IS LAUREN A BIGOT?
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Christian Graus wrote: A Christian should show through action why walking with God is a positive thing Agreed. My statement was merely another way of saying the same thing. Christian Graus wrote: You seem to be thinking You obviously know nothing of what I think.
ahz wrote: You obviously know nothing of what I think. Well, that would be your fault. I can only judge your thoughts by your words. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Christian Graus wrote: Why ? Because she demands it of other people and it's a reasonable request. If you can't defend your opinion, then either keep it to yourself or say so. People cause bad stuff and often hide behind their religion to justify it. That doesn't mean religion caused it. That doesn't make that or any other religion necessarily bad.
ahz wrote: Because she demands it of other people and it's a reasonable request. If you can't defend your opinion, then either keep it to yourself or say so. I have never got the impression that Lauren has trouble defending her position. I believe her that in this case, she thought the link was funny. Just because it isn't to you ( or me ), doesn't mean it wasn't to her. Why not just take her at her word, instead of making yourself look bad with this carry on ? ahz wrote: People cause bad stuff and often hide behind their religion to justify it. That doesn't mean religion caused it. That doesn't make that or any other religion necessarily bad Agreed - but I understand how people who are not in any way religious would be less likely to make that seperation. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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ahz wrote: then it is incumbent upon that opinion holder/espouser to be able defend such opinions with thoughful, reasoned arguments. Why ? She doesn't even appear to be staning by the study as fact ? Why is she only allowed an opinion if she is able to meet your academic standard ? If she was being openly hateful, that would be different. She's not., ahz wrote: she holds that religion causes bad stuff Sadly, it often does. The Crusades, the KKK, Nazi Germany, child abuse by clery, you name it. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote: The Crusades, the KKK, Nazi Germany, child abuse by clery, Without going into this Laureen discussion, what religion caused Nazi Germany? Nazi means national socialism and they were driven by nationalism, not any religion. In fact, they were often quoting Darwin theory as a justification for their actions.
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posting anti-religous crap is bigotry in action
no, lauren is not a bigot, but you're most definitely an idiot... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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I don't consider that a "wrong" idea . :) ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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posting anti-religous crap is bigotry in action
I'm only seeing one bigot in this thread and that wouldn't change if lauren chose to post a reply here. Steve T
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posting anti-religous crap is bigotry in action
Ummm... no? Perhaps a better question you should ask yourself is: "Why am I obsessed with Lauren?" Seriously - think about it. The nature of your post isn't just to vent a frustration - it is specifically to solicit other people to express ill-will toward an individual. It's not enough for you to feel negatively toward Lauren - you want other people to feel negatively about her too. Why? Even if you had a beef with someone, why would you want to solicit others to share in your negative experience? What good does that do for you? I'm not surprised by the response you've gotten. I think many would read your post and wonder more "What's this guy's problem?" rather than "Wow, that person he attacked is really a bigot."
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I never said she can't have an opinion different than mine. Not that she needs my permission, but she can have and hold whatever opinions she wants to. But, if she, or anyone else for that matter, chooses to espouse those opinions, then it is incumbent upon that opinion holder/espouser to be able defend such opinions with thoughful, reasoned arguments. When opinions are made such that an entire class of people are denigrated, then that is not just an opinion, it becomes a stereotype. If someone were to say "green people are lazy" that certainly is an opionion, but it also makes that person a bigot when they hold to an opinion that is so easily disproved. So it is with lauren, she holds that religion causes bad stuff and posts a link of dubious quality to support such a dubious "opinion." When it is pointed out that the article she posted linked to is of poor quality she goes on the offensive and rather than apologize she attacks the individual.
Go find a definition of "bigot". An opinion, by it's very nature, cannot be proven or disproven in any sense of either term. An opinion is how someone feels about something, and may or may not be based on fact, experience, idea, intellect, or any other method by which they arrived at said opinion. A bigot is not simply someone that has an opinion which is wildly different from your own. I swear, the number of users that are registered here has significantly reduced the average IQ of the group as a whole. You're a bigger fuckin moron that I initially assumed and are probably a big contributer to the IQ drain... Lauren is much loved here, and anyone attacking her like this is going to call down the wrath of most of the other frequent users. Final point, dipshit - her post was in the soapbox, and you posting this crap in the lounge qualifies as stepping solidly on your dick. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Ummm... no? Perhaps a better question you should ask yourself is: "Why am I obsessed with Lauren?" Seriously - think about it. The nature of your post isn't just to vent a frustration - it is specifically to solicit other people to express ill-will toward an individual. It's not enough for you to feel negatively toward Lauren - you want other people to feel negatively about her too. Why? Even if you had a beef with someone, why would you want to solicit others to share in your negative experience? What good does that do for you? I'm not surprised by the response you've gotten. I think many would read your post and wonder more "What's this guy's problem?" rather than "Wow, that person he attacked is really a bigot."
Thank you for your well said and well thought-out post. It actually wasn't my intent to solicit negative input toward lauren. Rather, I wanted someone to defend her and her point of view. I have yet to see any post that successfully does so. Only attacks. But you have a good point. It was a wrong way to go about it. I sincerely apologize to you and everyone else and especially to lauren.
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I don't agree that it's just her opinion. Name-calling is not an opinion. It's bigotry. And calling someone a bigot is not name calling. It's factual.
Not necessarily. As a Transsexual Christian I know more about bigotry and intolerance in religion than many people, and what I saw was ill thought out opinionated remarks. Not bigotry by a long way. You both should also have posted in the Soapbox. This isn't the place. :rose: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Not necessarily. As a Transsexual Christian I know more about bigotry and intolerance in religion than many people, and what I saw was ill thought out opinionated remarks. Not bigotry by a long way. You both should also have posted in the Soapbox. This isn't the place. :rose: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
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posting anti-religous crap is bigotry in action
SOAPBOX - NOW!!!! :mad::mad::mad: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Go find a definition of "bigot". An opinion, by it's very nature, cannot be proven or disproven in any sense of either term. An opinion is how someone feels about something, and may or may not be based on fact, experience, idea, intellect, or any other method by which they arrived at said opinion. A bigot is not simply someone that has an opinion which is wildly different from your own. I swear, the number of users that are registered here has significantly reduced the average IQ of the group as a whole. You're a bigger fuckin moron that I initially assumed and are probably a big contributer to the IQ drain... Lauren is much loved here, and anyone attacking her like this is going to call down the wrath of most of the other frequent users. Final point, dipshit - her post was in the soapbox, and you posting this crap in the lounge qualifies as stepping solidly on your dick. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
yes, this coming from someone who just wants to stick is dick in lauren. her post was not in the soapbox, but rather here in the lounge. i stand by what i said, that lauren is a hateful anti-religous extremist bigot.
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Go find a definition of "bigot". An opinion, by it's very nature, cannot be proven or disproven in any sense of either term. An opinion is how someone feels about something, and may or may not be based on fact, experience, idea, intellect, or any other method by which they arrived at said opinion. A bigot is not simply someone that has an opinion which is wildly different from your own. I swear, the number of users that are registered here has significantly reduced the average IQ of the group as a whole. You're a bigger fuckin moron that I initially assumed and are probably a big contributer to the IQ drain... Lauren is much loved here, and anyone attacking her like this is going to call down the wrath of most of the other frequent users. Final point, dipshit - her post was in the soapbox, and you posting this crap in the lounge qualifies as stepping solidly on your dick. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
yes, this coming from someone who just wants to stick is dick in lauren. her post was not in the soapbox, but rather here in the lounge. i stand by what i said, that lauren is a hateful anti-religous extremist bigot.
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Go find a definition of "bigot". An opinion, by it's very nature, cannot be proven or disproven in any sense of either term. An opinion is how someone feels about something, and may or may not be based on fact, experience, idea, intellect, or any other method by which they arrived at said opinion. A bigot is not simply someone that has an opinion which is wildly different from your own. I swear, the number of users that are registered here has significantly reduced the average IQ of the group as a whole. You're a bigger fuckin moron that I initially assumed and are probably a big contributer to the IQ drain... Lauren is much loved here, and anyone attacking her like this is going to call down the wrath of most of the other frequent users. Final point, dipshit - her post was in the soapbox, and you posting this crap in the lounge qualifies as stepping solidly on your dick. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
yes, this coming from someone who just wants to stick is dick in lauren. her post was not in the soapbox, but rather here in the lounge. i stand by what i said, that lauren is a hateful anti-religous extremist bigot.
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SOAPBOX - NOW!!!! :mad::mad::mad: Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
yes dear
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Christian Graus wrote: The Crusades, the KKK, Nazi Germany, child abuse by clery, Without going into this Laureen discussion, what religion caused Nazi Germany? Nazi means national socialism and they were driven by nationalism, not any religion. In fact, they were often quoting Darwin theory as a justification for their actions.
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I was under the impression that the anti Semetic part of Nazism was religiously motivated. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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I was under the impression that the anti Semetic part of Nazism was religiously motivated. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
not to pick nits, but it was actually a anti-religiously motivated. Like you said, Christian Graus wrote: the anti Semetic part of Nazism That's the "ultimate" place where anti-religiousity ends up.
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since i hang out in the lounge for light relief, to get away from the stresses of the day, and to chat with the few people here i have started to get to know i tend to ignore the "heavy" threads. as a result i don't have any direct dealings with Lauren, but she does seem capable of holding a reasoned opinion and partaking in an intelligent debate. i am not sure how often that happens, but i have seen it happen. in contrast your post lowers you in my eyes, thus raising the relative level of Lauren, and everyone else in the lounge i pay attention to. it just goes to show, the world can be a strange and mysterious place. zen is the art of being at one with the two'ness
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