Programming Language and code aesthetics
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Any BASIC derived language is ugly as sin. Objective C is ugly, too. So is C, for that matter. C++ and C# are top of my list.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Programmers are romantics. We're lovers not fighters. Why, developers are widely regarded as being the sexiest creatures on the planet. Our beauty causes people in other professions to go blind. We are love. We are truth. We are sex at a keyboard.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
We are sex at a keyboard.
5! :laugh:
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Java/C#/Python/JavaScript
I find it strange that you bundle Python with Java/C#/JS. Languages that have pleasant and readable syntax IMHO are Python/BOO and Pascal/Modula/Delphi/Oberon. On the other hand I don't like the syntax of C and all derived languages (C++, Objective-C, C#, Java, JS, Perl...) Lisp, Fortran, Haskell, ML, Erlang are in between. Of course, syntax is not really very high on my list of important language features. In fact, the two languages I use most on daily bases are C++ and Perl and the syntax is definitelly not something that would attract me to either of these languages.
I was not giving any strict order of preference, but I agree that Python is more pleasant than C#/C++.
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Does Code written in some languages appear more "beautiful" than other languages? Granted, there is an element of developer there too. But ignoring the developer, do code in some languages prone to appear more "ugly" than in some other languages. For example, to me code written in Java/C#/Python/JavaScript appear aesthetically more pleasing than that in Objective C or Scheme (even though I love Scheme) or Perl. What languages do you find "beautiful" ? or you don't think that there is an aesthetic aspect of a languages?
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Christian hinted at it: we tend to "feel" code is beautiful if it is well structured (or if you want to be sexist about it: well stacked!) and code which is not structured is ugly. But we do this in other areas of life as well: a flower bed which is looked after is pleasant to look at while an untended flower bed overrun with weeds is ugly. I suppose you could call BASIC, the weeds of programming languages.
m.bergman
-- For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.
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Does Code written in some languages appear more "beautiful" than other languages? Granted, there is an element of developer there too. But ignoring the developer, do code in some languages prone to appear more "ugly" than in some other languages. For example, to me code written in Java/C#/Python/JavaScript appear aesthetically more pleasing than that in Objective C or Scheme (even though I love Scheme) or Perl. What languages do you find "beautiful" ? or you don't think that there is an aesthetic aspect of a languages?
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forth is prettiest (but not so useful in the long run) c++ is the next prettiest then c then 68000 asm the rest are are an absolute dog's breakfast... X|
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Christian hinted at it: we tend to "feel" code is beautiful if it is well structured (or if you want to be sexist about it: well stacked!) and code which is not structured is ugly. But we do this in other areas of life as well: a flower bed which is looked after is pleasant to look at while an untended flower bed overrun with weeds is ugly. I suppose you could call BASIC, the weeds of programming languages.
m.bergman
-- For Bruce Schneier, quanta only have one state : afraid.
Michael Bergman wrote:
I suppose you could call BASIC, the weeds of programming languages.
Only if you count COBOL as the badly written memo of programming languages.
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For me the good written C++ is more beautiful then an attractive girl emerging from the sea together with the sunrise in the summer day. JAVA could be sexy too in some cases. The “foreach” loop and “readonly” keyword gives the C# a little fat look.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
For me the good written C++ is more beautiful then an attractive girl emerging from the sea together with the sunrise in the summer day. JAVA could be sexy too in some cases. The “foreach” loop and “readonly” keyword gives the C# a little fat look.
Y'know Deyan, you should stop working during the weekends. Go out, enjoy a drink or four, meet some girls, meet some new people who aren't in the computer business, it'll do you a world of good my friend.
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Does Code written in some languages appear more "beautiful" than other languages? Granted, there is an element of developer there too. But ignoring the developer, do code in some languages prone to appear more "ugly" than in some other languages. For example, to me code written in Java/C#/Python/JavaScript appear aesthetically more pleasing than that in Objective C or Scheme (even though I love Scheme) or Perl. What languages do you find "beautiful" ? or you don't think that there is an aesthetic aspect of a languages?
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In order of preference Object Pascal, Python, Smalltalk, C++/C#/C/Java, Lisp
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Does Code written in some languages appear more "beautiful" than other languages? Granted, there is an element of developer there too. But ignoring the developer, do code in some languages prone to appear more "ugly" than in some other languages. For example, to me code written in Java/C#/Python/JavaScript appear aesthetically more pleasing than that in Objective C or Scheme (even though I love Scheme) or Perl. What languages do you find "beautiful" ? or you don't think that there is an aesthetic aspect of a languages?
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I take heat for it but I love VB.net. C++ may look pretty form a distance but as she gets closer you start to see that her blouse is off by one button, one high heel is shorter than the other and her eyes are crossed in a wild and crazy look that makes you think she perpetually drinks way too much. Oh yeah, and her hair extensions are starting to come loose...
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
For me the good written C++ is more beautiful then an attractive girl emerging from the sea together with the sunrise in the summer day. JAVA could be sexy too in some cases. The “foreach” loop and “readonly” keyword gives the C# a little fat look.
Y'know Deyan, you should stop working during the weekends. Go out, enjoy a drink or four, meet some girls, meet some new people who aren't in the computer business, it'll do you a world of good my friend.
Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful
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Mustafa, could I ask you something? Print the quoted one, find some notary sign it, put a seal and bind with a government apostil after that send it to me. It could be something like: I, down signed Mustafa Ismail Mustafa Hereby Authorize Deyan Georgiev to:
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Go out, enjoy a drink or four, meet some girls, meet some new people who aren't in the computer business
I need something more official for my wife.:)
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In order of preference Object Pascal, Python, Smalltalk, C++/C#/C/Java, Lisp
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If one says that the Object Pascal is the best language ever created I probably would agree. But pretty?!? It’s ugly like hell. Even using the “With” can't prevent code from looking like teenage chat-room.
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Programmers are romantics. We're lovers not fighters. Why, developers are widely regarded as being the sexiest creatures on the planet. Our beauty causes people in other professions to go blind. We are love. We are truth. We are sex at a keyboard.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
It's the white pills you idiot! 2 of the white one and ONLY 1 of the red. You know what too many red pills does to you, seesh. That poor nurse was walking funny for months ..
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Programmers are romantics. We're lovers not fighters. Why, developers are widely regarded as being the sexiest creatures on the planet. Our beauty causes people in other professions to go blind. We are love. We are truth. We are sex at a keyboard.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
We're lovers not fighters.
Aye! /ravi
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I take heat for it but I love VB.net. C++ may look pretty form a distance but as she gets closer you start to see that her blouse is off by one button, one high heel is shorter than the other and her eyes are crossed in a wild and crazy look that makes you think she perpetually drinks way too much. Oh yeah, and her hair extensions are starting to come loose...
That's on a good day... Things get uglier most days.
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Does Code written in some languages appear more "beautiful" than other languages? Granted, there is an element of developer there too. But ignoring the developer, do code in some languages prone to appear more "ugly" than in some other languages. For example, to me code written in Java/C#/Python/JavaScript appear aesthetically more pleasing than that in Objective C or Scheme (even though I love Scheme) or Perl. What languages do you find "beautiful" ? or you don't think that there is an aesthetic aspect of a languages?
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Absolutely! Pascal is the epitome of beautiful languages, while C++ is merely the pit.
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Mustafa, could I ask you something? Print the quoted one, find some notary sign it, put a seal and bind with a government apostil after that send it to me. It could be something like: I, down signed Mustafa Ismail Mustafa Hereby Authorize Deyan Georgiev to:
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Go out, enjoy a drink or four, meet some girls, meet some new people who aren't in the computer business
I need something more official for my wife.:)
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Hey Mustafa, while you're at it for Deyan, could you send me one too? The wife's leash tends to be pretty short...
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Good question. If he considers C to be ugly, how could he consider C++ or C# to be, well, not ugly?
BDF People don't mind being mean; but they never want to be ridiculous. -- Moliere
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No, of the nice ones. But, that's probably b/c I learned C++ first, so the way it looks makes sense to me.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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If one says that the Object Pascal is the best language ever created I probably would agree. But pretty?!? It’s ugly like hell. Even using the “With” can't prevent code from looking like teenage chat-room.
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I'd argue that part of Object Pascal's "prettiness" is in it's uniformity. There's a precision to it's design that make it feel like something that was crafted and thought about, whereas C/C++ tend to feel like something that was just kind of grown from some crazy mad scientist's post-60's LSD trip, and then gradually beaten into shape to be something useful. While the verbosity can be a bit much, I'd agree with you on the "with" keyword, it also, IMHO, leads to very nicely laid out and well written code. Of all the code I've ever read, OP was the easiest to just fall into, and the best code I've ever read, bar none, is Borland's VCL source. It's clean, clear, and easy to follow, with largely logical names, well thought out design, it's just good stuff. Contrast that with most C/C++ code, which frequently is either a maze of cryptic, vowel challenged, 3 letter variable names, or an unreadable morass of hungarian notation, half of which doesn't even match up any more, plus the haze of pre-processor statements, which make you want to poke your eyes out trying to figure out what's going on.
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I'd argue that part of Object Pascal's "prettiness" is in it's uniformity. There's a precision to it's design that make it feel like something that was crafted and thought about, whereas C/C++ tend to feel like something that was just kind of grown from some crazy mad scientist's post-60's LSD trip, and then gradually beaten into shape to be something useful. While the verbosity can be a bit much, I'd agree with you on the "with" keyword, it also, IMHO, leads to very nicely laid out and well written code. Of all the code I've ever read, OP was the easiest to just fall into, and the best code I've ever read, bar none, is Borland's VCL source. It's clean, clear, and easy to follow, with largely logical names, well thought out design, it's just good stuff. Contrast that with most C/C++ code, which frequently is either a maze of cryptic, vowel challenged, 3 letter variable names, or an unreadable morass of hungarian notation, half of which doesn't even match up any more, plus the haze of pre-processor statements, which make you want to poke your eyes out trying to figure out what's going on.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Of all the code I've ever read, OP was the easiest to just fall into, and the best code I've ever read, bar none, is Borland's VCL source. It's clean, clear, and easy to follow, with largely logical names, well thought out design, it's just good stuff.
I’m totally agreed with that. The VCL even the Indy components was masterpiece. Though some function names like “GetDefaultSystemFonts” are a little too verbose.:)
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