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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

    explicitly stating that a member is "private",

    Which everyone should do. There should be no default access modifiers.

    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

    prefixing everything possible with "this".

    Which I also do. Just because. :cool:

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    PIEBALDconsult wrote:

    Which everyone should do. There should be no default access modifiers.

    Why?

    PIEBALDconsult wrote:

    Which I also do. Just because. :cool:

    The amount of symbols that you use to convey an idea would best be kept to a minimum.

    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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      PIEBALDconsult wrote:

      Which everyone should do. There should be no default access modifiers.

      Why?

      PIEBALDconsult wrote:

      Which I also do. Just because. :cool:

      The amount of symbols that you use to convey an idea would best be kept to a minimum.

      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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      Nagy Vilmos
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      No, you prefix the member if a class with this to prevent any ambiguity. The method or property on it's own only implies where it is. If I have this code:

      class Thingy {
      private int majig = 27;

      void summit() {
          if (majig > 42) {
            // clever code
          }
      }
      

      }

      And I copy the test to another method, all bad things could happen:

      void nuThang() {
          // lots of code
          int majig = 69;
      
          // lots more code
          // copied:
          if (majig > 42) {
            // clever code
          }
      }
      

      oops.


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      • N Nagy Vilmos

        No, you prefix the member if a class with this to prevent any ambiguity. The method or property on it's own only implies where it is. If I have this code:

        class Thingy {
        private int majig = 27;

        void summit() {
            if (majig > 42) {
              // clever code
            }
        }
        

        }

        And I copy the test to another method, all bad things could happen:

        void nuThang() {
            // lots of code
            int majig = 69;
        
            // lots more code
            // copied:
            if (majig > 42) {
              // clever code
            }
        }
        

        oops.


        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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        Copy/paste is often an invitation not to check what you just pasted. Your example might be a nice example on why we introduced the DRY principle, but being this abstract, one can't be sure. But no, I'd not be bloating my code for the sake of "easy copies". If it's that re-usable, I'll take the time to make it a snippet. --edit;

        Nagy Vilmos wrote:

        No, you prefix the member if a class with this to prevent any ambiguity

        ..the same kind of ambiguity that you have if you don't use the full name against a type, including it's namespace. Do you have global variables that clash with the names of the property/method that you're calling from the current object that you need to specify explicitly that you need the property/method from "this" object?

        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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        • N Nagy Vilmos

          No, you prefix the member if a class with this to prevent any ambiguity. The method or property on it's own only implies where it is. If I have this code:

          class Thingy {
          private int majig = 27;

          void summit() {
              if (majig > 42) {
                // clever code
              }
          }
          

          }

          And I copy the test to another method, all bad things could happen:

          void nuThang() {
              // lots of code
              int majig = 69;
          
              // lots more code
              // copied:
              if (majig > 42) {
                // clever code
              }
          }
          

          oops.


          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

          you prefix the member if a class with this to prevent any ambiguity

          Correct.

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          • S Sentenryu

            I don't see the shame on this, this guy just like to write long names :|

            I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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            thatraja
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            Sentenryu wrote:

            I don't see the shame on this, this guy just like to write long names :|

            :doh: Huh? I don't, read my message again. I don't want the repetitions so I just mentioned the namespace at the top & replaced things.

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              I disagree, it's just code, the compiler doesn't care* and it's better to give the next developer too much information rather than too little. But could they have all shared one static instance? How often are these methods called? Are there threading issues? How big do the StringBuilders become? Can you estimate how big? If large, then pre-allocating enough memory or re-using existing instances can eliminate a lot of needless re-allocation. * However, I suspect that when you use the using directive** the compiler must have to spend some additional time looking them up. ** Qualification added for clarification.

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              thatraja
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              There I mentioned StringBuilder is just an example. I found many similar things like below.

              System.Diagnostics.Trace.Write
              System.Diagnostics.Trace.WriteLine
              System.Drawing.Color
              System.Configuration.Configuration
              System.IO.StreamWriter
              System.IO.StreamReader
              System.IO.FileInfo
              System.IO.FileStream
              System.IO.StringReader
              System.IO.StringWriter
              System.IO.TextReader
              System.IO.TextWriter
              System.Xml.XmlDocument
              etc.,
              ....
              ...
              ..
              .

              Why so much repetitions? After that some more 100s of replacements done. Namespace at top.

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                Sentenryu wrote:

                I don't see the shame on this, this guy just like to write long names :|

                :doh: Huh? I don't, read my message again. I don't want the repetitions so I just mentioned the namespace at the top & replaced things.

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                Sentenryu
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                #25

                I was talking about the original programmer, is that you?

                I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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                • L Lost User

                  Sentenryu wrote:

                  But it's a matter of taste.

                  No, it's not. Bloating code is an offence. Three offences, you're out.

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                  BillW33
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                  But, some folk like to bloat their code. ;) ;) I agree, there is no good reason to do this, but it is not as bad as wacky, buggy code.

                  Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.

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                  • B BillW33

                    But, some folk like to bloat their code. ;) ;) I agree, there is no good reason to do this, but it is not as bad as wacky, buggy code.

                    Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.

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                    CIDev wrote:

                    I agree, there is no good reason to do this, but it is not as bad as wacky, buggy code.

                    To quote one of the arguments why it is;

                    CIDev wrote:

                    Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.

                    And that's easy to explain; the more symbols you need to convey an idea, the more chances that there's an error in the communication. The more symbols, the more fluff, the more bugs.

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss:

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                    • T thatraja

                      I found 100+ StringBuilders in a module(see below).

                      function string function1()
                      {
                      System.Text.StringBuilder sb1 = new System.Text.StringBuilder();
                      ....
                      ...
                      }
                      function void method1()
                      {
                      System.Text.StringBuilder sb2 = new System.Text.StringBuilder();
                      ....
                      ...
                      }
                      function string function3()
                      {
                      System.Text.StringBuilder sb3 = new System.Text.StringBuilder();
                      ....
                      ...
                      }
                      ....
                      ...

                      X| Then I have Included the namespace at top of the module.

                      using System.Text;

                      And replaced System.Text.StringBuilder with StringBuilder

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                      Sander Rossel
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                      Not that it's a good excuse, but it makes copy/pasting the code easier :) If you'd import the System.Text Namespace and copy/pasted the entire thing to another file you'd get an error for every StringBuilder. StringBuilder is a common class that should be known to all programmers, but for some of the more 'obscure' classes I prefer to use the entire namespace. Something like: SomeCompany.ThirdPartyTool.Library.PartINeed.SubPart.TheActualClass. At least now everyone who reads the code knows where this TheActualClass comes from, even if they didn't know the third party component. What I find even more annoying than having System.Text.StringBuilder 100+ times in your code is having lots of imports/using statements at the top of every code file. Especially when half of them aren't used. In C# you can right-click and remove unused imports. VB (unfortunately) doesn't have this option (and please save me the C# vs. VB discussion). I wouldn't call this a code horror, but in this case an import of System.Text does seem logical. The real horror might be that you use 100+ StringBuilders instead of re-use one... But I'll leave that to you :)

                      It's an OO world.

                      public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
                      public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
                      }

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                      • S Sentenryu

                        I was talking about the original programmer, is that you?

                        I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)

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                        Sentenryu wrote:

                        I was talking about the original programmer, is that you?

                        No

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                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                          Not that it's a good excuse, but it makes copy/pasting the code easier :) If you'd import the System.Text Namespace and copy/pasted the entire thing to another file you'd get an error for every StringBuilder. StringBuilder is a common class that should be known to all programmers, but for some of the more 'obscure' classes I prefer to use the entire namespace. Something like: SomeCompany.ThirdPartyTool.Library.PartINeed.SubPart.TheActualClass. At least now everyone who reads the code knows where this TheActualClass comes from, even if they didn't know the third party component. What I find even more annoying than having System.Text.StringBuilder 100+ times in your code is having lots of imports/using statements at the top of every code file. Especially when half of them aren't used. In C# you can right-click and remove unused imports. VB (unfortunately) doesn't have this option (and please save me the C# vs. VB discussion). I wouldn't call this a code horror, but in this case an import of System.Text does seem logical. The real horror might be that you use 100+ StringBuilders instead of re-use one... But I'll leave that to you :)

                          It's an OO world.

                          public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
                          public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
                          }

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                          Edward Giles
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                          "VB (unfortunately) doesn't have this option (and please save me the C# vs. VB discussion)." It does have that option, at least in the version I've used (VB2010)

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                          • E Edward Giles

                            "VB (unfortunately) doesn't have this option (and please save me the C# vs. VB discussion)." It does have that option, at least in the version I've used (VB2010)

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                            Sander Rossel
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                            Really? I was never able to find it. Just right click and...?

                            It's an OO world.

                            public class Naerling : Lazy<Person>{
                            public void DoWork(){ throw new NotImplementedException(); }
                            }

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