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I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along. On another occasion, when my wife was traveling, I took all of my daughters and step-daughters and grand-daughters out to lunch one day. While in the restaurant, a woman who knew my wife was traveling saw me with 5 gorgeous women and complained that I was a lecherous old man, blah, blah. My "ladies" all played along and told her they didn't know I was married. I thought it was absolutely hilarious and suggested the the woman take a picture to show my wife when she returned.
The PetroNerd
Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
She knew your wife, but didn't know you had daughters, etc. I doubt she'll learn her lesson.
Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
If you don't like the environment - leave.
Exactly! Do not complain, or bring suit. Keep it to yourself, and get out. Peace!
-=- James
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See DeleteFXPFilesJames R. Twine wrote:
Tim Carmichael wrote: If you don't like the environment - leave. Exactly! Do not complain, or bring suit. Keep it to yourself, and get out.
This concept could totally change the face of smoking in the workplace. Don't like the smoke, keep it to yourself and get out!
Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon
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I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along. On another occasion, when my wife was traveling, I took all of my daughters and step-daughters and grand-daughters out to lunch one day. While in the restaurant, a woman who knew my wife was traveling saw me with 5 gorgeous women and complained that I was a lecherous old man, blah, blah. My "ladies" all played along and told her they didn't know I was married. I thought it was absolutely hilarious and suggested the the woman take a picture to show my wife when she returned.
The PetroNerd
Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
Walt Fair, Jr. wrote:
I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along.
That is the biggest problem I have with this whole "offended" crap. It does not have to have any basis in reality or common sense. These secretaries were offended about something that was not even happening! They should have been offended about being too damn shallow to come up with a better reason and decided to keep it to themselves. Or maybe even think that if someone was going to be engaging in any fooling-around, they would not be doing it in their office at lunchtime! Peace!
-=- James
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She knew your wife, but didn't know you had daughters, etc. I doubt she'll learn her lesson.
Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon
Oh, she knew we had daughters, but they are all grown, so she had never met them. Any way, in my experience, people who worry about other people's lives and have time to spend getting offended , generally have other issues and rarely learn. I guess she figured our daughters were as ugly as me, not gorgeous like my wife .... :laugh:
The PetroNerd
Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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About touching...
Before you touch someone, ask yourself:
Is it possible that someone might see the physical contact and be offended?What?
**_SEE_** THE PHYSICAL CONTACT AND BE OFFENDED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!Just observe it and be offended?! I need to get off this human race train...! :) [edit] I shudder to think what could happen if my wife and kids visit and I happen giving them a hug or, God Forbid, give my wife a kiss, and BE SEEN DOING IT!!! Peace!-=- James
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See DeleteFXPFilesI guess shaking hands is going out the door...
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Somebody
shootme... I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :) One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy. Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended? Nope, that would be FAR too easy. Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it. Hey! Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :) Heh... I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff. I really do. Ahhh... I feel better now... Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff? Or is it just me? Peace!-=- James
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James R. Twine wrote:
I deeply offended and am going to report you
What for a bad sense of humour? Where would we be without humour? Answer: Germany! :-D
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
You are on The List now. :suss:
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James R. Twine wrote:
Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?
Yup, I agree....But unfortunately, I can't really say what I really think here in case I offend someone. Best saved for the soap box. What's the difference between women and....oh no...hang on.....women won't like that....what's the biggest cause of.....oh.....not that one either....An English man, an.....nope, racist...A dyslexic man walks into....Dammit all the best jokes are offensive.
Simon
Use a otherwise nondescript white male, they cannot be offended.
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Somebody
shootme... I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :) One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy. Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended? Nope, that would be FAR too easy. Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it. Hey! Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :) Heh... I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff. I really do. Ahhh... I feel better now... Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff? Or is it just me? Peace!-=- James
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See DeleteFXPFilesGetting ready for first day of work: 1. Apply gag so you can't offend anyone by speaking to them 2. Apply straight jacket so you can't offend anyone by touching them 3. Apply blindfold so you can't offend anyone by looking at them 4. Apply earmuffs so you won't be offended by any noise in the workplace 5. Hook up to independent breathing apparatus so you won't be offended by any workplace smell :sigh:
Steve _________________ I C(++) therefore I am
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Somebody
shootme... I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :) One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy. Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended? Nope, that would be FAR too easy. Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it. Hey! Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :) Heh... I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff. I really do. Ahhh... I feel better now... Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff? Or is it just me? Peace!-=- James
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See DeleteFXPFilesActually, I like the solution posed by one individual I heard, at a party in the late '90s, ask: "Before I tell this, does anyone get offended easily by ethnic jokes?" If you don't answer yes, you've conspired to entrap someone.
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Somebody
shootme... I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :) One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy. Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended? Nope, that would be FAR too easy. Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it. Hey! Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :) Heh... I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff. I really do. Ahhh... I feel better now... Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff? Or is it just me? Peace!-=- James
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Mimicking a foreign accent in a derogatory manner could
contribute to a hostile work environment based on national
origin.OK... Is there a way to mimic an accent in a non-derogatory manner? Peace!
-=- James
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See DeleteFXPFilesBut... James... I tend to destroy the accent (of course in a non derogatory manner), the grammatical laws (also not in a derogatory manner) and the language itself (not in a derogatory manner) translating jokes directly from a mixture of Catalan and Spanish (for that one I can't defend myself... I do that in a derogatory manner) and by now I've got lots of feedback telling me that it is almost impossible to understand a thing, but never I've found hostile behaviour on someone here... (also no :bob:pian has gone to speak with my HR department)... Now being serious: "people is becoming mad... I suppose that it is fruit of too much spare time or something similar...". :rose:
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Somebody
shootme... I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :) One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy. Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended? Nope, that would be FAR too easy. Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it. Hey! Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :) Heh... I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff. I really do. Ahhh... I feel better now... Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff? Or is it just me? Peace!-=- James
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See DeleteFXPFilesIn our IT department we are good friends and we go to dinner, disco, take :beer: and other out of the work activities together... I mean we have a very good feeling, and usually we say to each other that if some day Hitler would raise his head from the tomb he would become stunned by the horrible things we say here and that he would like to go back to the coffin... :-D It is fun to say stupidities some times... the only thing is that people like to take things out of scope for whatever reason... - I know the case of a man that was the manager of one department in a big company... the department personnel was entirely full of women and he always said that if some day he had to fire one of them he would fire the one that had less "pectoral muscles" (*)... the day arrived in which he had to fire a girl on the department... he was sued and he had to leave the job. Of course he was joking, but... - Some time ago I read that Schneider Electric was sued for asking for people between 20 and 30 years old to get a job in their offices in Barcelona... you could think that this is not strange, but they got sued for discrimination... People is becoming mad... (*) in order not to offend to anyone.
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You are on The List now. :suss:
peterchen wrote:
You are on The List now.
Geez Pete, where's your sense of humour?
Bar fomos edo pariyart gedeem, agreo eo dranem abal edyero eyrem kalm kareore
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James R. Twine wrote:
Tim Carmichael wrote: If you don't like the environment - leave. Exactly! Do not complain, or bring suit. Keep it to yourself, and get out.
This concept could totally change the face of smoking in the workplace. Don't like the smoke, keep it to yourself and get out!
Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon
I believe the jump to apples and oranges just took place. While not taking a side on the whole smoking argument, because people were never really "allergic" to cigarette smoke until only about 10-15 years ago, there is a medically validated health concern that the smoke can affect other otherwise normal people. There is no normal person that is going to get cancer from a joke involving a priest, rabbi, chicken and an extra large tube of KY jelly. Peace!
-=- James
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I'm the same, although I was brought up around varying accents. Both parents from Sheffield, so when I'm up north, it switch fast and naturally, however I was raised in the south and that's where I live now and that's how most people hear me. They think I'm pretty weird when as soon as I hit the Yorkshire borders it's all e-by-gum :laugh:
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
I have an uncle who, shortly after moving to Wolverhampton, got the local 'ar' and the london 'yes' confused in a conversation with a workmate. Got a very odd look in return. That's right it came out as 'arse'. True story!
Henry Minute If you open a can of worms, any valid solution *MUST* involve a larger can!
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Flipside, someone offers their hand for a shake, I refuse, is that offensive? So therefore it is offensive to both touch and not touch? What we need to do is kill the pc brigade and go back to people being grown up. I demand the right to be offensive!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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I believe the jump to apples and oranges just took place. While not taking a side on the whole smoking argument, because people were never really "allergic" to cigarette smoke until only about 10-15 years ago, there is a medically validated health concern that the smoke can affect other otherwise normal people. There is no normal person that is going to get cancer from a joke involving a priest, rabbi, chicken and an extra large tube of KY jelly. Peace!
-=- James
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See DeleteFXPFilesJames R. Twine wrote:
here is no normal person that is going to get cancer from a joke involving a priest, rabbi, chicken and an extra large tube of KY jelly.
Not cancer, not, but the priest could have a heart attack, the rabbi a stroke (ohh-err!, obviously!) and the chicken, well, who gives a cluck?
Life is like a pubic hair on the toilet seat... ...sometimes, you just get pissed off. .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
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Somebody
shootme... I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :) One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy. Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended? Nope, that would be FAR too easy. Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it. Hey! Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :) Heh... I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff. I really do. Ahhh... I feel better now... Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff? Or is it just me? Peace!-=- James
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See DeleteFXPFilesMy favorite one of these was at Novell. There were about ten male engineers and three female engineers. The seminar was really a "why men suck"-inar. Us men just sat there and kept our mouths shut. One of the women got into the spirit, at which point the two other women verbally tore her and the instructors apart. And they didn't let up for the rest of the time.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Yorkshire? That's practically Scotland! I live well south of the Watford Gap!
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Dalek Dave wrote:
Yorkshire? That's practically Scotland!
Not close at all
Dalek Dave wrote:
I live well south of the Watford Gap!
Not at all obvious :-)
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