Sounds like you need to find an new profession. X|

No thanks, postgresql spammer. Get a real database.

No thanks.

very carefully.

#1> ??? #2> Not a bad idea, but I use both of those, so don't really have a reason to want to remove. #3> Open source has been around for years. I used to write 'free ware' back in the late 80's/early 90's which is the same thing. Open source is great for tooling around, but it's been taken a little to far these days. The IT business is about making money (as are most businesses). If you want to dick around with free stuff, fine - nothing/noone is stopping you. But if you want to be serious about programming as a profession, you dont give it away unless you are academic or non-profit - when was the last time you saw a doctor or lawyer crapping in their own nest as a rule (sure they do some pro-bono, but that's not a primary path)? I disagree with just about all tenants of the opensource movement as it currently exists especially the parts related to the GPL. I'm glad for microsoft for being successful - it's not a bad thing. Sun is a bunch of whiney pricks. I've used their stuff for years and it's not bad, but they are getting overrun quickly. There is not alot of reason to run their stuff these days, and I don't use/want java - so this project is a way to get rid of it, as it will shortly be forced down our throats even if we don't want it. Cheers...

Come join in the fun at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/java2trash/

Im creating a new project on sourceforge to remove java - a cross implementation version - IBM, SUN, MSFT, it doesnt matter this tool will get rid of that pesky court ordered:mad: Java safely. Look for Java2Trash in a few days. They have to approve the project first. With IBM running show on backend over there, I doubt it will make it through. Cheers

Id think fiber and a great server would be better than rusted Cu and a mediocre server. Just my opionion Cheers;P

dont even bother with yahoo anymore. digital wasteland springs to mind X|

Yeah, let's shut down people who don't think like you. Actually, it's the folks that don't think at all (95% of slashdot) that wouldn't bother me. Occassionally you will find some very insightful comments, but you have to read through hundreds of idiots to get there. Slashdot is hardly 'the place to go' for enlightened thought.

It's interesting the time on the slashdot article now says 3:33 (this is the update time when they added the brief summary, I think). I wonder if they will have some disclosure issues - there was recently something in the news about a company suing a news outlet over releasing their financials before they were officially released. Apparently they found the link on the site and used it. Surely messing with a Federal Judge and staff is not a good thing. It was originally intended to be released after the market closed, but I bet they had it prior. Shut down slashdot? That would be nice!;)

Microsoft wins! Judge accepted settlement. Maybe we can move on now!!!!Slashdot must have been trolling the court's web server - they had the links up at about 3:05 - 25 minutes before release.

You make it sound like these companies that CHOSE to deal with and negotiate stuff, that they were just a bunch of helpless schoolgirls. Example 1 is dumb - why would they do that? Could it be that Netscape is full of it? Probably. Example 2 - If MSFT violated a NDA, then Pen should have sued. Perhaps they did - i dont know. If so, did they win? Example 3 - OEMs could always do anything they wanted. Of course if wanted to make money, they needed to sell their products with Windows. OEM = Schoolgirl. Example 4 - Intel can and will do whatever is interest of their stockholders. They could have worked with Java if they wanted to. Of course, it would have been a waste of time, but that's another argument. Oh, crap, I'm tired of this whole debate. If you respond, im not even going to read it. It's so irrelevant at this point. As a matter of fact, just disregard this whole post, I'll disregard yours, and I retract my first one. Just let this whole thing be over at 4:30est. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE!!!!

Im still waiting for them all to appologize to Microsoft for being such poor competitors, admit that they suck and had no business running businesses and go home to their mamas. Then the judge should just drop the suit, and make Sun, Oracle, and the FSF pay Microsoft's legal fees. That is the only fair outcome. Of course, instead we'll probably hear some stuff about how Microsoft was unfair because they were smarter, faster, and more coordinated than their competitors summarized by saying they bullied everyone and stole their firstborn children.:laugh: Good luck Microsoft!!! I wasn't harmed, and I ONLY buy Microsoft as a result of the lawsuits brought. Of course I also own stock, a $200 OS is covered by a .01% increase in your stock, so really all the software I buy from you is free, as I get it back and them some from the profits from my investment accounts. Keep growing that business!!!!;) Cheers

Good post! Got to respect that! I will say that having used and DBA'ed Informix for several years - I know where you are coming from. I am still very irritated that I have to hint everything in Oracle to get simple stuff to run effectively, and a recent conversion to 9i left a very bad taste in my mouth. It was buggy to the core, and oh the patches...the performance is not very good either - not for the price and the admin overhead. One thing I love about SQL Server is it's optimizer works very well - wont make up for bad sql - but queries that are written properly perform extremely well. Same scenario on Oracle gets sent to the DBAs to figure out why it runs in 15 minutes. After tuning, the DBAs can get queries down to 5-10 secs. There should not be such a wide discrepancy between performance - most of the time all they do is hinting. Informix did optimization very well, SQL Server does it, why can't oracle? This is where the DBA/Consultant friendly comment comes from, and actually it's a quote I took from one of my DBAs who is a consultant. No offense intended by my post, but Oracle really does need to can that 'Unbreakable' marketing pitch - it's a joke. Cheers;)

It's also know as the consultant's and DBA's database of choice. They love it!!! Why? Because it requires constant attention and tuning. Compared to SQL Server 2000, which is more self tuning and self maintaining, every detail must be dealt with in Oracle. The Java tools are slow, the java installers are absolutely terrible, and for the price, you would expect 10x what you actually get. But that initial cost of the licencse is just a fraction of what it actually costs to run. Performance can easily be matched by SQL Server, in many cases exceeded. It's all about the hardware and disk arrays. If you do an SQL server on fibre channel 64bit PCI busses and intelligentlly spread indexes, logs, data across multiple arrays, there is nothing Oracle can do that SQL Server cant. My background is Sun Oracle, but I would not put in any new oracle sun - it's not worth it. The cost/perfomance of Intel/SQLserver2000 is amazing. The only reason you don't see it in more large installs, is becuase the consultants that traditionally make their money in that space will lose their jobs. Would you recommend it if you made your bread and butter with Sun/Oracle. It is rare that tech decisions are made on good business cases or technical merits - it more about what joe blow is good at. Ive even see architechs lie to get what they want. Cheers

Yeah - they set it up to make sure all the complaints that came out of the original round of petshop tests were addressed, used identical hardware across the board, etc. The pricing stuff is pretty telling - even if they had stuck with Linux, would have been much more expensive (the OS cost is so inconsequential if you are doing anything serious - ie outside your basement - anyway). It's going to be hard to argue that all the freeware stuff would perform much better than the commerical app servers they used, and one of them couldn't even finish the test. This looks like an apples to apples test - finally. I wonder how much better the .Net perf would be with Stored Procs - they took them out for this. My guess is perhaps another 10-15%. My rough calcs put a 8 way 1.5 machine about equiv to a 16 way sparc, which would have to be at least a 32 way to come close to the 8 way W2K/Net solution, although the scale lines look surprisingly weak when adding processors on the J2EE stuff. Maybe they do better on Sparc architecture (I would hope so for the $$$ premium). Interesting stuff.:cool:

Interesting article over at http://www.middleware-company.com/j2eedotnetbench/. Basically .Net makes J2EE look like a toy on all levels. It will be interesting to hear the commentary over the next few weeks. The results on .Net are very impressive and reflect what I have been seeing in some production deployments. BTW, Middleware is a Java consultancy.

No kidding. Oracle is loved by DBA's as it keeps them employed! As far as a database, it's fairly poor. We are ready to dump oracle for good and move to SQLServer for all backend apps.

No, mate. You'd be the only one.