ok. let's skip it it is not worth it anymore, I am not going to continue it anymore. I'm not sure what you meant with that "words fail me", in any case, I had asked a simple question and wanted a simple answer. Maybe I had to better formulate that I was actually looking for a good book (of course there exists notion of good book, i.e., one that is popular and well received in the community - I think I didn't say anything new here). What I meant more particularly with good book, could be a book that is: easily comprehensible, covers sufficiently many details etc. anyway.....

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And how do you define "good"?

easily

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Thanks. It was not my intention to engage in some heated debates, just I get surprised sometimes how people can "insult" you or deduce things like whether you know how to use google or not etc. Thanks for the book anyway, but I think I won't be concentrating on PHP anymore. changed my plans. if i need it i know now where to start from.

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I did, he now has a link to a Google search result containing lots of stuff about PHP. Whether it is useful or not I could not say.

Well that's my point. There maybe lots of books on the internet and tutorials, but I was not willing to spend my time on reading a mediocre one. Rather as I said I wanted to be directed to a good book on this subject - and that is basically what I asked for. As for the comments of the second person named Andrei: no comments.

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Very smart reply right? I'd give you an appropriate answer but I won't as I am on a public forum, so I will restrain myself from this - and don't tell you what you actually deserve. As for the question, Google would not help here - because I was looking for an expert advice; meaning, there maybe lots of books on the internet, but I was asking for your (or the audiences more precisely; your answer I have already received and it was quite unhelpful) as to which book is "nice"/good.

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Hi people, Can anyone please tell me what is the best and fastest way to learn PHP? I am referring to if someone has a link to some nice tutorial or a nice book which is available online. Thanks!. ps. How long do you think it could take to learn it?

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Well, I think the motivation is following. If Security is relevant for your application than you better start thinking about how and where to implement it from start (because for example it can affect other considerations of the system architecture, or it maybe difficult to integrate it in later stages). These are the reasons in my opinion, here are few articles that mention that security as an afterthought is a bad idea, although I guess they don't say anything specific. http://docs.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/3/html/Introduction_to_System_Administration/s1-philosophy-security.html[^] http://www.netlib.com/blog/Data-Security-Technology/mobile-data-security-should-not-be-an-afterthought.asp[^] Hope this helps. (But believe me security as an afterthought is really considered a bad idea in security world as I said). ps. Finally, I think for your application you should define what your security requirements are and then start thinking what actions to take

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So, they just say that and assert that security is the last thing you should implement.

That's against all the wisdom in the security world... I'll try to find some useful links to convince either you or your colleagues :)

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Hey, I am not familiar with Godels theorem. However, indeed the fact that such problems exist (e.g., NP) and haven't been solved for such a long time, suggest how complicated they really are

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No matter how great programmer you think you are there is always some problem to solve that is out of your reach

I agree with some previous replies; that one should move forward. But to encourage you even more :D I will tell you that there are problems which probably you won't even solve :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_computer_science[^]

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Thanks. point 6 makes a lot of sense :) I'll think about the others :) THanks.

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Aaaah sorry. I see you have split it into paragraphs.. ok.. if it makes it more readable

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Thank you for your feedback. I think I will give a try to "something"; and then hope it won't be too late to change "roles" e.g., from software engineer, to information security related path or vice versa. depending on how things will develop... :)

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Good luck, whatever you decide to do.

Thanks.!

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It's BSc/MSc in Computer Science; although MSc had a focus on Information Security. The thing now is as I said, if I compare programming with InfoSec, the main difference is that programming is something that I like. But I was thinking if in any case after some years I may end up with not doing programming even if I choose software engineering path (as I explained in my previous post) maybe it is worth doing something else? Also, I am considering my age and that's why I am asking. Thanks for clarifications.

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I am modifying my previous post as was requested before by some users and try to be more clear. I was asking for some advice in my situation if it is possible of course. The thing is I will soon be 27 and I have a BSc/MSc in Computer Science, however my MSc was more information security related. So far I have been working more into administrative/organizational matters. The small dilemma I have now is following. The thing is I like programming and that is the only (or the main) reason why I am thinking to go to software engineering (SE) career. But then I am thinking-it maybe the case that after some years, when I progress more on my career, I maybe not busy with programming anymore; i.e., maybe because I went as a software architect or project management. But again that means I will not be doing something (programming) for which I chose this career some time ago. So maybe I should go for something else? Maybe information security? Or combine it with SE somehow? (and find such suitable job). Or regardless what I will do, still do programming on my own? Well. :)))) You can see how puzzled I am by these things?!. I will appreciate some input and thanks to all people who replied previously.

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very funny not saying anything about the post below etc.... :) :)

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thanks david. do u know a forum where to ask it?? let's try, good - highly paid? ...

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What constitutes a good programmer? Do you know any links which say something about this matter? e.g. skills etc.

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The imdb rating for this movie, is 7.00 which is a relatively poor rating.

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i guess one of the links worked:) :|

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