Living in Canada
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Stay away from Calgary. They have massive swings in weather. Can go from -20C one day to +12 the next. I don't recommend it. If you like the seasonal weather, etc... then I would suggest Toronto or just outside of Toronto in one of the suburbs so you avoid the hassle of life in the big city but can benefit from being close to it. Furthermore, there is decent skiing north of Toronto as well as abundant nature and lakes, outdoor activities, mountain biking, etc... no more than 2 hours away. You also have the benefit of multiculturalism. I've been living outside of Canada for about 3 years now, so I don't know if there are any new immigration rules, but at one time they were placing immigrants in cities that needed them the most, so I am not sure if you are entirely free to pick and choose where you want to live...I may be wrong, so it is best to check with customs and immigration Canada.
OK, I now got Vancouver, Toronta and Ottawa in my "look for list". The thing that could be a problem is that myfamily life right now is so easy. 10 mins bike to work, living in a villa in a city center (Örebro, Sweden) a lot of activities for my family. The easist thing is to stay at home, but that's right it's too easy! I knew that Canada is not another Sovjet state so I'm sure I can somehow select my own living! I'm just surprised that I will be called immigrant in Canada. We don't call folks from north-america immigrants in Sweden. Immigrants in Sweden are people from Afghanistan or Bosnia, north-americans are settlers. It's a "north-south-east-west-cultural-thing" in sweden.
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Don't worry about it. The main requirement to be bi-lingual is if you want to work in the government, especially the federal government, where you need both languages to progress past a certain level. My experience (as a Brit who worked in Canada for a while) is that you'll do just fine, so long as you don't try to work in Quebec (somebody else also mentioned New Brunswick but I have no knowledge of that state). I worked in Ottawa, the Capital, which has a high proportion of French speakers, but still got along without problems. My experience is that the further West you go, the less French is used. Soccer is huge in Canadian schools, go practically anywhere and your sons will find teams to play in. Winters a very cold (to us Brits) and summers hot. The coasts are more moderate (i.e. lower summer temperatures and higher winter temperatures). Anywhere in land you'll get snow in the Winter. Cross country skiing is popular almost everywhere in Canada, downhill is very popular in Rockies (Calgary was mentioned and that is in easy reach of the Rockies). I know that there is also some slopes in Quebec that the skiers from Ottawa go to a lot. Don't know about the rest of the country. Natural bathing could be awkward. For most Canadians, bathing means lakes (there are a lot of them in Canada), occasionally rivers. These are cold in the mornings or if they are deep. I assume that you mean in summer, because in winter they will be very cold, if not frozen. The Rideau canel in Ottawa becomes a skating rink in the winter. Hope this helps
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Håkan Nilsson wrote:
cold sunny > -10 degrees wintertime.
That limits your choices dramatically. Everything from the Rocky Mountains in the west all the way to the east coast will get well below -10C in Winter. Even Toronto can have long stretches without it getting above -10. Also, if you want sunny winters then ask around because some places (I'm looking at you, Toronto) can be grey and gloomy in Winter. Further North (such as North Bay) get those stunning crystal clear winters but they are crazy cold. In BC the weather is far milder but Vancouver is very rainy for many months. >There must be good natural bathing with warm water > 18 degrees Just move to Australia :-D
cheers, Chris Maunder
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> What's going on in Calgary? oil. No provincial sales tax in Calgary, they even mail checks back because they have surpluses. but expect to spend a lot of $ on housing. for IT in Canada, the city where there is more demand are Toronto, Montreal and Calgary. In my opinion, Quebec City is the most beautiful city, for it's old europe style, but it does not impress european as much as north american for obvious reason. does not meet your first criteria either (french first). And not as hot as rest of Canada. > Except hockey of course! oh -- you really had to bring this up haven't you ?. congrat for the gold medal anyway. -- modified at 9:00 Tuesday 22nd August, 2006
Denevers
You are right, it's quite difficult to impress europeans with north-american architecture. I mostlu like buildings shorter than 30 meters... I've been playing youth hockey (and bandy too if you knew what it is, 11-player on ice with short sticks and a small red ball) and my son has just finished his winter sport career. So it's just an extra plus if there is something more to do in a canadian town than thinking hockey. Thanks, I'm not sure I deserve the gold medal, I don't knew what I've done!
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Canadians out there and the rest of you who knews a lot of Canada, help me! I'm thinking about taking two or three years abroad with my family - wife and three children. Main reasons are: the children will learn proper english and we want to see something more than sweden for a longer time. We have just been traveling in Europe on our vacations, we have never been in the States or Canada, but I think Canada could be just fine. We live in Örebro, Sweden and if you look on the map and follow the latitude you will find yourself in southern Alaska, but we got about 20-30 degrees summertime and minus 5-25 wintertime. Now to the questions: 1) Which town should we head for? Criterias: English as 1:st language, there are soccer teams for my sons to play in (8, 13 years old). Some of us like hot temperatures at summertime and cold sunny > -10 degrees wintertime. We like skiing both downhill and cross country (ok, I like both, rest if the family just downhill :)) There must be good natural bathing with warm water > 18 degrees). We want to travel mostly by bike to school or work. Oh, what a list of demands! :-D 2) Working? How is the market for DBA:s / SQL Server programmers? My wife is occupational therapist, but maybee she could do something different just for fun halftime or so. 3) Get paid? What about the wages for senior developers/DBA:s 4) Administration, papers, permissions, formalia and... and so on. What do we need Anyone? All comments are welcome!
/Håkan Nilsson ------------------------------------------------ - Old fashion C programmer since 1988 - Bachelor in systems analysis 1991 - Systems developer at work with C#, SQL Server... - DBA, database design, SQL, admin ------------------------------------------------
Proper English = United States. From what I have read in numerous locations. US English is closer to 1700 English than british English. Plus our spellings are better. Go to Quebec! The are seperatist, warm, and caring, other than the fact they speak French you'll be fine.
On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage
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Håkan Nilsson wrote:
cold sunny > -10 degrees wintertime.
That limits your choices dramatically. Everything from the Rocky Mountains in the west all the way to the east coast will get well below -10C in Winter. Even Toronto can have long stretches without it getting above -10. Also, if you want sunny winters then ask around because some places (I'm looking at you, Toronto) can be grey and gloomy in Winter. Further North (such as North Bay) get those stunning crystal clear winters but they are crazy cold. In BC the weather is far milder but Vancouver is very rainy for many months. >There must be good natural bathing with warm water > 18 degrees Just move to Australia :-D
cheers, Chris Maunder
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Hmmm, there was a writing error! I mean < -10 and sunny, best is -5 to -20 lots of sun and low humidity. You now understand why I'm not writin those tricky C programs anymore, I'm getting old I thought about that, but my wife turned it down when I mentioned it. I don't know why, maybee she's afraid of sharks or aboriginals or something. I pick it up again!
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OK, I now got Vancouver, Toronta and Ottawa in my "look for list". The thing that could be a problem is that myfamily life right now is so easy. 10 mins bike to work, living in a villa in a city center (Örebro, Sweden) a lot of activities for my family. The easist thing is to stay at home, but that's right it's too easy! I knew that Canada is not another Sovjet state so I'm sure I can somehow select my own living! I'm just surprised that I will be called immigrant in Canada. We don't call folks from north-america immigrants in Sweden. Immigrants in Sweden are people from Afghanistan or Bosnia, north-americans are settlers. It's a "north-south-east-west-cultural-thing" in sweden.
/Håkan Nilsson ------------------------------------------------ - Old fashion C programmer since 1988 - Bachelor in systems analysis 1991 - Systems developer at work with C#, SQL Server... - DBA, database design, SQL, admin ------------------------------------------------
I would suggest either Vancouver or Toronto then. Toronto is nice because it is central, but Vancouver has warmer weather, although it can get rainy. I think the choice ultimately comes down to personal opinion. :)
Håkan Nilsson wrote:
I knew that Canada is not another Sovjet state so I'm sure I can somehow select my own living! I'm just surprised that I will be called immigrant in Canada. We don't call folks from north-america immigrants in Sweden. Immigrants in Sweden are people from Afghanistan or Bosnia, north-americans are settlers. It's a "north-south-east-west-cultural-thing" in sweden.
Immigrant in this case is not an insulting term, it is just the only term used. If you are planning on moving to Canada to obtain citizenship, then you are considered an immigrant. If you are moving there to just work and live I guess you would be called an expatriate or temporary worker or something... It's just a term the government uses.. Also, you are probably okay to choose where you live. I looked into it and it is mostly teachers and doctors that they relocate due to oversupply and underdemand in some regions. Don't think it will be a problem for you.
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Did you wear a Montreal Canadian jersey ? , or worst, a Denver Avalanche one ? :-> While both cities have a 'old city' sector, Quebec is much more developped. But it's all pa matter of taste (I lived in both cities)
Denevers
Denevers wrote:
Did you wear a Montreal Canadian jersey ? , or worst, a Denver Avalanche one ?
Heh. No. I speak French but with an English accent. He asked me if I was originally from English Canada. I said yes. It went all downhill from there. Just one bad apple in the bunch.... I did live in Montreal for awhile and fell in love with it. Loved it, loved it, loved it. Would go back in an instant. Great city.
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Proper English = United States. From what I have read in numerous locations. US English is closer to 1700 English than british English. Plus our spellings are better. Go to Quebec! The are seperatist, warm, and caring, other than the fact they speak French you'll be fine.
On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
US English is closer to 1700 English
Thats a pretty wide definition of close. The fact we can communicate in almost exactly the same language means we are pretty far from 17thcentury English. If not it would look like: '... So homeward, in my way buying a hare and taking it home - which arose upon my discourse today with Mr Batten in Westminster-hall - who showed me my mistake, that my hares-foot hath not the joint to it, and assures me he never had his colique since he carried it about him. And it is a strange thing how fancy works, for I no sooner almost handled his foot but my belly begin to loose and to break wind; ' From S Pepys diaries. 1665
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Håkan Nilsson wrote:
cold sunny > -10 degrees wintertime.
That limits your choices dramatically. Everything from the Rocky Mountains in the west all the way to the east coast will get well below -10C in Winter. Even Toronto can have long stretches without it getting above -10. Also, if you want sunny winters then ask around because some places (I'm looking at you, Toronto) can be grey and gloomy in Winter. Further North (such as North Bay) get those stunning crystal clear winters but they are crazy cold. In BC the weather is far milder but Vancouver is very rainy for many months. >There must be good natural bathing with warm water > 18 degrees Just move to Australia :-D
cheers, Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Further North (such as North Bay) get those stunning crystal clear winters but they are crazy cold.
North Bay... X| I lived in Sudbury for 7 years (40 mins from North Bay by car). Worst 7 years of my life. Awful, awful, awful place. No culture, no happiness, no nothing except a big bloody nickel and a giant (suspiciously shaped) smokestack. When the wind blew the "right way" everything stunk of sulphur. Terrible hideous place of no value at all. Winters consistently -20C at the end of December and averaging -25C through January to March (with dips as low as -42C). I don't know how I survived that long in that place. Gah. North Bay is no better, it's even smaller and there's absolutely nothing there except some car dealerships, a few small boat marinas, a basically unoccupied military base and a black bear with a penchant for McDonald's grease bins. Also, the water is full of rotting leaves which stains everything brown with tannins. There was a huge effort to remove them (citing health reasons, specifically carcinogenicity when they are exposed to cloramines) and to clean up the water because it was terribly polluted and acidified from the nickel mine emissions - hence the crystal clearness. In North Bay, they dam Nippissing in the summer which drains the French River of needed water and makes things run stagnant and causes a great bloody algae smell... A terrible, terrible mess that desperately needs attention. In conclusion, don't live in North Bay.
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VAIO Blue wrote:
IMO, the best place in Canada is Vancouver.
Shucks - haven't been there. But everyone says it's the most beautiful city in Canada.
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Canadians out there and the rest of you who knews a lot of Canada, help me! I'm thinking about taking two or three years abroad with my family - wife and three children. Main reasons are: the children will learn proper english and we want to see something more than sweden for a longer time. We have just been traveling in Europe on our vacations, we have never been in the States or Canada, but I think Canada could be just fine. We live in Örebro, Sweden and if you look on the map and follow the latitude you will find yourself in southern Alaska, but we got about 20-30 degrees summertime and minus 5-25 wintertime. Now to the questions: 1) Which town should we head for? Criterias: English as 1:st language, there are soccer teams for my sons to play in (8, 13 years old). Some of us like hot temperatures at summertime and cold sunny > -10 degrees wintertime. We like skiing both downhill and cross country (ok, I like both, rest if the family just downhill :)) There must be good natural bathing with warm water > 18 degrees). We want to travel mostly by bike to school or work. Oh, what a list of demands! :-D 2) Working? How is the market for DBA:s / SQL Server programmers? My wife is occupational therapist, but maybee she could do something different just for fun halftime or so. 3) Get paid? What about the wages for senior developers/DBA:s 4) Administration, papers, permissions, formalia and... and so on. What do we need Anyone? All comments are welcome!
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Hi Håkan, 1) Based on your criteria I would consider either Vancouver or Ottawa. Ottawa can get cold in the winter (below -10C would be normal in January and February), but on the other hand if you like the outdoors there are lots of winter sports. Vancouver is rainy all winter (like never see the sun for four months), but comparitively warm. In the summer both are great. Vancouver has the ocean and mountains and warm weather, Ottawa has hot weather and lakes and rivers and hills. Ottawa is fairly close to Montreal and Toronto, and a reasonable drive away from interesting American cities like Boston and New York. Vancouver is close to Seattle. Vancouver is a big city, so you might drive a lot, depending on where you live. Ottawa is a smaller city (< 1M), so it is easy to bike to work or downtown or into the countryside. Vancouver housing is very expensive (by Canadian standards), Ottawa's is reasonable. 2) Both Vancouver and Ottawa have good high tech communities. Ottawa's is large due to the telecom and government sectors. Healthcare workers are in demand in Canada, but as someone else noted you need to be careful the professional qualifications will be portable. My impression is that European degrees are recognized, but the specifics vary from province to province, since health care is a provincial responsibility. 3) Wages vary a lot depending on industry and specific company. A senior developer could be anywhere from C$80k to C$120k. I think the salary for an occupational therapist would be around the $50k range. 4) I'm not sure about the immigration paperwork, being a native myself. Canada gives preference to skilled workers. Have a look at this government web site for lots of good info: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/index.html I hope this helps. Good luck! Regards, Doug
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Canadians out there and the rest of you who knews a lot of Canada, help me! I'm thinking about taking two or three years abroad with my family - wife and three children. Main reasons are: the children will learn proper english and we want to see something more than sweden for a longer time. We have just been traveling in Europe on our vacations, we have never been in the States or Canada, but I think Canada could be just fine. We live in Örebro, Sweden and if you look on the map and follow the latitude you will find yourself in southern Alaska, but we got about 20-30 degrees summertime and minus 5-25 wintertime. Now to the questions: 1) Which town should we head for? Criterias: English as 1:st language, there are soccer teams for my sons to play in (8, 13 years old). Some of us like hot temperatures at summertime and cold sunny > -10 degrees wintertime. We like skiing both downhill and cross country (ok, I like both, rest if the family just downhill :)) There must be good natural bathing with warm water > 18 degrees). We want to travel mostly by bike to school or work. Oh, what a list of demands! :-D 2) Working? How is the market for DBA:s / SQL Server programmers? My wife is occupational therapist, but maybee she could do something different just for fun halftime or so. 3) Get paid? What about the wages for senior developers/DBA:s 4) Administration, papers, permissions, formalia and... and so on. What do we need Anyone? All comments are welcome!
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Sounds like you are describing Vancouver. In the winter you can go up to the mountains for skiing etc. Your sons can play soccer, there is plenty of work. However it is a big city so if that's not what you're after you might not want to live there. Lot's of people go to Toronto, I lived there for a while, it sucks unless all you want is a big city. The people are hugely self obsessed, the weather isn't pleasant and any possibility of going to unspoiled nature just doesn't exist within any reasonable distance. You might as well live in any city if you pick Toronto. I've always heard good things about the eastern coast of Canada, it's should also meet your criteria. It's not as affluent an economy as western Canada, but the nature is supposed to be nice, no big mountains of course, at least not by what we could call them out west here. Honestly you have no hope unless you travel here first and go to the major areas of interest. In general most europeans that are into nature seem to end up in the far north of Canada, I know a *lot* of people living in North Eastern B.C. from Europe who enjoy the outdoors, hunting, fishing that kind of thing and still work as computer network techs etc becasue of the oil and gas industry there where there is a lot of work for all sorts of professions.
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Håkan Nilsson wrote:
cold sunny > -10 degrees wintertime.
That limits your choices dramatically. Everything from the Rocky Mountains in the west all the way to the east coast will get well below -10C in Winter. Even Toronto can have long stretches without it getting above -10. Also, if you want sunny winters then ask around because some places (I'm looking at you, Toronto) can be grey and gloomy in Winter. Further North (such as North Bay) get those stunning crystal clear winters but they are crazy cold. In BC the weather is far milder but Vancouver is very rainy for many months. >There must be good natural bathing with warm water > 18 degrees Just move to Australia :-D
cheers, Chris Maunder
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You seriously need to spend some time out in B.C. you're giving descriptions based on Ontario half truths and rumours. ;P I lived for years in B.C. in places where it rarely went above -20c all winter and other places where it was sunny almost all winter and of course places where it rained a lot all winter. B.C. has areas that represent every single one of the world's major climactic zones. There is no sweeping generalization that can be made about it. You can live in a desert with cacti in the north or the south, a tropical rainforest, tundra, whatever you want.
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You seriously need to spend some time out in B.C. you're giving descriptions based on Ontario half truths and rumours. ;P I lived for years in B.C. in places where it rarely went above -20c all winter and other places where it was sunny almost all winter and of course places where it rained a lot all winter. B.C. has areas that represent every single one of the world's major climactic zones. There is no sweeping generalization that can be made about it. You can live in a desert with cacti in the north or the south, a tropical rainforest, tundra, whatever you want.
OK, so when I say "BC" I mean "the area around Victoria, Vancouver and Whistler". You're correct in that I really should be more specific about the nature of my sweeping, narrow sighted generalisations :D (PS. I just read that some refer to BC as "Before Common sense". I reckon there's a story in there somewhere :D )
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Further North (such as North Bay) get those stunning crystal clear winters but they are crazy cold.
North Bay... X| I lived in Sudbury for 7 years (40 mins from North Bay by car). Worst 7 years of my life. Awful, awful, awful place. No culture, no happiness, no nothing except a big bloody nickel and a giant (suspiciously shaped) smokestack. When the wind blew the "right way" everything stunk of sulphur. Terrible hideous place of no value at all. Winters consistently -20C at the end of December and averaging -25C through January to March (with dips as low as -42C). I don't know how I survived that long in that place. Gah. North Bay is no better, it's even smaller and there's absolutely nothing there except some car dealerships, a few small boat marinas, a basically unoccupied military base and a black bear with a penchant for McDonald's grease bins. Also, the water is full of rotting leaves which stains everything brown with tannins. There was a huge effort to remove them (citing health reasons, specifically carcinogenicity when they are exposed to cloramines) and to clean up the water because it was terribly polluted and acidified from the nickel mine emissions - hence the crystal clearness. In North Bay, they dam Nippissing in the summer which drains the French River of needed water and makes things run stagnant and causes a great bloody algae smell... A terrible, terrible mess that desperately needs attention. In conclusion, don't live in North Bay.
David Cunningham grew up in North Bay. You've given me so much material to work with it's almost unfair :D
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Proper English = United States. From what I have read in numerous locations. US English is closer to 1700 English than british English. Plus our spellings are better. Go to Quebec! The are seperatist, warm, and caring, other than the fact they speak French you'll be fine.
On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Plus our spellings are better
Must...not...take...bait..
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Vancouver is not just beautiful, it is spectacular!
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Vancouver is not just beautiful, it is spectacular!
Damn, I gotta visit then!
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OK, so when I say "BC" I mean "the area around Victoria, Vancouver and Whistler". You're correct in that I really should be more specific about the nature of my sweeping, narrow sighted generalisations :D (PS. I just read that some refer to BC as "Before Common sense". I reckon there's a story in there somewhere :D )
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Ahh then in local vernacular you want to say "The lower mainland and victoria".
Chris Maunder wrote:
PS. I just read that some refer to BC as "Before Common sense". I reckon there's a story in there somewhere
The typical Ontarians picture of a B.C. person is that they are high on pot sitting in a hot tub swilling lattes and red wine while meditating. :) Of course I don't know anybody that would do anything remotely like that. ;) I once worked for a guy while I was temping in Ottawa who had visited B.C. and was truly and utterly shocked that bank tellers were wearing blue jeans. It was probably casual friday at the bank but I had fun spreading more misinformation about B.C. The truth is that the people are very different wherever you go here, some are all industrious and business like, people in the oil and gas area in north eastern b.c. are maniacs that work until they drop dead and there are a *lot* of millionares up there wearing ripped up jeans and you would never know it to look at them. People on Vancouver island on average are pretty much the prototypical bc'er from an Ontarians perspective. Laid back, happy to make enough to live and no more, sybaritic. Many people here are just happy to make enough to go mountain biking in the summer and snowboarding in the winter. Slackers really, even the middle aged.
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David Cunningham grew up in North Bay. You've given me so much material to work with it's almost unfair :D
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Chris Maunder wrote:
David Cunningham grew up in North Bay.
:-D Poor bugger.
Chris Maunder wrote:
You've given me so much material to work with it's almost unfair
You can compensate me later. ;)