Is this a good thing?

[El Corazon]

The Grand Negus wrote:

I've always known that this site catered to C-style programmers; but when I see a forum with a description that invites discussion of "anything relevant... to the developer community as a whole" I just can't resist. And when I see one of those "developers, students, or those looking for help" that you mention floundering around in a pool of confusion, I feel it's my duty to offer what assistance I can.

The vast ocean lets fish leap freely; the endless sky lets birds fly freely. The fish do not seek lost fish in the sky; nor the birds seek for lost birds in the ocean. If you knew you were out of place. A fish out of water gasps in pain for he cannot breath air. A bird in the ocean will drown, for he cannot breath water. You reject the reactions that come from your own actions, like a bird complaining to the fish because he cannot breath water, while demanding that they somehow allow him to breath water.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

A true disciple, a true student, is won by respect, not religious dogma.

Are you quite sure? "The Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumblingblock, and to the Greeks foolishness; but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."

Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

A river flows downhill, it follows the laws of gravity. Through valleys and past mountains it meanders. It does not seek to force the mountains to move, it does not demand to roll uphill. It is the greatest teacher of all, for its force is unmistakably strong. But it does bend, it respects the world around it, and the laws that govern it. It adapts, it moves with the wind, and with the changing landscape, just as it also changes the landscape on its own. A true teacher is like a river, adapting, learning also, not demanding that the world change for it.

Very poetic. But I can't buy it. One of my masters warned me that "whosoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God" and I believe he was right. The world, Jeffry, is wrong about almost everything (which explains why things are such a universal mess). So I'm not at all interested in "adapting" to the world; I've accepted the fact that I'm a stranger and a pilgrim here and will be until the day I die. Until then, I'm just the voice of one crying in the wilderness, "Make straight the way..."

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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

The fish do not seek lost fish in the sky; nor the birds seek for lost birds in the ocean.

Bad analogy on this one, Jeffry. If "C" programmers are sharks, then Plain English programmers are dolphins or whales - but certainly not sparrows!

[El Corazon]

The Grand Negus wrote:

One of my masters warned me that "whosoever will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God" and I believe he was right.

Then he warned you to give up, and die. For you are of the world, and the world is of you. If the world is your enemy, then you also are your own enemy, so is your compiler, which is of the world, so are all of your posts, demanding to be part of the world here. So then you are the hypocrite here, demanding to be part of the world you hate, and of which your master told you is evil, you are standing among us demanding to be your own version of evil.

The Grand Negus wrote:

Until then, I'm just the voice of one crying in the wilderness, "Make straight the way..."

There is a difference between watching the mind and controlling the mind. Watching the mind with a gentle, open attitude allows the mind to settle down and come to rest. Trying to control the mind, or trying to control the way one's spiritual practice will unfold, just stirs up more agitation and suffering.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

[El Corazon]

The Grand Negus wrote:

then Plain English programmers are dolphins or whales

sorry, dolphins can understand fractions, geodetic locations, and massively large number theory. PE would be the simplest of creatures... by your own definition, they would be jelly fish, demanding the ocean turn in their direction. Whales and dolphins understand adaption, you yourself say "make straight the way", therefore you are the jelly fish, demanding the ocean currents bend to your will, and cursing them for not doing so.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

[J4amieC]

CaveFox wrote:

If you need somebody to help test or preferably help code a module, feel free to contact me

I give you...oooh 5 minutes until you laugh when you see this guys work.

--- How to get answers to your questions[^]

[Paul Watson]

Rohde wrote:

the police of the Internet

Was I away during Chris' hostile take-over of the internet? Wow!

regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

Shog9 wrote:

I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.

[Phil Harding]

Rohde wrote:

I'd rather read about the Plain English Compiler.....than the stupid "It's Friday"-threads

Here here, for [insert deity here] sake, we all know when it's friday :rolleyes:

Phil Harding.
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[Phil Harding]

He's got some good points there Chris :) BackPedaler bp = new BackPedaler(); bp.initialise(); while(bp.BitingTongue) {    bp.pedal(); }

Phil Harding.
myBlog [^]  |  mySite [^]

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Hey Jeffry! Here's something ironically humorous, since we were discussing "disciples" elsewhere in this thread. I just noticed that the guy who posted below (Phil Harding) says in his profile here, and I quote, "Since discovering Windows in the early 90's I've never looked back and consider myself to be a fully paid-up practising disciple of the Microsoft church." I guess the Osmosian Order isn't the only one proselytizing around here!:)

[El Corazon]

The Grand Negus wrote:

I guess the Osmosian Order isn't the only one proselytizing around here!

he was joking, you are proselytizing. :rolleyes:

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

he was joking, you are proselytizing.

True, and not true. Phil may be joking, but Maunder isn't; he's very serious about "converting" the world to Microsoft's way of thinking and doing. And while it's true that I am proselytizing, I'm clearly doing so with a distinct sense of humor. Do you think I call myself "Grand Negus" - offering my hairy ears as justification for the title - because I think that will make people take me seriously?

[El Corazon]

The Grand Negus wrote:

but Maunder isn't; he's very serious about "converting" the world to Microsoft's way of thinking and doing.

Build your own servers, build your own site, create your own forum written in PE, and then you won't have to bother Maunder on the machines he pays for. You might as well go into Microsoft owned buildings and start yelling at everyone to convert to PE. Only then you would find yourself arrested for disturbing the peace, tresspassing, or any number of other minor crimes that prevent you from proselytizing on private property EVEN IN THE USA.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

[JimmyRopes]

Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

Your suggestion fails to meet the needs of the original poster asking for assistance.

I think the original poster is a ruse, see posters profile[^] I would not be surprised if "hpjchobbes" is "Negus", (or as someone else pointed out "The Grand Nag Us" :laugh:) trying a new scheme to advertise his wares. X| It is just a bit suspect that this "hpjchobbes" joins on December 30th and posts this great segue for advertising, yet again, some cult software product. :~ Both posts were to the same thread; one to start it and the other to give thanks for the reply. Sounds like a setup. :rolleyes: Where is "hpjchobbes" by the way; he, I presume it is a he, posted this question within minutes of joining and didn’t even have the courtesy to reply to any of the other respondents except this one? :| Next "hpjchobbes" will be referencing bible passages illustrating how once he was lost but has read the manifesto and now has seen the light. :rolleyes:

I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes

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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

Only then you would find yourself arrested for disturbing the peace, tresspassing, or any number of other minor crimes that prevent you from proselytizing on private property EVEN IN THE USA.

Right. Which is along the same lines as my closing remarks to Maunder above. The physical world works as well as it does because there are legal and inforceable definitions of things such as "trespassing". The virtual world of the internet doesn't work quite right because the uninhibited "free exchange of information" is in conflict with various rights of individuals and limitations necessary to make the thing operate smoothly. Eventually, Maunder will have to either force out people who don't fit his profile, or not let them in in the first place. Right now, he's got a problem because he's not fully willing to do either - he lets anyone in to bump the member count, and doesn't decrement it when someone leaves under any conditions; in fact, there is no user-accessible facility for leaving. And so we get mixed messages (which I, admittedly, am taking advantage of). When this site is clearly a Microsoft-only site, and one is required to agree to stated conditions in order to become a CodeProject disciple (sorry, member), I'll be excluded simply because I won't accept those terms; and if I did appear in that future CodeProject, I'd be quickly ejected as a trespasser. But CodeProject is not, yet, such a place; many here who joined when it was different still wish it was more diverse, like it was when they first became members (see the Suggestion forum for evidence). In other words, it seems like Maunder gathered his membership under one pretense, but is now attempting to implement the "hidden agenda" on which he has been working so hard for seven years.

[JimmyRopes]

The Grand Negus wrote:

The only time I've "cried for the referee" is when a post product endorsement got deleted because that gives an unfair advantage to the "lumpers" and makes the free exchange of ideas advertisement of my product impossible .

:doh::doh::doh:

I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes

[El Corazon]

The Grand Negus wrote:

The virtual world of the internet doesn't work quite right because the uninhibited "free exchange of information" is in conflict with various rights of individuals and limitations necessary to make the thing operate smoothly.

On the contrary, as has been shown, legally in US and other country courts, granting permission to "use" a computer on a temporary basis (forum, or website, etc.) does not give a person complete and total use, nor complete freedom to do as they choose. The same rules apply, in the real world, as the virtual, computer tresspass has been used under real-world physical tresspass rules. The existance of a welcome mat, does not mean you have a right to enter the house, so too the existance of a forum does not mean you can do as you want either. Nor does he really have to be consistant, because it is his computers. You can complain all you want, but just as if he asked you to leave his house, if he asks you to leave his computer, you are compelled to do so through legal means. Although it is more difficult to enforce and not worth his effort, you are in the wrong when asked to stop, you should, because you are in his house, his computer. You are being rude, you are the one in the wrong. There are few digital laws regarding computer tresspass, which is why modern extensions of physical laws have been applied. These are usually only applied where damage has been done, or restricted files read, they do not ONLY apply to those actions, they are simply using those physical laws for reference in the virtual. Therefore, you are simply lucky that the court systems would be overrun with rude people being taken to court for computer tresspass due to unethical concepts within their own mind and upbringing.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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I'm just saying we joined under one set of rules and expectations - money changing hands for the purchase of advertisements indicating some kind of agreement - and are now being asked to leave under a different set of rules. That's all. But as I said before, when Maunder finally succeeds in eliminating everything non-Microsoft from his site, we will also be gone. It would be interesting, however, to poll all of the members to find out if they are really in favor of this "mutation" into a Microsoft-only site. Such a poll, carefully conducted, would also provide a great opportunity to "clean up" the membership roster, eliminating duplicates, frauds, and others who have been inactive for a long time!

[El Corazon]

The Grand Negus wrote:

But as I said before, when Maunder finally succeeds in eliminating everything non-Microsoft from his site, we will also be gone.

So you could go into a Microsoft building and demand to speak as long as they support OpenGL? Seems pretty petty. But what ever unethical behavior thrills you, go for it, but don't expect to be received well. You are treated as you treat others here, you get back all the rudeness you put out, only you complain as if you are the innocent. You are far from it, simply another rude extension of Kyle, only older, and should know better. Perhaps you should recruite him, he's just your style.

_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:

You are far from it, simply another rude extension of Kyle, only older, and should know better.

But we all know that Kyle is a mythical figure, while the Grand Negus of the Osmosian Order of Plain English Programmers is a real person who lives in an Ivory Tower surrounded by the serfs who, in season, faithfully labor to harvest the sweet-smelling hay that grows in the soft, green meadows that adorn his hillside estate... Rats! Where is that literary Shog when I need him!