Well now I understand

oilFactotum

Oakman wrote:

They had.

Again, we will have to disagree on the definition of strategic. Anthony Cordesman doesn't think the Israeli leadership has defined strategic goals[^] " If Israel has a credible ceasefire plan that could really secure Gaza, it is not apparent. If Israel has a plan that could credibly destroy and replace Hamas, it is not apparent. If Israel has any plan to help the Gazans and move them back towards peace, it is not apparent. If Israel has any plan to use US or other friendly influence productively, it not apparent."

Oakman wrote:

the truth

And what truth would that be?

Oakman wrote:

the Sunnis have become part of the Iraqi government

I imagine you think this is a serious response.

Oakman wrote:

Weren't you whining because I wasn't treating your ideas with respect just a little while ago?

Uh, no. Oh! You mean when you fabricated my position on Israel's right to exist. And when you fabricated my position on Israel's right to self-defense. But I shouldn't have laughed. It has been argued in some quarters that Israel thought that this might strengthen Fatah's political hand and weaken Hamas's. Unfortunately, to date, just the opposite has happened.

BoneSoft

If after all this time, you still insist on attempting logic, I have no choice but to point out to you how miserably you screw it up. Even if it is completely lost on you. And thanks for proving my point. My assumption wasn't based on nothing and was even proved right.

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Ilion

BoneSoft wrote:

And thanks for proving my point. My assumption wasn't based on nothing and was even proved right.

What a fool you are.

BoneSoft

Oakman wrote:

as he hopes and prays that the US falls apart in the next four years

To be fair, and I think you (if not many others) would agree that I'm not normally irrational... I have some mixed feelings here. There is a small part of me that understands and agrees with Stan there, mainly because I believe it's a real possibility. I didn't think anything of the sort when Clinton was elected, or re-elected. But right now, this is a slide to the destructive progressive left like we've never seen before (maybe in the Spanish Civil War or the like, but not in our country anyway). The hope in that dark idea, is that it would wake people up and put this country back on track (assuming there is a country left in the aftermath). Wake people up to the fact that their leftist talking points they've been spoon fed are all coming from a relatively small, very radical coalition that wants to destroy free America and turn it into a socialist nation. And the fact that they are so entrenched, it will likely take such a catastrophic event to uproot them. They've taken multiple generations to infiltrate schools, media, institutions, and all levels of government so they could take us apart one bite at a time without us even realizing it. And I think most progressives don't even realize that they are helping that cause. I don't think most of them are hell bent on destroying the country, I think they've been tricked into playing into a strategy that is hell bent on doing that. Take that as you will, but I felt I should try to clarify why some of us feel that way. I want the country to succeed, but I'm not sure that it's not already way too late to turn things around without a crash and burn. It's not sour grapes, it's a hope for a real future of freedom and American values, which many of us honestly feel has been in dire jeopardy, and just got flushed down the toilet with this farse of an election. But it will be a historic day. America is about to inaugurate the first socialist president who doesn't meet the Constitutional requirements to run for the office he stole. If I'm wrong, that would be fantastic. But if I'm right, he'll start nationalizing everything, silencing decenting media, placing his own people in key positions in the military, and at best ignoring the Constitution further, or at worse changing. Time will tell.

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BoneSoft

:rolleyes: And round and round we go. :zzz:

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Lost User

Ilíon wrote:

first invented by French (atheistic) socialists (of Jewish extraction).

No vague generalisations, who were these people? Give your sources. I understand your antipathy to atheists and socialists, but why is it necessary to mention their being French or 'of Jewish extraction'?

Bob Emmett