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  • M Marc Clifton

    When did responsibility and accountability become separated? No wonder this model died a death so deep it can't be found googling. What you looking it up for? Is this for a new Vista team management model? ;P Marc

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    Tom Archer
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    Actually I disagree with that. Responsibility and accountability are veyr much different. For example, many people were responsible for the success of the Vista Dev Center - content strategy, site management, document, etc. However, there's only one person that "owns" it in terms of accountability - the ultimate decision maker - which was me. Therefore, it if failed, I would get fired.

    Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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    • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

      Marc Clifton wrote:

      Is this for a new Vista team management model?

      I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately:) -- modified at 14:38 Tuesday 1st August, 2006


      My Blog

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      I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit :)

      Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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      • T Tom Archer

        Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

        Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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        Is this what you are looking for, or is methodology too new ? http://www.enterprise-architecture.info/Images/Architecture%20Score%20Card/Architecture%20Score%20Card%20UK.htm[^]

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        • T Tom Archer

          Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

          Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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          Wjousts
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          We use RACI R = Responsible A = Accountable C = Consulted (offers advice or opinions) I = Informed (kept in the loop) Might you D be some variation of our I?

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          • C Chris Maunder

            D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

            cheers, Chris Maunder

            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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            Paul Conrad
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            Chris Maunder wrote:

            D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

            :laugh: Have run across those types.


            That's no moon, it's a space station. - Obi-wan Kenobi

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            • T Tom Archer

              I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit :)

              Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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              Josh Smith
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              Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

              I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit

              Ouch! :laugh:

              :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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                Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

                I don't take Marc too seriously. He just comes across a bit close-minded if someone has a different opinion than him - so in other words, he's more normal that he'd like to admit

                Ouch! :laugh:

                :josh: My WPF Blog[^]

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                Josh Smith wrote:

                Ouch!

                And you wonder why I don't like him. Actually, I have some other reasons. Marc

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                People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
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                • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                  Is this for a new Vista team management model?

                  I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately:) -- modified at 14:38 Tuesday 1st August, 2006


                  My Blog

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                  Marc Clifton
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                  Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                  I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately

                  Well, he did get a lot of flack for that sig, which you will note, he did change. Marc

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                  Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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                  • T Tom Archer

                    Actually I disagree with that. Responsibility and accountability are veyr much different. For example, many people were responsible for the success of the Vista Dev Center - content strategy, site management, document, etc. However, there's only one person that "owns" it in terms of accountability - the ultimate decision maker - which was me. Therefore, it if failed, I would get fired.

                    Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                    Marc Clifton
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                    Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

                    Responsibility and accountability are veyr much different.

                    I choose to be close-minded on that view. ;P Marc

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                    Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                      cheers, Chris Maunder

                      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                      D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                      a.k.a. delegator.


                      "Money talks. When my money starts to talk, I get a bill to shut it up." - Frank

                      "Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb

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                      • T Tom Archer

                        Years ago a popular mechanism for determining the various roles of different people in the company and their impact or relationship to the product being developed was defined using CARD. C = Concerned (Interested, but no direct impact) A = Accountable (Basically this person is fired if it fails) R = Responsible (People that do the work) D = ??? (Can't remember, but probably the people impacted by the product) Does anyone remember this and can give me a link to it's formal definition? Also, I believe another similar acronym took its place a few years back, but I can't recall its name either.

                        Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                        C = Corporate R = Rhetoric U = Updated D = Daily ;P

                        '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          D = Deflector (Someone who deflects the responsibility and actual work onto others while taking credit for the final product)

                          cheers, Chris Maunder

                          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                          Christopher Duncan
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                          :laugh: "Scotty, Deflectors up!" "Captain, I'm concerned that the person responsible for the dilithium crystals appears to be smoking them. I canna be held accountable for wha' happens if you keep them up too long..."

                          Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com

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                          • M Marc Clifton

                            Josh Smith wrote:

                            Ouch!

                            And you wonder why I don't like him. Actually, I have some other reasons. Marc

                            XPressTier

                            Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                            People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                            There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                            Dude, you don't even know me - and are too closed-minded to even try so I'll return you to your life of alternating between bitching about those that judge you and judging others.

                            Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                              Is this what you are looking for, or is methodology too new ? http://www.enterprise-architecture.info/Images/Architecture%20Score%20Card/Architecture%20Score%20Card%20UK.htm[^]

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                              Tom Archer
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                              Thanks Richard!

                              Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                              • W Wjousts

                                We use RACI R = Responsible A = Accountable C = Consulted (offers advice or opinions) I = Informed (kept in the loop) Might you D be some variation of our I?

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                                Tom Archer
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                                Yeah, that's it :rolleyes: :) -- modified at 13:58 Thursday 3rd August, 2006

                                Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                • M Marc Clifton

                                  Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                                  I notice that you are being bad to Tom lately

                                  Well, he did get a lot of flack for that sig, which you will note, he did change. Marc

                                  XPressTier

                                  Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                                  People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                  There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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                                  Tom Archer
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                                  Yep. I made a mistake, owned up to it as soon as someone drew my attention to it and fixed it immediately. I can definitely see where that makes me terrible :rolleyes:

                                  Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                  • T Tom Archer

                                    Dude, you don't even know me - and are too closed-minded to even try so I'll return you to your life of alternating between bitching about those that judge you and judging others.

                                    Tom Archer (blog) Program Manager - Windows SDK Headers, Libraries & Tools MICROSOFT

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                                    Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:

                                    Dude, you don't even know me - and are too closed-minded to even try so I'll return you to your life of alternating between bitching about those that judge you and judging others.

                                    :-D Marc

                                    XPressTier

                                    Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
                                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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