does IE Scores there , though its not even near as good development environment as FF ? For a layman, A Web browser should display the web page properly first then only he can appreciate the advantages of tons of feature given by that browser. "Not everything that counts can be counted..." -Albert Einstein
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David Stone wrote:
you could always try out Greasemonkey and CPhog.
Yeah, I had been using it until 1.5, then it seemed to stop working (even after GM 0.6.4). I think I might've had an old version of CPhog though, just upgraded and after a few restarts it does seem to work. I didn't realize Quote Selected Text is different under CPhog. That's great, it does appear to work (as I just quoted you above) :cool: Now, how do I add my sig to Quick Reply?
Judah Himango wrote:
Now, how do I add my sig to Quick Reply?
Copy it from the box on your settings page and then paste it into the signature box on Quick Reply. :)
----- Calvin's my hero. It used to be Shog but then I saw where he made a programming mistake and admitted it publicly. I didn't know Shog made mistakes so now he's 2nd on "The All Time Hero List" and Calvin is back at #1. - code-frog, Calling Cookie Experts...
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Judah Himango wrote:
Now, how do I add my sig to Quick Reply?
Copy it from the box on your settings page and then paste it into the signature box on Quick Reply. :)
----- Calvin's my hero. It used to be Shog but then I saw where he made a programming mistake and admitted it publicly. I didn't know Shog made mistakes so now he's 2nd on "The All Time Hero List" and Calvin is back at #1. - code-frog, Calling Cookie Experts...
Ah, it doesn't save then?
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Ah, it doesn't save then?
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Judah Himango wrote:
Ah, it doesn't save then?
It does. Or at least...it should. Does on mine...
And that's not all. I just discovered this cool concept called "object oriented design". I can't wait to convert my subroutines to class methods! :-D -Ravi Bhavnani on finally installing XP SP2...in December 2005
