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  • K Kyudos

    John, I assume you've looked at this NTGraph[^] and it insn't up to the job? I used it because it was very lightweight - the previous (commercial) charting tool we used came with (dependent) distributables that were about 3 times the size of our app...

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    Yeah, I saw it - not sufficient. I want anti-aliased lines without having to turn myself inside out (or having to require an external library like OpenGL).

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      Wrong, bucko. It's royalty-free when you include the DLL with a desktop app.

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      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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      Their Licensing Faq[^] seems to indicate otherwise. /ravi

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        I'm fully aware of what's possible. I'm not interested in burdening my application under the weight of .NET. Observing the fact that I am willing to PAY for a library to avoid .NET should give you a bit more perspective on my views. Native code rules - managed code drools...

        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

        . I'm not interested in burdening my application under the weight of .NET.

        Have you really studied whether it is really a burden? IMHO: If you get a library use it, otherwise the .Net alternative is not a bad one.


        Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. -Brian Kernighan

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          John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

          . I'm not interested in burdening my application under the weight of .NET.

          Have you really studied whether it is really a burden? IMHO: If you get a library use it, otherwise the .Net alternative is not a bad one.


          Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. -Brian Kernighan

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          Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

          Have you really studied whether it is really a burden?

          What part of "25mb runtime" doesn't scream "burden" at you? This thread is not intended to be a contest to see who can say the most good/bad things about .NET. I stated my requirement for a library written in un-managed code, intended for use in an MFC application. Nowhere in that requirement did I even HINT that a .NET library was an acceptable solution. Why are you people so hell-bent on trying to coerce me into using crap I don't want to use? Now that we have the pleasantries out of the freakin' way, can we get back to the issue at hand?

          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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          "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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            Their Licensing Faq[^] seems to indicate otherwise. /ravi

            My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Music | Articles | Freeware | Trips ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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            Interesting. Looked at that way, TeeChart ($379 per dev for the ActiveX version, but no royalties) is actually cheaper unless you need two or more development licences. It sure looks pretty though.

            Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

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              Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

              Have you really studied whether it is really a burden?

              What part of "25mb runtime" doesn't scream "burden" at you? This thread is not intended to be a contest to see who can say the most good/bad things about .NET. I stated my requirement for a library written in un-managed code, intended for use in an MFC application. Nowhere in that requirement did I even HINT that a .NET library was an acceptable solution. Why are you people so hell-bent on trying to coerce me into using crap I don't want to use? Now that we have the pleasantries out of the freakin' way, can we get back to the issue at hand?

              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

              Why are you people so hell-bent of trying to coerce me into using crap I don't want to use?

              Misery loves company? A successful .NET implementation somehow validates their choice to jump on the .NET bandwagon?

              "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

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                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                Why are you people so hell-bent of trying to coerce me into using crap I don't want to use?

                Misery loves company? A successful .NET implementation somehow validates their choice to jump on the .NET bandwagon?

                "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

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                LOL! :laugh:

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                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                  By the way, I downloaded and compiled the C++ demo code. The first thing that impressed me about the library is that it compiled clean (not even a single warning) under VS2005. The second thing that impressed me was that the charts are all flawless. Lastly, the sheer NUMBER of available charts is simply astounding. All that for just $99 (per language). And in case anyone is curious, I don't know if it comes with source code, and frankly I don't care. If it is easily implemented and the support is there, who needs the source? I just want to make graphs. (Oh yeah, the redistribution license is royalty free for the DLL.) Now, does anyone have any experience with this library? I'm on the verge of buying it.

                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                  By the way, I downloaded and compiled the C++ demo code. The first thing that impressed me about the library is that it compiled clean (not even a single warning) under VS2005. The second thing that impressed me was that the charts are all flawless. Lastly, the sheer NUMBER of available charts is simply astounding. All that for just $99 (per language).

                  I downloaded and gave it a test run too. Looks really good. Compiles without warnings on both VC 6 and VC 2005 - which is an excellent achievement. And yeah, the graphs look good too - though till you start using it, it won't be fully obvious how easy it's to implement.

                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                  Now, does anyone have any experience with this library? I'm on the verge of buying it.

                  You may well be the first CPian to buy it :-)

                  Regards, Nish


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                    Yeah, I saw it - not sufficient. I want anti-aliased lines without having to turn myself inside out (or having to require an external library like OpenGL).

                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                    OpenGL is not a lib, so you don't have to install it. DirectX on the other hand...

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                    • K Kyudos

                      Wout, That's what I thought. I didn't have to do anything extra to get it to work. But I guess it depends on where you intend to deploy...

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                      At least someone got the point :rolleyes:

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                      • W wout de zeeuw

                        OpenGL is not a lib, so you don't have to install it. DirectX on the other hand...

                        Wout

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                        Both require that the end-user have one or the other installed. Frequently being an end-user myself, I hate to be told I have to install this or that in order to use an app I just downloaded. Why doesn't the download include everything I need? Get my drift? I treat end-users like they're all just like me - lazy.

                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                          Okay, I've given up trying to find a free one for un-managed code, so I started looking around for an inexpensive one, and found this: ChartDirector[^] It's only $99, and is directly supported in an un-managed coding environment (MFC and C++). The graphs on their demo pages look great, and it appears as if it does everything you'd want in a charting library, even including cross-platform compatibility. Has anyone heard of these guys or used their stuff before? (They also have .NET, PHP, ASP, PERL, Python, and JSP/Java versions.) I fired off an email asking some questions about their licensing, and I'll be happy to share their responses if anyone is interested.

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                          It is $99 for a developer license + $499 for a redist license. We are talking $598.

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                            It is $99 for a developer license + $499 for a redist license. We are talking $598.

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                            The jury is still out on that. I think that's based on a web distribution, not on desktop apps. Like I said earlier, I sent emails, and I'm waiting on a response. The downside is that these people are in hong kong, and they're 13 hours BEHIND on time, so I won't have an answer until tomorrow.

                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                              The jury is still out on that. I think that's based on a web distribution, not on desktop apps. Like I said earlier, I sent emails, and I'm waiting on a response. The downside is that these people are in hong kong, and they're 13 hours BEHIND on time, so I won't have an answer until tomorrow.

                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                              The downside is that these people are in hong kong, and they're 13 hours BEHIND on time, so I won't have an answer until tomorrow.

                              I like to think I understand (and when I don't try and work it out) the various time zones around. If I do understand it correctly, since your in Texas your on Central Time (GMT -6) though for the next couple of weeks it's Central Daylight Time (GMT -5). Hong Kong in (GMT +8), so they are in fact 13 hours ahead or 11 hours behind depending on your view point. Though either way the answer won't arrive until tommorow. Am I even close? Next unrelated wuestion is Mountain Time. Where the hell is that? If I'm not mistaken the following are correct though far from complete - Eastern Time (GMT -5) - Massachussets, New York and the rest of the East Coast. Central Time (GMT -6) - Texas, Illonois and other places. Mountain Time (GMT -7) - ??? Pacific Time (GMT -8) California and the rest of the West Coast. Arizona Time (GMT -?) Different cause they don't have Daylight Savings.

                              Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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                                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                The downside is that these people are in hong kong, and they're 13 hours BEHIND on time, so I won't have an answer until tomorrow.

                                I like to think I understand (and when I don't try and work it out) the various time zones around. If I do understand it correctly, since your in Texas your on Central Time (GMT -6) though for the next couple of weeks it's Central Daylight Time (GMT -5). Hong Kong in (GMT +8), so they are in fact 13 hours ahead or 11 hours behind depending on your view point. Though either way the answer won't arrive until tommorow. Am I even close? Next unrelated wuestion is Mountain Time. Where the hell is that? If I'm not mistaken the following are correct though far from complete - Eastern Time (GMT -5) - Massachussets, New York and the rest of the East Coast. Central Time (GMT -6) - Texas, Illonois and other places. Mountain Time (GMT -7) - ??? Pacific Time (GMT -8) California and the rest of the West Coast. Arizona Time (GMT -?) Different cause they don't have Daylight Savings.

                                Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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                                Po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe - so they'll get my emails yesterday instead of tomorrow... :)

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                                  John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                  The downside is that these people are in hong kong, and they're 13 hours BEHIND on time, so I won't have an answer until tomorrow.

                                  I like to think I understand (and when I don't try and work it out) the various time zones around. If I do understand it correctly, since your in Texas your on Central Time (GMT -6) though for the next couple of weeks it's Central Daylight Time (GMT -5). Hong Kong in (GMT +8), so they are in fact 13 hours ahead or 11 hours behind depending on your view point. Though either way the answer won't arrive until tommorow. Am I even close? Next unrelated wuestion is Mountain Time. Where the hell is that? If I'm not mistaken the following are correct though far from complete - Eastern Time (GMT -5) - Massachussets, New York and the rest of the East Coast. Central Time (GMT -6) - Texas, Illonois and other places. Mountain Time (GMT -7) - ??? Pacific Time (GMT -8) California and the rest of the West Coast. Arizona Time (GMT -?) Different cause they don't have Daylight Savings.

                                  Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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                                  Mountain Time includes all of New Nexico, Colorado, Utah, and Montana, and parts of Idaho and Arizona (and I think parts of a few other states east of Montana).

                                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                    Mountain Time includes all of New Nexico, Colorado, Utah, and Montana, and parts of Idaho and Arizona (and I think parts of a few other states east of Montana).

                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                    Thanks for the info.

                                    Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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                                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                      The downside is that these people are in hong kong, and they're 13 hours BEHIND on time, so I won't have an answer until tomorrow.

                                      I like to think I understand (and when I don't try and work it out) the various time zones around. If I do understand it correctly, since your in Texas your on Central Time (GMT -6) though for the next couple of weeks it's Central Daylight Time (GMT -5). Hong Kong in (GMT +8), so they are in fact 13 hours ahead or 11 hours behind depending on your view point. Though either way the answer won't arrive until tommorow. Am I even close? Next unrelated wuestion is Mountain Time. Where the hell is that? If I'm not mistaken the following are correct though far from complete - Eastern Time (GMT -5) - Massachussets, New York and the rest of the East Coast. Central Time (GMT -6) - Texas, Illonois and other places. Mountain Time (GMT -7) - ??? Pacific Time (GMT -8) California and the rest of the West Coast. Arizona Time (GMT -?) Different cause they don't have Daylight Savings.

                                      Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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                                      Michael Martin wrote:

                                      Next unrelated wuestion is Mountain Time. Where the hell is that?

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                                        Mountain Time includes all of New Nexico, Colorado, Utah, and Montana, and parts of Idaho and Arizona (and I think parts of a few other states east of Montana).

                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                        It also includes a small part of eastern Oregon that is near Boise, Idaho.

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