Another victim of the economy
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I am in the other side of this frustration. It appears there are no 5 year C++ programmers in the Pittsburgh area that want a job writing Qt applications for $55K. Okay I do admit the starting salary is low however this is out of my control.
John
John M. Drescher wrote:
It appears there are no 5 year C++ programmers in the Pittsburgh area that want a job writing Qt applications for $55K. Okay I do admit the starting salary is low however this is out of my control.
Yeah, it is most certainly the pay. I have a few guys on the team that do similar work and they are making about double that out here in Dallas where the cost of living is similar.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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John M. Drescher wrote:
It appears there are no 5 year C++ programmers in the Pittsburgh area that want a job writing Qt applications for $55K. Okay I do admit the starting salary is low however this is out of my control.
Yeah, it is most certainly the pay. I have a few guys on the team that do similar work and they are making about double that out here in Dallas where the cost of living is similar.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Searches Monster for "Dallas software developer"...
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John M. Drescher wrote:
It appears there are no 5 year C++ programmers in the Pittsburgh area that want a job writing Qt applications for $55K. Okay I do admit the starting salary is low however this is out of my control.
Yeah, it is most certainly the pay. I have a few guys on the team that do similar work and they are making about double that out here in Dallas where the cost of living is similar.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Searches Monster for "Dallas software developer"...
Me too. Although no comment on the salary.
John
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The problem working for a university is that hr sets the pay scales from what they believe is acceptable. We do have one benefit that you generally do not get elsewhere though. I mean after 3 years they match your retirement account contribution by $1.50 for every $1.00 you contribute up to your max contribution of 8% which is 12% match from their side. Also, after 60 days I believe its is $1.00 to $1.00 match.
John
Are there education benefits as well?
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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$100k for five years is well outside of normal Pittsburgh pay scales. $60-70k sounds about right; although I'm not willing to visit that sort of site from work to check.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
I have no idea what the pay scales are in Pitt. But, we do pay a little on the high side here and have pretty high expectations.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Are there education benefits as well?
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
I believe it costs like $15 per credit and a person can take 1 or 2 courses during working hours if they can make up the time. There was also a very good free healthcare program (because we are the #1 heath care provider in the region) but this benefit now has a monthly cost. Well that is if you want real coverage, the limited coverage HMO is still free.
John
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I believe it costs like $15 per credit and a person can take 1 or 2 courses during working hours if they can make up the time. There was also a very good free healthcare program (because we are the #1 heath care provider in the region) but this benefit now has a monthly cost. Well that is if you want real coverage, the limited coverage HMO is still free.
John
Ahh... I was thinking along the lines of education for the employees children. I remember back in the days when I was at ASU that university staff got a pretty good discount for their children. I don't know if it is still the same but that has always been in the back of my mind.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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Ahh... I was thinking along the lines of education for the employees children. I remember back in the days when I was at ASU that university staff got a pretty good discount for their children. I don't know if it is still the same but that has always been in the back of my mind.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
I believe there is a big discount for that as well however I am not sure what the cost is.
John
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It looks like I will be on the next unemployment statistic for the US. Just as quick question, does anyone have any great ideas on the job search in this market (Or lack of market) and what is the best way to go about it? I am in the east valley of Phoenix, AZ which was booming with jobs two years ago but seems to be as dried up as the weather today. Any advice would be better than no advice. :sigh:
Good luck finding work. The only advice that I can offer is that you should try and work your network of friends and contacts as much as possible to try and find those 'hidden' jobs.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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I have no idea what the pay scales are in Pitt. But, we do pay a little on the high side here and have pretty high expectations.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
The hiring range is $41,784.00 - $67,416.00 + benifits for a Programmer IV (highest level - well except the V but that is a special case) no exceptions. After being around 1 year the range is up to the mid 90s. Again this figure does not include any benefits.
John
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I have no idea what the pay scales are in Pitt. But, we do pay a little on the high side here and have pretty high expectations.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
Dallas is part of a much larger metro area. DFW is 6.3M people in 9300 square miles, vs Greater Pittsburgh having 2.5M is 5300. That's about 50% higher population density; and I suspect you'd need to go alot farther out from the center to reach areas that haven't had realestate pumped up by urban sprawl. Our real estate market never went insane a few years ago, so our wages never went up to feed the bubble.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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I also have the age thing going on and I am way south of AJ, more like the Queen Creek area.
I remember when Queen Creek was the boonies (and essentially non-existent save a few houses.) BTW, one reason I've never seriously looked at moving back to Phoenix was that the jobs weren't where I wanted to live and commuting in Phoenix was a nightmare. Haven't lived there since the new freeways were put in, so I don't know if anything has changed.
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I am in the other side of this frustration. It appears there are no 5 year C++ programmers in the Pittsburgh area that want a job writing Qt applications for $55K. Okay I do admit the starting salary is low however this is out of my control.
John
John M. Drescher wrote:
Pittsburgh area
Pretty much killed any interest I might have had right there. Grew up on the east coast, moved west at eighteen and never looked back. (In the last 30 years, I've been east of the Mississippi, and still in the US, a total of three months and my parents, a sister and two brother still live back there. I did consider a job in Florida last year.)
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I remember when Queen Creek was the boonies (and essentially non-existent save a few houses.) BTW, one reason I've never seriously looked at moving back to Phoenix was that the jobs weren't where I wanted to live and commuting in Phoenix was a nightmare. Haven't lived there since the new freeways were put in, so I don't know if anything has changed.
There are a few more lanes but many - many more cars...
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Wow, I thought Craigslist was just for hookers! Good to know you can find jobs there too!
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Wow, I thought Craigslist was just for hookers! Good to know you can find jobs there too!
Most software development jobs are intellectual prostitution, after all. Marc
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
In my case, age may also be a silent factor.
Funnily enough my company will not hire anyone under 30 to a senior position. They want people who have kids, families mortgages etc as they tend to be more committed and take less time off. Result? Productive staff that need less supervision. Save money all round!
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Dalek Dave wrote:
They want people who have kids, families mortgages etc as they tend to be more committed and take less time off.
Slaves, in other words. ;) Marc
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I am in the other side of this frustration. It appears there are no 5 year C++ programmers in the Pittsburgh area that want a job writing Qt applications for $55K. Okay I do admit the starting salary is low however this is out of my control.
John
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Dallas is part of a much larger metro area. DFW is 6.3M people in 9300 square miles, vs Greater Pittsburgh having 2.5M is 5300. That's about 50% higher population density; and I suspect you'd need to go alot farther out from the center to reach areas that haven't had realestate pumped up by urban sprawl. Our real estate market never went insane a few years ago, so our wages never went up to feed the bubble.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
Yeah we certainly had a lot of population growth and sprawl the last decade. Luckily the area is so damn big that we didn't have wild housing inflation as well. Just lots and lots of new houses. We are luckier still that many of those homes that would have been vacant after the bubble popped have been kept occupied by continuing population growth.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell