Is this a good thing?
-
I'm going to agree with Joergen here. Make it look less DNN-ish. ;P
And I get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again
David Stone wrote:
Make it look less DNN-ish.
Hell, what it needs is a professional web designer! Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
I think you should replace the DNN-theme with something that doesn't look like DNN. ;) (When I signed up for CP, it never agreed to stay on topic!)
-- Deciphered from crop circles
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I think you should replace the DNN-theme with something that doesn't look like DNN.
Agreed. Sigh. A web designer I am not. :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
David Stone wrote:
Make it look less DNN-ish.
Hell, what it needs is a professional web designer! Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMaybe the Grand Negus has Active English Pages for ya? "Background is blue. The rest looks fabulous!"
-- Please rise for the Futurama theme song
-
Maybe the Grand Negus has Active English Pages for ya? "Background is blue. The rest looks fabulous!"
-- Please rise for the Futurama theme song
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Maybe the Grand Negus has Active English Pages for ya?
You read my mind. :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
I'll take the challenge. Is there a demo version of the compiler that I can download and have a play around with? If there is, I'm willing to give it a go (and come back and give an impartial review).
the last thing I want to see is some pasty-faced geek with skin so pale that it's almost translucent trying to bump parts with a partner - John Simmons / outlaw programmer
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
I'll take the challenge. Is there a demo version of the compiler that I can download and have a play around with? If there is, I'm willing to give it a go (and come back and give an impartial review).
If you're serious about undertaking such a thing - it's 25,000 lines in Plain English, plus the time it will take you to formulate your review - write me with an email address and I'll give you a link to the whole shebang. We don't have a "demo" version because we think time- and/or feature-limited programs are nothing but a nuisance. You can reach me here: help@osmosian.com or you can use the email button below.
-
Those aren't rules; those are "guidelines". Rules for behavior must be agreed to by the governed (or their representatives) before they become effective - at least in the United States. I wasn't asked to agree to anything when I joined here.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Those aren't rules; those are "guidelines"
Semantics designed to divert attention, but it doesn't work! X|
The Grand Negus wrote:
at least in the United States
What makes you think anyone cares how things are done in the US? :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
I wasn't asked to agree to anything when I joined here.
It was assumed, incorrectly with respect to you, that you were joining to benefit from interacting with a diverse group of people. :doh:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
-
The Grand Negus wrote:
Those aren't rules; those are "guidelines"
Semantics designed to divert attention, but it doesn't work! X|
The Grand Negus wrote:
at least in the United States
What makes you think anyone cares how things are done in the US? :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
I wasn't asked to agree to anything when I joined here.
It was assumed, incorrectly with respect to you, that you were joining to benefit from interacting with a diverse group of people. :doh:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
JimmyRopes wrote:
It was assumed, incorrectly with respect to you, that you were joining to benefit from interacting with a diverse group of people.
You're right. That's not why we joined, and that's not why we're still here. We're looking, as I've stated on many occasions, for disciples who want to learn our ways and help us with a very difficult and lengthy quest. See our brief Manifesto (www.osmosian.com/manifesto.pdf) for details. Our contribution to this site, nevertheless, is manifold: new and different ideas, lively discussions, sage advice, and free (and nearly-free) software suitable for detailed study and emulation. We've also written three articles that were, unfortunately, deleted.
-
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Okay - I saw that thread before it was deleted and some of your other recent posts and I figured that at least you were staying on-topic. When the topic didn't directly invoke anything that could do with your Plain English compiler you didn't mention it. When it did mention something you did. Which I think is fair enough. So long as you are actively taking part in the site I don't have a problem with you mentioning your PE compiler from time-to-time. However, for some people I think it has become a bit like the boy who cried wolf. You cried out over and over about your Plain English compiler so often that people are tired of hearing about it. They want to ignore those comments and they want to remove them from the site, so they report it as spam. Just as in the story the villagers thought the boy was spamming them about the presence of a wolf. I think that because of the unfortunate reputation that you seem to have built up you need to be a bit more canny about mentioning your PE compiler.
Wouldn't it be better if the "some people" you mention could simply be as reasonable as you? Or are you so much better than these others that I shouldn't expect them to respond in the same fair and balanced way? Either you're right (in your response to my post) and they're wrong, or vice-versa. I think you're right, and therefore don't see any need to change. On the other hand, if if turns out that you're unusually and exeptionally and super-humanly meek and understanding and reasonable, and they're just "plain old folks", then I should change to meet these others where they are. The fact is, I don't think reading a post and judging it on its merits - or ignoring it with or without reading it (my name's in the title) - is a super-human feat in any context. And therefore I do expect my fellow men to act like you; in fact, I think it's their duty to do so.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Either you're right (in your response to my post) and they're wrong, or vice-versa. I think you're right, and therefore don't see any need to change. On the other hand, if if turns out that you're unusually and exeptionally and super-humanly meek and understanding and reasonable, and they're just "plain old folks", then I should change to meet these others where they are.
You just don't like to make friends do you?
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
I can't always be wrong ... or can I? -
JimmyRopes wrote:
It was assumed, incorrectly with respect to you, that you were joining to benefit from interacting with a diverse group of people.
You're right. That's not why we joined, and that's not why we're still here. We're looking, as I've stated on many occasions, for disciples who want to learn our ways and help us with a very difficult and lengthy quest. See our brief Manifesto (www.osmosian.com/manifesto.pdf) for details. Our contribution to this site, nevertheless, is manifold: new and different ideas, lively discussions, sage advice, and free (and nearly-free) software suitable for detailed study and emulation. We've also written three articles that were, unfortunately, deleted.
The Grand Negus wrote:
We're looking, as I've stated on many occasions, for disciples who want to learn our ways and help us with a very difficult and lengthy quest.
Therein lays your problem. :rolleyes:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
-
The Grand Negus wrote:
Either you're right (in your response to my post) and they're wrong, or vice-versa. I think you're right, and therefore don't see any need to change. On the other hand, if if turns out that you're unusually and exeptionally and super-humanly meek and understanding and reasonable, and they're just "plain old folks", then I should change to meet these others where they are.
You just don't like to make friends do you?
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
I can't always be wrong ... or can I?CaveFox wrote:
You just don't like to make friends do you?
No, I don't. As I've said many times before on these forums, I'm not here to make friends; I'm looking for disciples. I'm not looking for people who fit in here - I'm looking for the ones who don't. I'm looking for a few choice individuals to help me develop something significant before I go the way of all flesh. People who can think clearly, unemotionally, and creatively with extreme focus. People, in short, who are willing to learn and able to get things done. I've got no time or interest in contentious, undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, beligerant, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals who do not want to improve themselves and their situation. Been there, done that. Waste of time.
-
So you are unemployed then? -- modified at 10:21 Monday 1st January, 2007
Brad Australian -CAUTION- The previous statement may contain traces of PHP, and by reading this statement you negate the right to vote me down.
LOL...no I'm employed.
"When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not ask, `Who is destroying the world?' You are."
-Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand -
CaveFox wrote:
You just don't like to make friends do you?
No, I don't. As I've said many times before on these forums, I'm not here to make friends; I'm looking for disciples. I'm not looking for people who fit in here - I'm looking for the ones who don't. I'm looking for a few choice individuals to help me develop something significant before I go the way of all flesh. People who can think clearly, unemotionally, and creatively with extreme focus. People, in short, who are willing to learn and able to get things done. I've got no time or interest in contentious, undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, beligerant, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals who do not want to improve themselves and their situation. Been there, done that. Waste of time.
The Grand Negus wrote:
People, in short, who are willing to learn and able to get things done. I've got no time or interest in contentious, undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, beligerant, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals who do not want to improve themselves and their situation
And who decides who is "undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, belligerent, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals"? You have no idea who I am (or any other person in this forum). Basically what is comes down to ... you think you are better than us? Every body has their own ideas/ideals and if they don't like you "helping people to understand your product" let it be. I checked some of your posts (and maybe you should read some of it your self) and almost every one has the words "Plain English" in it. If you find it so damn frustrating to add to the codeproject experience then leave? It's not that hard.
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
I can't always be wrong ... or can I? -
JimmyRopes wrote:
Making obscure references to the bible are offensive to some; including me.
If we remove everything that is offensive to anyone, there will be nothing left. The Bible is a well known piece of literature and saying that it shouldn't be referenced here (or anywhere) is ridiculous - if the exact words I'm looking for are in there, why shouldn't I quote them? It's called "free speech", and disallowing such free speech on a public forum is called "religious discrimination" which, in my country, is considered a crime.
JimmyRopes wrote:
Please show some compassion to your fellow “loungers” who have very different belief systems and respect the diversity that is the lounge.
But you've just shown a lack of "compassion" regarding my beliefs and you've further attempted to reduce the diversity of the lounge by disallowing a quote from one of the most famous and widely-read books in the world! Censorship is censorship, whether you're censoring a popular and well-known work or something more obscure.
JimmyRopes wrote:
Did it ever occur to you that it may be considered advertising?
No. There was nothing in the post except a free offer of help.
The Grand Negus wrote:
If we remove everything that is offensive to anyone, there will be nothing left.
There are appropriate forums on this site, namely the Soap Box, where you can be as offensive as you like. :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
The Bible is a well known piece of literature and saying that it shouldn't be referenced here (or anywhere) is ridiculous
Soap Box! :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
It's called "free speech", and disallowing such free speech on a public forum is called "religious discrimination" which, in my country, is considered a crime.
Does it ever occur to you that people may not care how the US does things? :doh: When did CP move to the US? :omg: Are the rest of the world still invited or is it an exclusive US club these days? :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
But you've just shown a lack of "compassion" regarding my beliefs and you've further attempted to reduce the diversity of the lounge by disallowing a quote from one of the most famous and widely-read books in the world!
Soap Box! :rolleyes:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
-
The Grand Negus wrote:
People, in short, who are willing to learn and able to get things done. I've got no time or interest in contentious, undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, beligerant, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals who do not want to improve themselves and their situation
And who decides who is "undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, belligerent, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals"? You have no idea who I am (or any other person in this forum). Basically what is comes down to ... you think you are better than us? Every body has their own ideas/ideals and if they don't like you "helping people to understand your product" let it be. I checked some of your posts (and maybe you should read some of it your self) and almost every one has the words "Plain English" in it. If you find it so damn frustrating to add to the codeproject experience then leave? It's not that hard.
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
I can't always be wrong ... or can I?CaveFox wrote:
And who decides who is "undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, belligerent, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals"?
Everybody and anybody, based (hopefully) on the evidence available to them. People make judgements about other people all the time. You, for example, have made a number of judgements about me based on my posts here.
CaveFox wrote:
almost every one has the words "Plain English" in it.
Right. That is the product that we are offering as "proof of concept" regarding our theories, our practices, and our goals. It appears in nearly every post because we're looking for people who are interested in those theories, practices, and goals, as I've said before.
CaveFox wrote:
If you find it so damn frustrating to add to the codeproject experience then leave? It's not that hard.
But we have and are "adding to the CodeProject experience". Just not in the usual or expected way (diversity is a great thing, yes?). As I've said elsewhere in this thread, our contribution to this site is unique and manifold: new and different ideas, lively discussions, sage advice, and free (and nearly-free) software suitable for detailed study and emulation. We've also written three articles that were, unfortunately, deleted.
-
The Grand Negus wrote:
If we remove everything that is offensive to anyone, there will be nothing left.
There are appropriate forums on this site, namely the Soap Box, where you can be as offensive as you like. :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
The Bible is a well known piece of literature and saying that it shouldn't be referenced here (or anywhere) is ridiculous
Soap Box! :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
It's called "free speech", and disallowing such free speech on a public forum is called "religious discrimination" which, in my country, is considered a crime.
Does it ever occur to you that people may not care how the US does things? :doh: When did CP move to the US? :omg: Are the rest of the world still invited or is it an exclusive US club these days? :rolleyes:
The Grand Negus wrote:
But you've just shown a lack of "compassion" regarding my beliefs and you've further attempted to reduce the diversity of the lounge by disallowing a quote from one of the most famous and widely-read books in the world!
Soap Box! :rolleyes:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
JimmyRopes wrote:
Does it ever occur to you that people may not care how the US does things?
Sure. But I'm not saying free speech is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work. I'm not saying the right to express religious views is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good thing in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work. There are many things right and wrong about any country. But unnecessarily and artificially limiting who can say what, where and when is definitely a step in the wrong direction that should be resisted by all good men.
-
CaveFox wrote:
And who decides who is "undisciplined, lazy, cowardly, belligerent, sloppy, or otherwise defective individuals"?
Everybody and anybody, based (hopefully) on the evidence available to them. People make judgements about other people all the time. You, for example, have made a number of judgements about me based on my posts here.
CaveFox wrote:
almost every one has the words "Plain English" in it.
Right. That is the product that we are offering as "proof of concept" regarding our theories, our practices, and our goals. It appears in nearly every post because we're looking for people who are interested in those theories, practices, and goals, as I've said before.
CaveFox wrote:
If you find it so damn frustrating to add to the codeproject experience then leave? It's not that hard.
But we have and are "adding to the CodeProject experience". Just not in the usual or expected way (diversity is a great thing, yes?). As I've said elsewhere in this thread, our contribution to this site is unique and manifold: new and different ideas, lively discussions, sage advice, and free (and nearly-free) software suitable for detailed study and emulation. We've also written three articles that were, unfortunately, deleted.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Everybody and anybody, based (hopefully) on the evidence available to them. People make judgements about other people all the time. You, for example, have made a number of judgements about me based on my posts here. That is the product that we are offering as "proof of concept" regarding our theories, our practices, and our goals. It appears in nearly every post because we're looking for people who are interested in those theories, practices, and goals, as I've said before.
I am sorry it was not intended to sound like that or judge you. I just meant to point out that your posts did kinda sound like advertising.
The Grand Negus wrote:
our contribution to this site is unique and manifold: new and different ideas
There is nothing wrong with that and people that don't like it might be close minded. Personally I always like to learn/try something new. If you need somebody to help test or preferably help code a module, feel free to contact me :-D
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
I can't always be wrong ... or can I? -
The Grand Negus wrote:
Everybody and anybody, based (hopefully) on the evidence available to them. People make judgements about other people all the time. You, for example, have made a number of judgements about me based on my posts here. That is the product that we are offering as "proof of concept" regarding our theories, our practices, and our goals. It appears in nearly every post because we're looking for people who are interested in those theories, practices, and goals, as I've said before.
I am sorry it was not intended to sound like that or judge you. I just meant to point out that your posts did kinda sound like advertising.
The Grand Negus wrote:
our contribution to this site is unique and manifold: new and different ideas
There is nothing wrong with that and people that don't like it might be close minded. Personally I always like to learn/try something new. If you need somebody to help test or preferably help code a module, feel free to contact me :-D
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
I can't always be wrong ... or can I?CaveFox wrote:
Personally I always like to learn/try something new.
Good.
CaveFox wrote:
If you need somebody to help test or preferably help code a module, feel free to contact me
All our code is written in Plain English, so the first step is to familiarize yourself with the development environment. If you're really interested, write me at help@osmosian.com and I'll get you started. And if you haven't already, read the Manifesto on our website (www.osmosian.com) to get a better idea of our goals and how we hope to achieve them.
-
JimmyRopes wrote:
Does it ever occur to you that people may not care how the US does things?
Sure. But I'm not saying free speech is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work. I'm not saying the right to express religious views is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good thing in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work. There are many things right and wrong about any country. But unnecessarily and artificially limiting who can say what, where and when is definitely a step in the wrong direction that should be resisted by all good men.
The Grand Negus wrote:
But I'm not saying free speech is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work.
Just don't say anything politically incorrect, say a racial slur, or a religious slight, or you may find out that the US pays lip service to free speech but the facts on the ground may be quite a different story.
The Grand Negus wrote:
I'm not saying the right to express religious views is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good thing in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work.
Soap Box!
The Grand Negus wrote:
But unnecessarily and artificially limiting who can say what, where and when is definitely a step in the wrong direction that should be resisted by all good men.
That is one of the more lucid things I have ever heard you say, but again you miss the point. You are not limited as to what you can say in the appropriate forum. It is just that the lounge, by convention, isn't the place for open discussion on every topic. Does that make the lounge inherently evil? I think not! It just means that it is not open to free discourse, presumably, to make it a friendlier place for all the members of CP to relax. Would it be appropriate to go into a church and demand that the minister extend equal time to a discussion of devil worship? If you want spirited discussion go to the appropriate forum, don't try to mold the lounge into something it is not intended to be.
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
-
The Grand Negus wrote:
But I'm not saying free speech is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work.
Just don't say anything politically incorrect, say a racial slur, or a religious slight, or you may find out that the US pays lip service to free speech but the facts on the ground may be quite a different story.
The Grand Negus wrote:
I'm not saying the right to express religious views is good because it exists in the USA; I'm saying it's good thing in general, for all men; the USA is just an example of the policy at work.
Soap Box!
The Grand Negus wrote:
But unnecessarily and artificially limiting who can say what, where and when is definitely a step in the wrong direction that should be resisted by all good men.
That is one of the more lucid things I have ever heard you say, but again you miss the point. You are not limited as to what you can say in the appropriate forum. It is just that the lounge, by convention, isn't the place for open discussion on every topic. Does that make the lounge inherently evil? I think not! It just means that it is not open to free discourse, presumably, to make it a friendlier place for all the members of CP to relax. Would it be appropriate to go into a church and demand that the minister extend equal time to a discussion of devil worship? If you want spirited discussion go to the appropriate forum, don't try to mold the lounge into something it is not intended to be.
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
JimmyRopes wrote:
If you want spirited discussion go to the appropriate forum, don't try to mold the lounge into something it is not intended to be.
Agreed. The problem I think, in this particular case, was that the thread got way off topic. And because (see below) I don't have a firm line in my head between "religious" and "secular" topics...
JimmyRopes wrote:
Would it be appropriate to go into a church and demand that the minister extend equal time to a discussion of devil worship?
I've pastored a home church for nearly 20 years now and I think church is exactly the place where a discussion of devil worship should take place! We've discussed pretty much anything and everything in our group... which is exactly why we abandoned the "organized church" for the home church setting in the first place.
-
A couple of days ago a guy asked for assistance "getting over the beginner hump" in the General Discussions forum. He's a C# programmer; his request said, "I am looking for something that would walk a person through completion of a mildly complex program, starting from the design and planning phase and ending with a final release product." I offered to walk him through a re-write of our Plain English development system in C# - without cost or obligation. This offer was met, surprisingly, with strong resistance and nasty remarks from many; and - thankfully - with a few words of support from others. Fine; everyone has an opinion. But then the offer was "reported as spam or abuse" and deleted by the powers that be. Is this a good thing?
Here we go again. We have discussed this with you so many times it's on the point of being ridiculous. Let me summarise some of your posts below. "It's the reference manual that comes with our product, together with the source code for a significant working example, and which was offered here, to any member, for free, for eight consecutive months." The Code Project is a place to post Visual Studio and .NET articles, with the aim being to share source code so that other developers can learn how to code. We do not support articles that do not provide full source code (apart from a small number of older articles that we like so much we don't have the heart to remove), or articles that do not focus on Visual Studio and .NET. This isn't because we don't like other languages or technologies, but rather because we have chosen to focus and not be a "every technology under the sun" site. Post full source code for your compiler, for free, in a form that is compatible with Visual Studio and you can post as many articles as you want and answer questions in forums with reference to your article. "There are no rules on this site. ... Those aren't rules; those are "guidelines". Rules for behavior must be agreed to by the governed (or their representatives) before they become effective" You're confusing rules with a contract (and simply being argumentative). We have rules and we have explained them again and again. If you want me to provide you with a contract for you to sign before you can use our site then fine. That just really weirds me out, though, that you honetly feel this way. "The owner does not, in my opinion, have the "right to edit or otherwise alter any post or content" because that, in effect, may put words in the poster's mouth that are not an accurate representation of the poster's views. You, for example, wouldn't want Maunder adding some curse-words or a meaning-altering "not" to the sentence above, would you?" And we do not edit posts. We (and our infrastructure) delete or moves them. It comes down to this: We are here to: a) Help developers in their Visual Studio and .NET development b) Allow authors to showcase their Visual Studio and .NET talents c) Focus on Visual Studio and .NET in order to keep things simple for everyone I've put everything I have in me for the last 7 years to stay on track with these goals. If someone decides they have an agenda they want to push and I feel they are abusing or taking advantage of us or our site then I ensure th