Crisis spurs spike in 'suburban survivalists'
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kmg365 wrote:
How come then I don't see anything in the legacy media?
I don't know about your reading habits, but it does get reported. Indeed, the article you link to is also available on the Washington Post's web site. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/25/AR2009052501132.html[^] And here is an article in the NY Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/fashion/06survival.html?pagewanted=print[^]
kmg365 wrote:
The article did not say what the political nature of those who were storing food away were, do you suspect right-wing wackjobs?
Pretty much for the same reason as I suspect the Pope of being a Catholic. It is the nature of the thing.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
And here is an article in the NY Times.
John Carson wrote:
Pretty much for the same reason as I suspect the Pope of being a Catholic. It is the nature of the thing
I like this quote from the article you referenced; Some middle-class preparedness converts, like Val Vontourne, a musician and paralegal in Olympia, Wash., recoil at the term “survivalist,” even as they stock their homes with food, gasoline and water. “I think of survivalists as being an extreme case of preparedness,” said Ms. Vontourne, 44, “people who stockpile guns and weapons, anticipating extreme aggression. Whereas what I’m doing, I think of as something responsible people do. “I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
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John Carson wrote:
And here is an article in the NY Times.
John Carson wrote:
Pretty much for the same reason as I suspect the Pope of being a Catholic. It is the nature of the thing
I like this quote from the article you referenced; Some middle-class preparedness converts, like Val Vontourne, a musician and paralegal in Olympia, Wash., recoil at the term “survivalist,” even as they stock their homes with food, gasoline and water. “I think of survivalists as being an extreme case of preparedness,” said Ms. Vontourne, 44, “people who stockpile guns and weapons, anticipating extreme aggression. Whereas what I’m doing, I think of as something responsible people do. “I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
kmg365 wrote:
“I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
Exactly. That is why I never go anywhere without my tinfoil hat. :)
John Carson
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kmg365 wrote:
In the 70's these people would be considered, right wing wackjobs by the legacy media
They are right-wing wackjobs.
John Carson
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kmg365 wrote:
“I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
Exactly. That is why I never go anywhere without my tinfoil hat. :)
John Carson
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Ilíon wrote:
ain't nobody gonna be survivin
I suspect some would disagree with you, and they may be your neighbors. How do you feel about that? Does it make you uneasy?
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kmg365 wrote:
I suspect some would disagree with you, and they may be your neighbors. How do you feel about that? Does it make you uneasy?
Why should it make me uneasy that some folk just can't see/grasp reality?
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kmg365 wrote:
I suspect some would disagree with you, and they may be your neighbors. How do you feel about that? Does it make you uneasy?
Why should it make me uneasy that some folk just can't see/grasp reality?
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Intel 4004 wrote:
I cant wait until your ill-preparedness blows up in your face. What will you think about your economic policies then?
Wait on, little boy. Perhaps wisdom will come to you eventually.
John Carson
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kmg365 wrote:
In the 70's these people would be considered, right wing wackjobs by the legacy media
also sounds a helluva lot like global warming alarmists. But making sure you can survive chaos in today's world makes a damn sight more sense than believing you can change the climate.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Intel 4004 wrote:
I cant wait until your ill-preparedness blows up in your face. What will you think about your economic policies then?
Wait on, little boy. Perhaps wisdom will come to you eventually.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Perhaps wisdom will come to you eventually
Only if wisdom can be found at the bottom of a bottle or in a container of pills.
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kmg365 wrote:
In the 70's these people would be considered, right wing wackjobs by the legacy media
also sounds a helluva lot like global warming alarmists. But making sure you can survive chaos in today's world makes a damn sight more sense than believing you can change the climate.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
But making sure you can survive chaos in today's world makes a damn sight more sense than believing you can change the climate.
But making sure you can survive starts with being someone who can. The food, ammo, weapons, and lifestyle are just tools. They'd be of no use to a lot of folks who have lived their lives assuming that society would always take care of them.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
But making sure you can survive chaos in today's world makes a damn sight more sense than believing you can change the climate.
But making sure you can survive starts with being someone who can. The food, ammo, weapons, and lifestyle are just tools. They'd be of no use to a lot of folks who have lived their lives assuming that society would always take care of them.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
The food, ammo, weapons, and lifestyle are just tools. They'd be of no use to a lot of folks who have lived their lives assuming that society would always take care of them.
agreed but it is still difficult (for me, anyway) to be sneeringly critical of good instincts and taking steps to protect your family in a period of potential chaos is no more than that. it is elitist, ignorant and plain foolish to think otherwise.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
modified on Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:45 AM
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It was actually a reasonable take. I don't see how there could be any controversy over people attempting to prepare for an emergency.
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It was actually a reasonable take. I don't see how there could be any controversy over people attempting to prepare for an emergency.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Chris Austin wrote:
I don't see how there could be any controversy over people attempting to prepare for an emergency.
Are you prepared for the law requiring that, in the time of a disaster, anyone who has a survival kit must take in either a minority family, two homeless people and their shopping carts, or three governmental employees?
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Chris Austin wrote:
I don't see how there could be any controversy over people attempting to prepare for an emergency.
Are you prepared for the law requiring that, in the time of a disaster, anyone who has a survival kit must take in either a minority family, two homeless people and their shopping carts, or three governmental employees?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Anything but the gubbermint peeps. :laugh:
You really gotta try harder to keep up with everyone that's not on the short bus with you. - John Simmons / outlaw programmer.
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Chris Austin wrote:
I don't see how there could be any controversy over people attempting to prepare for an emergency.
Are you prepared for the law requiring that, in the time of a disaster, anyone who has a survival kit must take in either a minority family, two homeless people and their shopping carts, or three governmental employees?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
I hadn't thought of that! And that if frighteningly close to the thought process of the current administration. I can hear it now; "If you took a federal tax refund, and you have made certain provisions in the case of an emergency then you are required to...."
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kmg365 wrote:
In the 70's these people would be considered, right wing wackjobs by the legacy media
They are right-wing wackjobs.
John Carson
Un huh. If there's one thing California is known for, it's right-wing nutjobs. :rolleyes:
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
But making sure you can survive chaos in today's world makes a damn sight more sense than believing you can change the climate.
But making sure you can survive starts with being someone who can. The food, ammo, weapons, and lifestyle are just tools. They'd be of no use to a lot of folks who have lived their lives assuming that society would always take care of them.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
That all makes sense... But if all that is true, then why would democrats try so hard to build a world they could never live in? ;P [disclaimer] Given that this post is jokingly rhetorical and sarcastic, any replies will be met with only more jocular sarcasm. Just so's ya knows [\disclaimer]
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