$10,000 for open source .NET managed code

Jim Crafton

Well first of all none of your arguments are relevant - one can be a brilliant programmer and still be an idiot as a person. One doesn't necessarily follow the other. But thanks for the typical sophomoric, Slashdot trail of logic.

mbrezu2 wrote:

Have you ever written a C compiler?

No but I've written a C++ parser to build ASTs, and I've worked at extending the G++ front end - I gave up because the code is such a friggin mess. Hip hip hurray!

mbrezu2 wrote:

written software that has as many users as emacs, gcc and the rest of the gnu collection?

Having a large user base doesn't necessarily mean the software is good. Windows 3.1 had a lot of people using it. Was it any good? Much of the gnu collection of software re-implements the same stupid, half assed unix programs that came before them. This is hardly something to be proud of. GCC is used because it's cost is free - *not* because it's that great of a compiler, and in almost any test I've seen it tends to be at the bottom of the list in terms of capabilities such as compiling speed, generated executable size, executable speed, etc. And some of the large speed bumps in performance and features (take pre compiled headers for example) have come at the hand of the same "evil" proprietary companies like IBM or Apple contributing their *paid* employees' work. RMS may be a smart programmer (anyone who can get LISP to do anything without losing their mind certainly has my intellectual respect), but many/most of his positions outside the field of computer programming are ridiculous if not idiotic.

mbrezu2 wrote:

As for the free software movement, RMS is a bit of an extremist but that's a good thing, because it allows us to be "normal".

Horsecrap!! :) I don't need RMS to "allow" me to do or be anything. I'm quite capable of making up my own mind about things, completely independently of RMS's existence.

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deltalmg

Yep, seems like a real jerk. Says he implemented the C version of Emacs after Stallman, and 'freely distributed' it. Then a few years later sells the rights to the software to a copy, who forces Stallman to change his code because he is illegally using the software (by this point he adopted the C implementation of Gosling). That said really, it was the purchasing company that should have been nicer, IMHO all existing agreements with clients should remain enforce after sale. That said, anyone ever read the EULA for .NET/MSDN? It is the most horrendous license agreement I ever seen. Did you know if you use example code in your project, the license agreement states that the code can only run on Windows? You are also expected to defend Microsoft, including paying their legal fees if anyone decides to sue them, because of the example code in your project doesn't work. So, MSDN is a fairly detailed documentation of the .Net language, how hard would it be for MS to accuse you of using their code, even if you didn't? I mean there is only one why to call idiot.ToString() right? If you copy pages of code I can see the arguement, but if you take a 5 line snippet that tells you how to make a ODBC connection and start a reader or something? There is so much to a language that you need to use a reference to figure out how things work, if you're forced to then find a different way to do something you just learnt how to do, that would be considered overboard in my opinion. P.S. Not being portable isn't a big deal with .Net, as it isn't portable anyways. Wow, a platform independant framework, that is only released on Windows, and requires you to have the right version of the .Net framework, wow the freedom astounds me. (I am aware of the MONO project, but it has limitations, and wasn't provided by the original company that tooted the platform independant horn).

mbrezu2

:)) If my arguments were that irrelevant what's the point in the ad hominem attack (sophomoric logic etc.) ? Didn't realize I was feeding a troll. What's worse, one motivated by frustration. I prefer trolls that are looking for a little relaxed fun. However, it seems I can't help myself. Here's one more little bit of troll food: Have you ever considered that things you refuse to understand may be worth understanding? (i.e. Lisp, the GPL, Creative Commons).

fredsparkle

Lars Lundstedt wrote:

Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: but RMS should be boycotted mostly because he is the original creator of emacs, which is an evil piece of software. Everybody should be using vim instead. I sense good old flame war between the users of "very incomprehensible mess" and "Eight megabytes and constantly swapping" coming on (I swear by Emacs!)

Now come on don't you know that editors are a Religiosity Issue and that it takes years to retrain the fingers to use the correct key combinations and that interia is the true constant in life?

PIEBALDconsult

No, RMS is a file system.

peterchen

dang! But it's a hairy one, right?

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