WWII....
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I don't mean to offend anyone,but i think the allies in wwII should have delayed the war for the couple months needed to finish the 'A' bomb?. I think if there was ever any nation that deserved the atomic bomb, Germany was the one. The Japanese got what they deserved,but those Nazi loving germans should have gotten it too. People who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
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I don't mean to offend anyone,but i think the allies in wwII should have delayed the war for the couple months needed to finish the 'A' bomb?. I think if there was ever any nation that deserved the atomic bomb, Germany was the one. The Japanese got what they deserved,but those Nazi loving germans should have gotten it too. People who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
I'm glad they used the A bomb because we would have lost alot more precious American lives. Remember we were attacked by the Japanese and not the Germans so it is was a fitting end. Every time Americans kick a country's a** well, they always reform and become good citizens history has shown.
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I don't mean to offend anyone,but i think the allies in wwII should have delayed the war for the couple months needed to finish the 'A' bomb?. I think if there was ever any nation that deserved the atomic bomb, Germany was the one. The Japanese got what they deserved,but those Nazi loving germans should have gotten it too. People who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
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Aww Geez! And I wonder why Americans get a bad name here at CP??!!
Mike Mullikin - We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. Aesop (~550 BC)
Mike Mullikin wrote: Aww Geez! And I wonder why Americans get a bad name here at CP??!! Well, the Japanese started it. If they were good global citizens, then none of this would have happened. Rememeber they tortured and beheaded American POWs. Anyone who fights for this country has my respect, and I'm not going to second guess them 57 years later.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Aww Geez! And I wonder why Americans get a bad name here at CP??!! Well, the Japanese started it. If they were good global citizens, then none of this would have happened. Rememeber they tortured and beheaded American POWs. Anyone who fights for this country has my respect, and I'm not going to second guess them 57 years later.
I see you did not read the original post. I would agree that the Japanese in the war were within cooee of the barbarity shown by the US in killing innocent women and children in two non-military areas for the sole purpose of testing two different types of bomb. However, the original poster was talking not about killing more innocent Japanse, but killing some innocent Germans as well. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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I see you did not read the original post. I would agree that the Japanese in the war were within cooee of the barbarity shown by the US in killing innocent women and children in two non-military areas for the sole purpose of testing two different types of bomb. However, the original poster was talking not about killing more innocent Japanse, but killing some innocent Germans as well. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
There were no innocent germans. You should be ashame of yourself. I'd advice you to watch quite a bit of history channel and you will be convinced. When you think about what the germans were up to, it horrofies me. If these people thougth that if you didn't have green eyes blonde hair you were inferior and shold die, imagine what would have happended once they conquered the world. I am sure they would have started having people in places like africa and asia as meat for dinner.Do u know about medical experiments of unimaginable cruelty? You try and get yourself informed before u refer to germans as innocent. I personally am still suspicious of them.
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I see you did not read the original post. I would agree that the Japanese in the war were within cooee of the barbarity shown by the US in killing innocent women and children in two non-military areas for the sole purpose of testing two different types of bomb. However, the original poster was talking not about killing more innocent Japanse, but killing some innocent Germans as well. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Christian Graus wrote: cooee of the barbarity shown by the US in killing innocent women and children in two non-military areas for the sole purpose of testing two different types of bomb. Those bombs were already tested in Nevada. What the US did was humane. We knew that the Japanese citizens would fight to the death, women and children, Vietnam style if we did a Normady type invasion. The general consensus was that we would be fighting for 2 more years if we hadn't used those bombs. Also, it took 2 bombs before the Japenese gave up!!! Christian Graus wrote: but killing some innocent Germans as well. The bombs weren't ready then. By the time we had them developed, Germany was already defeated. The Battle of the Bulge was Hitler's last stand.
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There were no innocent germans. You should be ashame of yourself. I'd advice you to watch quite a bit of history channel and you will be convinced. When you think about what the germans were up to, it horrofies me. If these people thougth that if you didn't have green eyes blonde hair you were inferior and shold die, imagine what would have happended once they conquered the world. I am sure they would have started having people in places like africa and asia as meat for dinner.Do u know about medical experiments of unimaginable cruelty? You try and get yourself informed before u refer to germans as innocent. I personally am still suspicious of them.
Edd wrote: When you think about what the germans were up to, it horrofies me. If these people thougth that if you didn't have green eyes blonde hair you were inferior and shold die, imagine what would have happended once they conquered the world. Ahh, they weren't anymore cruel than anyone else. Remember the Chilean dictator? Aparthid in Africa? Japanese in China? Even the Israelis treat the Palestinians as second class citizens! How racist is that? We just have to face the facts.
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Christian Graus wrote: cooee of the barbarity shown by the US in killing innocent women and children in two non-military areas for the sole purpose of testing two different types of bomb. Those bombs were already tested in Nevada. What the US did was humane. We knew that the Japanese citizens would fight to the death, women and children, Vietnam style if we did a Normady type invasion. The general consensus was that we would be fighting for 2 more years if we hadn't used those bombs. Also, it took 2 bombs before the Japenese gave up!!! Christian Graus wrote: but killing some innocent Germans as well. The bombs weren't ready then. By the time we had them developed, Germany was already defeated. The Battle of the Bulge was Hitler's last stand.
I think Cristian is very ignorant of these fact. There are films of japanese civilians jumping from cliffs instead of living under occupation. But I doubt the bombs weren't ready when the war in europe was over. I think it was a delebrate effort on the part of the allies not to drop the bomb on germans, cause they were europians(prejudise of the worst kind).I still recent them for that. And still hate germans.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Aww Geez! And I wonder why Americans get a bad name here at CP??!! Well, the Japanese started it. If they were good global citizens, then none of this would have happened. Rememeber they tortured and beheaded American POWs. Anyone who fights for this country has my respect, and I'm not going to second guess them 57 years later.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Rememeber they tortured and beheaded American POWs Actually, the taking of trophy skulls was very common amongst american soldiers as well. There are likely hundreds of japanese skulls hidden in closets all over the USA. /moliate
Two o'clock and walking through familiar London - Or what was familiar London before the cursor deleted certain certainties - I watch a suit and tie man giving suck to the Psion Organizer lodged in his breast pocket its serial interface like a cool mouth hunting his chest for sustenance, familiar feeling, and I'm watching my breath steam in the air.
Neil Gaiman - Cold Colours
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There were no innocent germans. You should be ashame of yourself. I'd advice you to watch quite a bit of history channel and you will be convinced. When you think about what the germans were up to, it horrofies me. If these people thougth that if you didn't have green eyes blonde hair you were inferior and shold die, imagine what would have happended once they conquered the world. I am sure they would have started having people in places like africa and asia as meat for dinner.Do u know about medical experiments of unimaginable cruelty? You try and get yourself informed before u refer to germans as innocent. I personally am still suspicious of them.
Edd wrote: There were no innocent germans. Of course not. You only have to watch a few John Wayne movies to know that. Edd wrote: I'd advice you to watch quite a bit of history channel and you will be convinced. Yeah, I'm sure they will be objective. Any historical resource will give you a PERSPECTIVE on what happened. Edd wrote: If these people thougth that if you didn't have green eyes blonde hair you were inferior and shold die, imagine what would have happended once they conquered the world. I think you mean blue eyes. You are wrong to assume that people being either ignorant or scared to speak up equates to all Germans thinking this way. The roots of WWII were sown in the peace terms of WWI. The Nazis took advantage of a downtrodden people and made them think they could be great. Social psychology is full of experiments that show that we are all capable of group behaviour that we would personally find unacceptable. Edd wrote: You try and get yourself informed before u refer to germans as innocent. My grandparents are German. How many direct resources do you have from which to judge if all German people are by nature power hungry racists ? Edd wrote: I personally am still suspicious of them. Then you are no better than they. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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There were no innocent germans. You should be ashame of yourself. I'd advice you to watch quite a bit of history channel and you will be convinced. When you think about what the germans were up to, it horrofies me. If these people thougth that if you didn't have green eyes blonde hair you were inferior and shold die, imagine what would have happended once they conquered the world. I am sure they would have started having people in places like africa and asia as meat for dinner.Do u know about medical experiments of unimaginable cruelty? You try and get yourself informed before u refer to germans as innocent. I personally am still suspicious of them.
Edd wrote: I am sure they would have started having people in places like africa and asia as meat for dinner.Do u know about medical experiments of unimaginable cruelty? You try and get yourself informed before u refer to germans as innocent. I personally am still suspicious of them. That is all just so much xenophobic bullshit. Do you get all your education from the National Enquirer?
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Edd wrote: I am sure they would have started having people in places like africa and asia as meat for dinner.Do u know about medical experiments of unimaginable cruelty? You try and get yourself informed before u refer to germans as innocent. I personally am still suspicious of them. That is all just so much xenophobic bullshit. Do you get all your education from the National Enquirer?
paulb wrote: That is all just so much xenophobic bullshit. Do you get all your education from the National Enquirer? ROTFL !!! It's Friday afternoon here, and this thread feels to me like an end of week troll. No-one is this ignorant, surely ? Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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Christian Graus wrote: cooee of the barbarity shown by the US in killing innocent women and children in two non-military areas for the sole purpose of testing two different types of bomb. Those bombs were already tested in Nevada. What the US did was humane. We knew that the Japanese citizens would fight to the death, women and children, Vietnam style if we did a Normady type invasion. The general consensus was that we would be fighting for 2 more years if we hadn't used those bombs. Also, it took 2 bombs before the Japenese gave up!!! Christian Graus wrote: but killing some innocent Germans as well. The bombs weren't ready then. By the time we had them developed, Germany was already defeated. The Battle of the Bulge was Hitler's last stand.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Those bombs were already tested in Nevada. Oh. How many US citizens contributed to a test of their effect on human beings ? Martin Marvinski wrote: What the US did was humane. You are a fool for thinking so. Bombing the leaders who refused to surrender would be OK. Killing women and children who were stuck with being born there was not. Martin Marvinski wrote: The general consensus was that we would be fighting for 2 more years if we hadn't used those bombs. I see - we took a vote. How many innocent Japanese got to vote ? Martin Marvinski wrote: The bombs weren't ready then. By the time we had them developed, Germany was already defeated. The Battle of the Bulge was Hitler's last stand. I know that, the point is that is what the original poster wishes could have happened. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Aww Geez! And I wonder why Americans get a bad name here at CP??!! Well, the Japanese started it. If they were good global citizens, then none of this would have happened. Rememeber they tortured and beheaded American POWs. Anyone who fights for this country has my respect, and I'm not going to second guess them 57 years later.
...and the US soldiers who committed atrocities in Vietnam? ...and the US soldiers who committed atrocities in WWII? ...and the US soldiers who committed atrocities in Korea? One thing you have conveniently forgotten is that soldiers from *all* sides did evil things. Not all soldiers were Audi Murphy or John Wayne, standing in a heroic pose with a perfect smile, and a beautiful woman by their side. All war makes monsters out of some people, regardless of which side they are on. The only difference in the reporting of these atrocities is that history is written by the victor.
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There were no innocent germans. You should be ashame of yourself. I'd advice you to watch quite a bit of history channel and you will be convinced. When you think about what the germans were up to, it horrofies me. If these people thougth that if you didn't have green eyes blonde hair you were inferior and shold die, imagine what would have happended once they conquered the world. I am sure they would have started having people in places like africa and asia as meat for dinner.Do u know about medical experiments of unimaginable cruelty? You try and get yourself informed before u refer to germans as innocent. I personally am still suspicious of them.
So those people in Dresden... The farmers, the paperboys, the schoolgirls, the housewives, the Jews hiding from the Nazis, the soldier conscripted against his will, the 3 day old babies. None of them were innocent? Why because their government was bad? So that means you are guilty of corruption every time one of your government officials takes a bribe. That means you are guilty of manslaughter when government incompetence causes a death. Come on. Get real!
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I don't mean to offend anyone,but i think the allies in wwII should have delayed the war for the couple months needed to finish the 'A' bomb?. I think if there was ever any nation that deserved the atomic bomb, Germany was the one. The Japanese got what they deserved,but those Nazi loving germans should have gotten it too. People who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.
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Martin Marvinski wrote: Those bombs were already tested in Nevada. Oh. How many US citizens contributed to a test of their effect on human beings ? Martin Marvinski wrote: What the US did was humane. You are a fool for thinking so. Bombing the leaders who refused to surrender would be OK. Killing women and children who were stuck with being born there was not. Martin Marvinski wrote: The general consensus was that we would be fighting for 2 more years if we hadn't used those bombs. I see - we took a vote. How many innocent Japanese got to vote ? Martin Marvinski wrote: The bombs weren't ready then. By the time we had them developed, Germany was already defeated. The Battle of the Bulge was Hitler's last stand. I know that, the point is that is what the original poster wishes could have happened. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Christian Graus wrote: Oh. How many US citizens contributed to a test of their effect on human beings ? Actually, alot. I bet you've seen photos of US Troops dug in trenches while an Atom bomb went off. They also tested the hydrogen bombs off of Bikini Atoll on abandoned war ships. The reason they didn't do the tests the first time was because it was top secret and they only had three bombs. 1 to test, and the other other one to use, and the last one as back up in case the first didn't go off.
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I think Cristian is very ignorant of these fact. There are films of japanese civilians jumping from cliffs instead of living under occupation. But I doubt the bombs weren't ready when the war in europe was over. I think it was a delebrate effort on the part of the allies not to drop the bomb on germans, cause they were europians(prejudise of the worst kind).I still recent them for that. And still hate germans.
Edd wrote: I think it was a delebrate effort on the part of the allies not to drop the bomb on germans, cause they were europians(prejudise of the worst kind). More like basic geography. If they had them, it would have been hard to limit their effect to Germany. Edd wrote: prejudise of the worst kind).I still recent them for that. And still hate germans. You 'recent' them ? I think that apart from prejudise(sic), you are showing hypocrisy of the worst kind to call someone else prejudiced and then announce your own racism as a matter of course. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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Christian Graus wrote: Oh. How many US citizens contributed to a test of their effect on human beings ? Actually, alot. I bet you've seen photos of US Troops dug in trenches while an Atom bomb went off. They also tested the hydrogen bombs off of Bikini Atoll on abandoned war ships. The reason they didn't do the tests the first time was because it was top secret and they only had three bombs. 1 to test, and the other other one to use, and the last one as back up in case the first didn't go off.
I've seen them. At least you guys did it to yourselves - the Brits used Aussie troops to perform similar tests, on OUR soil. But it's not the same as dropping it on a city, to see how many you can kill and the long term effects on those who live. If the US wasn't performing science as diabolical as anything the Nazis did, why were the two bombs they used not the same type ? Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002