C++ Anyone?
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To be serious for a moment…C++ templates actually make-up a compile-time pure functional programming language over the C++ type system, possibly (probably, I'm not entirely sure) with lazy evaluation as well. So I suspect they're rather more functional than the C# generics :-)
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
C# generics are plain anaemic compares to C++ templates. It's part of the overall design philosophy to make C# easy to use rather than powerful if there's ever a choice between the two. That's serious, I was told that by the C# team.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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No.
errr... Yes.
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I'm looking into getting back into software development. I think this is the perfect opportunity to consider abandoning MS/.net and get on the solid platform that C++ has to offer. Are there any C++ programmers out there that program in C++ because they like it more than .net?
That is what I will do. You feel part of some sort of nobility (albeit recognized only by your peers) when you can run the whole gamut of ATL, WTL, STL. It's the .Net Framework that killed C++ on Windows and only the framework. If librairies as complete and unified could enter the arena, the language would be revived by popular demand. But I am pessimistic. Nevertheless, although a chilly pain since its inception due to the asinian lack of librairies, C++ is still firmly anchored. It ages well and it remains definitely OK for cross-platform development (wxWidgets, Qt and others ...).
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That is what I will do. You feel part of some sort of nobility (albeit recognized only by your peers) when you can run the whole gamut of ATL, WTL, STL. It's the .Net Framework that killed C++ on Windows and only the framework. If librairies as complete and unified could enter the arena, the language would be revived by popular demand. But I am pessimistic. Nevertheless, although a chilly pain since its inception due to the asinian lack of librairies, C++ is still firmly anchored. It ages well and it remains definitely OK for cross-platform development (wxWidgets, Qt and others ...).
Simple Inheritance wrote:
Nevertheless, although a chilly pain since its inception due to the asinian lack of librairies,
Agreed. The lack of some sort of standardized libraries is incomprehensible. .NET and Java puts so many tools in the developer's hand while C++ only has STL to offer and
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Why are people down-voting CSS on this post? You might think he's a poes on the SoapBox, but a totally legitimate developer question should not attract down-votes. You people can often be such small minded poesses. (Sorry if I didn't spell that right)
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I'm looking into getting back into software development. I think this is the perfect opportunity to consider abandoning MS/.net and get on the solid platform that C++ has to offer. Are there any C++ programmers out there that program in C++ because they like it more than .net?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'm looking into getting back into software development.
Professional or hobby?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I think this is the perfect opportunity to consider abandoning MS/.net and get on the solid platform that C++ has to offer.
If it's for professional purposes, then try to look at what the market is asking.
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Why are people down-voting CSS on this post? You might think he's a poes on the SoapBox, but a totally legitimate developer question should not attract down-votes. You people can often be such small minded poesses. (Sorry if I didn't spell that right)
Brady Kelly wrote:
Why are people down-voting CSS on this post?
Just a guess, since I didn't vote, but it may be due to the phrasing of his query.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I think this is the perfect opportunity to consider abandoning MS/.net and get on the solid platform that C++ has to offer.
Go down to a bakers-convention and say "these electric ovens are crap, who thinks I'm right and wants to go back to an open fire in the backyard?" :cool:
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WPF, in my opinion, it is for junk software. That crap that comes with store bought computers and add-on hardware is super-bloated junk that tries to compete with all the other software for the users attention by using big round flashing buttons and giant windows with nothing of real substance in them. I want to write real code that isn't some marketing scam from MS that is going to become obsolete in a year or two and force everyone to learn another three letter acronym and buy a whole new bookshelf full of books.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I want to write real code that isn't some marketing scam from MS that is going to become obsolete in a year or two
Ahhh the dream. I always think Im doing well if I dont think my codes obsolete by the time its compiled.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
You people can often be such small minded poesses. (Sorry if I didn't spell that right)
How else would you spell poesses? I wonder what it's supposed to mean?
You might spell it with one 's'. It's the Afrikaans plural for a poes. The translation is not KSS, but I'm sure any young Afrikaans girls that might read this can hold their own.
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C# generics are plain anaemic compares to C++ templates. It's part of the overall design philosophy to make C# easy to use rather than powerful if there's ever a choice between the two. That's serious, I was told that by the C# team.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Is true. C++ templates are pretty simple IF you consider the use cases possible with C# generics. Go beyond that (with templates) and you'd better now what you're doing! But as most developers use, rather than write templates, it's a moot point really.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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WPF, in my opinion, it is for junk software. That crap that comes with store bought computers and add-on hardware is super-bloated junk that tries to compete with all the other software for the users attention by using big round flashing buttons and giant windows with nothing of real substance in them. I want to write real code that isn't some marketing scam from MS that is going to become obsolete in a year or two and force everyone to learn another three letter acronym and buy a whole new bookshelf full of books.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
WPF, in my opinion, it is for junk software
WPF is a UI framework, nothing more. It has a number of features that give it great appeal, once you've learned how to use it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That crap that comes with store bought computers and add-on hardware is super-bloated junk that tries to compete with all the other software for the users attention by using big round flashing buttons and giant windows with nothing of real substance in them.
The irony in that statement is that the people who develop crapware like that have been doing it since the dawn of personal computing. The only thing that changes is their methodology. WPF certainly isn't the cause.
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Is true. C++ templates are pretty simple IF you consider the use cases possible with C# generics. Go beyond that (with templates) and you'd better now what you're doing! But as most developers use, rather than write templates, it's a moot point really.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
Frankly, I've always thought that templates could be overused and abused just as badly as the preprocessor. I've seen heavily-templated code that was close to unreadable because the author was so entranced with doing everything via templates.
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I'm looking into getting back into software development. I think this is the perfect opportunity to consider abandoning MS/.net and get on the solid platform that C++ has to offer. Are there any C++ programmers out there that program in C++ because they like it more than .net?
My current project, The Big New Thing™ is actually a mix. The front end application is C#/WPF, and the back end services are C++/MFC. Previous products were pure C++/MFC. The front end UI was vastly more involved to program than the new one has been. As always, pick the appropriate tool for the job.
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Frankly, I've always thought that templates could be overused and abused just as badly as the preprocessor. I've seen heavily-templated code that was close to unreadable because the author was so entranced with doing everything via templates.
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Fold With Us![^]Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
Frankly, I've always thought that templates could be overused and abused just as badly as the preprocessor
Course they can. Anything can. OO, inheritance - they could be substituted for 'templates' in that sentence. But there's a difference between library code, which has a desire to be maximally reusable, and application code, which doesn't have that requirement. I'm quite happy to use libraries like Boost, which use templates like they were going out of fashion, but write that code? Na, not so much (although I have done at times when I needed to).
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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If you want to do that, you'd do better to learn objective C and program for the Mac. I can't imagine how C++ is competitive in the Windows world outside of niche markets. Why would something that takes longer to work with, make you competitive. ( FWIW, I love C++, but the reality is, things like WPF are the future for Windows )
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I can't imagine how C++ is competitive in the Windows world outside of niche markets
There are TONS of software out there written in C++. Software that is still being extended. Hardly "niche" markets.
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You might spell it with one 's'. It's the Afrikaans plural for a poes. The translation is not KSS, but I'm sure any young Afrikaans girls that might read this can hold their own.
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
Frankly, I've always thought that templates could be overused and abused just as badly as the preprocessor
Course they can. Anything can. OO, inheritance - they could be substituted for 'templates' in that sentence. But there's a difference between library code, which has a desire to be maximally reusable, and application code, which doesn't have that requirement. I'm quite happy to use libraries like Boost, which use templates like they were going out of fashion, but write that code? Na, not so much (although I have done at times when I needed to).
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
I've occasionally written template code, and you're right. I believe most of the time I've used it in general-purpose code rather than 'application' code. I also agree with your estimation of the Boost libraries. I've used Boost.RegEx in one project. Those developers are the intravenous heroin addicts of the programming world.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can't imagine how C++ is competitive in the Windows world outside of niche markets
There are TONS of software out there written in C++. Software that is still being extended. Hardly "niche" markets.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Same thing's true of FORTRAN, but it is a niche market.
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Not sure what KSS is (being of an age when TLAs tend to confuse me)! I'll ask my Afrikaaner daughter-in-law about poes, unless it's a really obscene word. :^)
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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Not sure what KSS is (being of an age when TLAs tend to confuse me)! I'll ask my Afrikaaner daughter-in-law about poes, unless it's a really obscene word. :^)