That about sums it up here, too. There's lot's of technical info presented at a rapid-fire pace that is impossible to absorb, as well, along with a ton of hype about features that aren't quite done yet. The most important things (aside from the really good food) fall into two classes: The very lovely young women who actually know the products and technology - unlike the hired cheesecake at Comdex - and the freebies they hand out. I got my first copy of Win2K about a year and a half before it was released, and so had a chance to play with it long before I had to deal with it professionally. That alone was priceless, as buying even a pre-release copy would have been completely out of my range. If only I could find one that offers a free MSDN Universal subscription to attendees... "When in danger, fear, or doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!" - Lorelei and Lapis Lazuli Long