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I agree with Nish there. Right from childhood, if girls are trained to be physically strong [and if they don't have the social pressure to maintain soft muscles just as a mark of feminity], they'd be physically as good as men too. In fact, in Indian villages, women do a lot of physical labor which make them very strong and healthy - women who carry water containers for kilometres, those who work in quarries carrying rocks, those who work in construction sites carrying 20 bricks or so on their head at a time. I am sure not many city men would be able to combat with them if they'd try. - Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach
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VuNic wrote:
I dont tell this with a discriminatory sense, but I feel they dont need this physical strain and that too when we have enough men in the armed forces. and moreover I take a typical Indian women as an example.
I understood your point of view. But there'd be quite a few women out there, who'd disagree :-) But in general, the armed forces have been a male dominated area. Regards, Nish
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Heck, no! Israel has a lot of Muslim Arabs living in it, though I don't know if they are citizens. In fact, if the current trend continues, in a few decades, Jews will be a minority in Israel.
Yeah, but do they have Christians there? Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Israel is a democracy - I don't see why Christians shouldn't live there. The CIA factbook[^] says 1.7% of Israelis are 'Arab Christians', though I don't think Judah looks like an Arab. Cheers, Vikram.
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:-D Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach
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Israel is a democracy - I don't see why Christians shouldn't live there. The CIA factbook[^] says 1.7% of Israelis are 'Arab Christians', though I don't think Judah looks like an Arab. Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Israel is a democracy - I don't see why Christians shouldn't live there.
I wasn't saying they shouldn't. My question was of a demographic nature.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The CIA factbook[^] says 1.7% of Israelis are 'Arab Christians', though I don't think Judah looks like an Arab.
Hmmm, okay. Maybe he is a born-again-Christian. Anyway, let's stop Sherlocking about this and wait for his reply :-) Regards, Nish
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smitha is very good at *shooting* points. I guess you never had won a conversation with her, if at you had one. :-D
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VuNic wrote:
smitha is very good at *shooting* points. I guess you never had won a conversation with her, if at you had one.
Uhm, we've had 1000s of conversations. We studied together in college, then worked together, and now live together. I guess you meant "arguments". :-) Regards, Nish
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Most israelis ive known fall into 2 categories. 1) Do their time, and only their time, then get the hell out. It used to be the case that they had to do 1mnth per year as well as the 3 years at age 18 - this was viewed the same way... necessary evil 2) Leave the country/apply for exemption due to not wanting to be in the army at all. I have known exactly zero career IDF soldiers - but there must be some otherwise there would be no upper ranks.
There's another CPian here, Isaac...can't remember his last name, who just got out of the IDF. He said while he was burnt out at the end, it changed him in a positive way. Maybe he can fill you in more if he reads this.
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Do many stay on and make a career out of the military? I am just wondering how "popular" the IDF is. If it is seen as an honourable route to take in life or whether it is looked down on as a neccesary evil. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Generally speaking, I think there's honor serving your country. Of course, it's not for everyone, so there are your bad apples that hate it, I'm sure. I don't know how the what percentage stays and makes a career out of it. I'd venture a guess it's not very high; it is a very dangerous, stressful profession. Especially in Israel. There's also been some unrest among the populace in Israel regarding the IDF; with the recent eviction of 9000 Jews from their homes in Gush Katif, the IDF was called in to enforce this government edict in order to transfer the land over as part of yet another land-for-peace deal with the opposition. Shortly after, there was a small group that called for a split from the government; the IDF had to step in and scatter the protest before it escalated, putting more ill feelings among the population towards the IDF and the government. Things are getting interesting in Israel, that's for sure.
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There's another CPian here, Isaac...can't remember his last name, who just got out of the IDF. He said while he was burnt out at the end, it changed him in a positive way. Maybe he can fill you in more if he reads this.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Isaac...can't remember his last name,
Sasson Regards, Nish
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Judah Himango wrote:
Isaac...can't remember his last name,
Sasson Regards, Nish
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Thanks, that's him.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Thanks, that's him.
Did you see the sub-thread by Vikram and me trying to judge your origins :-) Regards, Nish
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Judah Himango wrote:
We've been invaded
I thought you were American. :~ Cheers, Vikram.
I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
I live in the United States, currently. I say "we" because Israel is the only homeland for Jewish people everywhere. It has been our only real home going back some 4000 years. I would like to live there someday if I could secure a job. Ultimately, I will live there at some point. That's why you see so much contention about giving land away. The land we have is tiny; Arabs have 23 countries surrounding us in which they can live, we only have 1 country, and its a spec on the map compared to the surrounding nations. This gets at the real reason behind the conflict between Israelis and so-called Palestinians. People say Palestinians want land, that's true, but what they really want is us to not live here. The ruling Palestinian party, Hamas, makes it no secret they call for Jews to be wiped off the map. They don't even recognize our right to exist. People need to know this because we keep getting pressured by western governments to give up land--what a ludicrous proposition! As if giving up yet another piece of land will actually bring peace... </rant>
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Israel is a democracy - I don't see why Christians shouldn't live there.
I wasn't saying they shouldn't. My question was of a demographic nature.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The CIA factbook[^] says 1.7% of Israelis are 'Arab Christians', though I don't think Judah looks like an Arab.
Hmmm, okay. Maybe he is a born-again-Christian. Anyway, let's stop Sherlocking about this and wait for his reply :-) Regards, Nish
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I wasn't saying they shouldn't.
Never accused of that. :) Simply made an observation. Cheers, Vikram.
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andy brummer wrote:
Try telling that to a few of the women in my Kung Fu school. Some are tougher and better fighters then most of the men, (and not just because they do more groin kicks). Personally, as long as women can meet the same standards as men they should be allowed to do the same job.
There are extrodinaries in every field. but when you take up things physically, women cannot stand up to the competion. they may be a good groin-kickers, but can you cannot say they'll beat all guys around. and who's your master ? is he a Guy or a Lady? and why we don't find a woman version of bruce lee or chuck?
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Don't get me wrong, women are generally smaller then men and they don't have the testosterone contributing to building muscle mass, but muscle mass and size are only two factors to strength let alone something as complicated as combat.
VuNic wrote:
you cannot say they'll beat all guys around
A woman won my division in the last sparring tournament I was in. She has a powerful lightning fast side kick that she can plant anywhere on your body before you even realize she made a move.
VuNic wrote:
who's your master
The school is run by a married couple and they are both masters.
VuNic wrote:
why we don't find a woman version of bruce lee or chuck?
There is Cynthia Rothrock[^]:laugh: (Definitely more Chuck then Bruce)
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I thought you were American.
I believe Judah lives in the US, but was originally from Israel. Only confusing aspect is that he's a Christian and I always thought Israel had 100% Jews! Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Hey, being Jewish has nothing to do with believing in Jesus as the Messiah, my friend. "Jewish" just means you've descended from Jabob (who was the son of Isaac, who was the son of Abraham. Maybe those names might sound familiar...) Being Jewish is like being Arab or Indian, it speaks of your lineage, not your beliefs. It sounds like you're confusing Jews with Judaism, which is practiced almost exclusively by Jews. You're probably thinking Israel contains only those who believe in the religion of Judaism. It's true, most religious folks in Israel practice Judaism. (as a sidenote, a majority of the Israeli populace is secular!) But you see, Jesus did not come to start a new religion: did you know that Jesus was Jewish? Did you also know that all 12 apostles were Jewish? Did you know that almost all the initial followers of Jesus were Jewish? Did you know that Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament, was Jewish? The idea of a Messiah, an "annointed one", is not a foreign thing to Judaism. Do you know that modern Jews are still looking for the Messiah today? It's sad most Jews missed the real Messiah, who has brought billions of people in the world to worshipping the God of Israel. No other man has done that; to me, it only confirms he is the Messiah of Judaism. See my recent blog post[^] for more info.
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I live in the United States, currently. I say "we" because Israel is the only homeland for Jewish people everywhere. It has been our only real home going back some 4000 years. I would like to live there someday if I could secure a job. Ultimately, I will live there at some point. That's why you see so much contention about giving land away. The land we have is tiny; Arabs have 23 countries surrounding us in which they can live, we only have 1 country, and its a spec on the map compared to the surrounding nations. This gets at the real reason behind the conflict between Israelis and so-called Palestinians. People say Palestinians want land, that's true, but what they really want is us to not live here. The ruling Palestinian party, Hamas, makes it no secret they call for Jews to be wiped off the map. They don't even recognize our right to exist. People need to know this because we keep getting pressured by western governments to give up land--what a ludicrous proposition! As if giving up yet another piece of land will actually bring peace... </rant>
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I understand your feelings, Judah. My country is pretty much in the same situation. I'm sure the parallels are obvious, though I have no desire to continue this here and I'm fed up with the SB. :rose: Cheers, Vikram.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I always thought Israel had 100% Jews!
Heck, no! Israel has a lot of Muslim Arabs living in it, though I don't know if they are citizens. In fact, if the current trend continues, in a few decades, Jews will be a minority in Israel. Cheers, Vikram.
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You're right, the birth rate of Arabic mothers in Israel is outpacing that of Israeli mothers. Some believe that is why most Israeli politicians actually want a Palestinian state: so that Israel remains Jewish.
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Hey, being Jewish has nothing to do with believing in Jesus as the Messiah, my friend. "Jewish" just means you've descended from Jabob (who was the son of Isaac, who was the son of Abraham. Maybe those names might sound familiar...) Being Jewish is like being Arab or Indian, it speaks of your lineage, not your beliefs. It sounds like you're confusing Jews with Judaism, which is practiced almost exclusively by Jews. You're probably thinking Israel contains only those who believe in the religion of Judaism. It's true, most religious folks in Israel practice Judaism. (as a sidenote, a majority of the Israeli populace is secular!) But you see, Jesus did not come to start a new religion: did you know that Jesus was Jewish? Did you also know that all 12 apostles were Jewish? Did you know that almost all the initial followers of Jesus were Jewish? Did you know that Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament, was Jewish? The idea of a Messiah, an "annointed one", is not a foreign thing to Judaism. Do you know that modern Jews are still looking for the Messiah today? It's sad most Jews missed the real Messiah, who has brought billions of people in the world to worshipping the God of Israel. No other man has done that; to me, it only confirms he is the Messiah of Judaism. See my recent blog post[^] for more info.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Hey, being Jewish has nothing to do with believing in Jesus as the Messiah, my friend. "Jewish" just means you've descended from Jabob (who was the son of Isaac, who was the son of Abraham. Maybe those names might sound familiar...) Being Jewish is like being Arab or Indian, it speaks of your lineage, not your beliefs. It sounds like you're confusing Jews with Judaism, which is practiced almost exclusively by Jews.
Oh okay - I think I mixed up Jews with Judaists. So is it correct to say that are a Jewish Christian then? Regards, Nish
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Nish said that he didn't think there was any discrimination in Israel. Obviously that isn't true. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry!
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Heck, no! Israel has a lot of Muslim Arabs living in it, though I don't know if they are citizens. In fact, if the current trend continues, in a few decades, Jews will be a minority in Israel.
Yeah, but do they have Christians there? Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Some. On a larger, more grassroots scale, there is a movement called Messianic Judaism that is growing around the world and especially in Israel: a body of Jews and non-Jews alike that follow the Law of Moses (like traditional Judaism) but also believe that Jesus is the Messiah. It's really how Jesus started things: he didn't create big churches or proclaim some new religion; instead, he taught in the synagogues, proclaiming to be the one that would bring the whole world into a faith in God. And he has! Where previously God had revealed himself to a single nation called out, God sent this messiah to bring the whole world into the fold; now even non-Jews are talking about God! Jesus is the most influential Jew, the most influential rabbi in the history of the world. But the Jews reject him, why? Paul, a writer of lots of books in the New Testament, puts it this way when he was talking to some non-Jews who believed in Jesus:
Does this mean, then, that God is so fed up with Israel that he'll have nothing more to do with them? Hardly. Remember that I, the one writing these things, am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham out of the tribe of Benjamin. You can't get much more Semitic than that! So we're not talking about repudiation. God has been too long involved with Israel, has too much invested, to simply wash his hands of them. So what happened? Well, when Israel tried to be right with God on her own, pursuing her own self-interest, she didn't succeed. The chosen ones of God were those who let God pursue his interest in them, and as a result received his stamp of legitimacy. The "self-interest Israel" became thick-skinned toward God. Moses and Isaiah both commented on this. The next question is, "Is Israel out of this for good?" And the answer is a clear-cut no. Ironically when they walked out, they left the door open and the outsiders walked in. But the next thing you know, the Jews were starting to wonder if perhaps they had walked out on a good thing. Now, if their leaving triggered this worldwide coming of non-Jewish outsiders to God's kingdom, just imagine the effect of their coming back! What a homecoming! But I don't want to go on about them. It's you, the outsiders, that I'm concerned with now. Because my personal assignment is focused on the so-called outsiders, I make as much of this as I can when I'm among my Israelite kin, the so-called insiders, hoping they'll realize what they're missing and w