200K-350K salary for MFC programmer!
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Masaaki Onishi wrote: Can you believe this? Yes, There are folk getting that kind of money. Lets say you can write apps that will help your company generate an extra 20 Million a year ? What should your salary be ? It is interesting though that just by offering megabucks does not mean you will get better applicants. For a long time I have been arguing that software developers are way underpaid, for the impact they have on business and the community. Possibly that is why software development has been attracting the wrong type of people for some time. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Exactly ! No one would blink if this was a sales / marketing / management job. So why are commercially aware senior developers / architects not entitled to similar reward for effort. Either because you can generate that extra revenue or save it off the bottom line.
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igor1960 wrote: For that money: I'll write it in assembly For that money I'll do it in ones and zeros, and if the budget is tight, I'll find a way to do without the zeros. We didn't always have them in the old days, you know...
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Colin Davies wrote: There are folk getting that kind of money. Actually, I have never heard of one average team lead making over $300K for MFC, even in the boom years ;) What a company makes on your work seldom dictates your salary. They usually give you what they call "Market", that meaning as little as they can get by with and you still to perform the job. A few years back I worked for this one company that was golden. They even had their clients paying for them to fix their bugs. Hmm. Once client wanted a slight modification which required around 40 man hours. The job was split between another fellow and me and was completed in less than a week. The company was out at the most $2,500 - $3,000 included the time for the person to jot down the brief specs for the job. The company billed them for $400K. A few months later the company said they had just completed a market review for the area and peoples salaries would be adjusted accordingly. Not that the company was needed to cut salaries, they just noticed that they could get others to work for less. Of course, for most that would have meant less. I split before that new "Market" salary took effect. Rocky Moore <><
Rocky Moore wrote: What a company makes on your work seldom dictates your salary. I agree, but not all employers take the same approach. Financial services is a good example of an industry where knowledge = power = money. Thus to be able to extract the best information, paying way in excess of the 'market' rate is logical. Some employers actualy see this logic. I had a company I contracted to 4 years ago who basically said I could take a cut of what I made for the company. That particular company was headed by real logical folk and achieved a spectacular success, until they were sold to a useless mega Insurance block. In most cases though you recieve what you manage to negotiate for. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Exactly ! No one would blink if this was a sales / marketing / management job. So why are commercially aware senior developers / architects not entitled to similar reward for effort. Either because you can generate that extra revenue or save it off the bottom line.
Great to see someone else on the same wavelength. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Yep thats not unusual, but they are probably looking for people with very good maths and a clear understanding of the business at hand - as its trading then thats how they can afford to pay for it. Seems only fair that if they get someone in that can work in a high pressure trading environment that they share in some of the spoils, otherwise 6 months down the line the person would leave feeling they have been chaeted when they see how much everyone else is earning.
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Giles wrote: clear understanding of the business at hand - as its trading then thats how they can afford to pay for it. Seems only fair that if they get someone in that can work in a high pressure trading environment that they share in some of the spoils agreed, anyone they employ, the will expect results and outcomes from. Being able to understand the industry will be just as important as the coding skills. I guess they wish to attract the best the industry has to offer. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
May be off-topic, but the 200-350K range is typical in Francs money, not in dollars. It translates to 30-55K in dollars. May be the guy just cross-posted the job ad without paying enough attention. Taking advantage of InternetExplorer to steal user's name and password. Taking advantage of InternetExplorer to steal user's clipboard.
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
I work on an intensive straight through processing system that I developed myself. The guy who will take this job will have to give his life to his company. But that is only half of the salary. You see - compensation in the financial business is not the value of your work - but the value of the know how that you can take with you when you leave the company. Many financial companies develop complex quantitative analysis packages and base their whole strategies on it. The programmer with know how about these systems is KEY person in such company - and the only way company can keep their investment safe is by buying his absolute loyalty. 200K - 300K does exactly that. Anyone disagrees? Kind Regards, Tomaz
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Giles wrote: clear understanding of the business at hand - as its trading then thats how they can afford to pay for it. Seems only fair that if they get someone in that can work in a high pressure trading environment that they share in some of the spoils agreed, anyone they employ, the will expect results and outcomes from. Being able to understand the industry will be just as important as the coding skills. I guess they wish to attract the best the industry has to offer. Regardz Colin J Davies
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There was a similar job advertised on www.jobnet.com.au for the last six months or so, it doesn't seem to be there now, I don't know whether they filled it or gave up. From memory they were offering AUD 150k or USD 100k bit of a difference !!!
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I work on an intensive straight through processing system that I developed myself. The guy who will take this job will have to give his life to his company. But that is only half of the salary. You see - compensation in the financial business is not the value of your work - but the value of the know how that you can take with you when you leave the company. Many financial companies develop complex quantitative analysis packages and base their whole strategies on it. The programmer with know how about these systems is KEY person in such company - and the only way company can keep their investment safe is by buying his absolute loyalty. 200K - 300K does exactly that. Anyone disagrees? Kind Regards, Tomaz
It depends, how much is that after tax. complex quantitative analysis packages, one of the financial papers here runs a regular 10 week virtual trading competition. Monkeys, schools kids and the dart board regulary win the competition. So they know the price of everything and the value of nothing eh.
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It depends, how much is that after tax. complex quantitative analysis packages, one of the financial papers here runs a regular 10 week virtual trading competition. Monkeys, schools kids and the dart board regulary win the competition. So they know the price of everything and the value of nothing eh.
> complex quantitative analysis packages, one of the financial papers here > runs a regular 10 week virtual trading competition. Monkeys, schools kids > and the dart board regulary win the competition I work for a company where a study comparing brokers and machines was made and trading decisions were trusted to the machines. They put a hell of an effort to prevent reverse engineering of their patterns, but if an insider would decide to go to another company that would exposed them dangerously. The know how that predicts the market is not half as valuable as the know how to predict their every move... Tomaz
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> complex quantitative analysis packages, one of the financial papers here > runs a regular 10 week virtual trading competition. Monkeys, schools kids > and the dart board regulary win the competition I work for a company where a study comparing brokers and machines was made and trading decisions were trusted to the machines. They put a hell of an effort to prevent reverse engineering of their patterns, but if an insider would decide to go to another company that would exposed them dangerously. The know how that predicts the market is not half as valuable as the know how to predict their every move... Tomaz
Interesting perspective. I hope you realize that these people and systems are just vampires sucking away at our lives and the productive work we do throughout them.
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I work on an intensive straight through processing system that I developed myself. The guy who will take this job will have to give his life to his company. But that is only half of the salary. You see - compensation in the financial business is not the value of your work - but the value of the know how that you can take with you when you leave the company. Many financial companies develop complex quantitative analysis packages and base their whole strategies on it. The programmer with know how about these systems is KEY person in such company - and the only way company can keep their investment safe is by buying his absolute loyalty. 200K - 300K does exactly that. Anyone disagrees? Kind Regards, Tomaz
tstih wrote: Many financial companies develop complex quantitative analysis packages and base their whole strategies on it. The programmer with know how about these systems is KEY person in such company - and the only way company can keep their investment safe is by buying his absolute loyalty. 200K - 300K does exactly that. Anyone disagrees? Yes, I disagree. Companies that put so much emphasis on a single person's ability/knowledge are obviously run by people who know nothing about how to run a business. Marc Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
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tstih wrote: Many financial companies develop complex quantitative analysis packages and base their whole strategies on it. The programmer with know how about these systems is KEY person in such company - and the only way company can keep their investment safe is by buying his absolute loyalty. 200K - 300K does exactly that. Anyone disagrees? Yes, I disagree. Companies that put so much emphasis on a single person's ability/knowledge are obviously run by people who know nothing about how to run a business. Marc Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
A doable project is one that is small enough to be done quickly and big enough to be interesting - Ken Orr
Latest AAL Article My blog> Yes, I disagree. Companies that put so much emphasis on a single > person's ability/knowledge are obviously run by people who know > nothing about how to run a business. You can hide the overview of the system from the engineers and delegate a part to each individual - but at the top someone will have the full picture. It is very likely that two or more persons will have the full picture (in case something happens to one of them). But there is a trade off to pay. The more people know it - the more exposed you are. Tomaz
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Interesting perspective. I hope you realize that these people and systems are just vampires sucking away at our lives and the productive work we do throughout them.
Someone has to so I decided to put my blood on the market and get the most of it. Tomaz
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Someone has to so I decided to put my blood on the market and get the most of it. Tomaz
Understood. Have you ever read 'the velocity of money' fiction.
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I thought all people who contributed articles to CodeProject got paid that kind of money :confused: Cheers, Tom Archer Inside C#,
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
2 things: 1) Its in NY city with has has one of the highest cost of living in the US. Semi-Nice apts can go for like 4000 a month. 2) The money is also probabaly a lot for the NON-tech experience.. Its very specific. "Convertible Bonds Experience" How many programmers you think have this experience. Joseph Dempsey joseph_r_dempsey@yahoo.com "What?, Of course its fireproof! ...... < 10 Minutes later in the ER > Sorry..." How about, "Bugs?, of course there are not bugs .... < 3 weeks after Production Release > Sorry..."
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Hello, the CPians around the world. ;) Can you believe this? http://www.windowsdevelopment.computerjobs.com/job_display.aspx?jobid=1499382&siteid=123&sort=pd&view=s&searchid=55341200&page=1&published=[^] I'v never heard that one programmer might get $200K - 350K salary? Ouch. X| -Masaaki Onishi (eCoolSoft)- ASP.NET Web and Windows Application Development by C# and MFC. eCoolWebPanelBar(BETA) is availabe now. http://www.ecoolsoft.net/homepages.aspx
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igor1960 wrote: For that money: I'll write it in assembly For that money I'll do it in ones and zeros, and if the budget is tight, I'll find a way to do without the zeros. We didn't always have them in the old days, you know...
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igor1960 wrote: For that money: I'll write it in assembly For that money I'll do it in ones and zeros, and if the budget is tight, I'll find a way to do without the zeros. We didn't always have them in the old days, you know...
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- Proposed Sign at CA/AZ BorderRoger Wright wrote: For that money I'll do it in ones and zeros, and if the budget is tight, I'll find a way to do without the zeros. We didn't always have them in the old days, you know... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: John
