So today was my big day
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Then explain to me how my comments, by starting with I mean no offense, are rude, and why my opinion should be in the soap-box while yours, calling me rude and ignorant, are worthy of the lounge.
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1. Your comments express a political opinion about the quality of this country, one which is contentious, and certainly not held by many others. As such, it belongs in the Soapbox. 2. Introducing your remarks with an appology (" I mean no offense") clear shows you knew many might well take offense, but felt your words were too important to remain unsaid. 3. If not rude, at least quite inappropriate. Tantamount to calling Rob M. an idiot for actually choosing to become a citizen. 4. If you don't like things as they are, get out and do something about it. Don't just sit around and whine; doing so just makes you part of the problem, not of the solution.
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JBurkey wrote:
See how that works?
Rubbish. Where was his personal attack on you? He said that he was ashamed of his country and the way that it has treated the rest of the world i.e. it's simply his opinion which he is both entitled to and free to state. Now, if you take it as a personal insult that somebody could possibly think that there is anything bad about your country, that's really your problem. His post simply stated his opinion, with no intent to offend (as opposed to yours).
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And my objections are to the inapropriate place and time for thos comments, not their content. As you say he is entitled to his "the glass is half empty" opinions, but it is not appropriate to express them in response to a post celebrating becomming a citizen of that country. Even if introduced by a disclaimer, his comments are tantamount to telling Rob M. he thinks he's a fool for choosing to do so. At best a wet blanket, at worst an insult.
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I am glad everyone in the US is not like you.
I'm glad everyone in the US isn't like you. In fact I'm glad I have never actually met an American like you.
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Ah, a true expression of the principles of freedom of speech. When ones opinion is not agreeable, don't seek to understand or open the mind, simply curse and dismiss them. BTW, Hell is in Michigan. Been there. ;P
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There is also a Hell in Norway.
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Henize wrote:
You asking the new American why he would want to live here
No, I asked why he chose to become a citizen, not why he wanted to live here. He was already living here.
Henize wrote:
insulting the country
Again, where was the insult? I only said I was ashamed of the way the US treats others in the world. Why is my shame insulting to you?
Henize wrote:
I don't care for you smart ass remarks.
Yes, the King of England didn't care for the remarks of Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, and others, but the Declaration of Independence was signed anyway and you can see where that lead.
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
Yes, the King of England didn't care for the remarks of Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, and others
Just to be pedantic. At that point in history there was no King of England. There has never been a monarch of England since the 1st May, 1707.
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Good point. That is why I was asking. At least your response was informative, and you didn't just tell me to go to Michigan (Hell) :)
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
and you didn't just tell me to go to Michigan (Hell)
Or as they say in Scotland - Get tae Falkirk!
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
I mean no offense, but why would you want, or need, to be a US Citizen?
Makes it easier to travel around the world, specially Europe (no Visa hassles).
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blogNishant Sivakumar wrote:
Makes it easier to travel around the world, specially Europe (no Visa hassles).
As does EU citizenship. I would think that EU citizenship would be easier on travelling than US citizenship. At least we can go to Cuba if we want to.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Makes it easier to travel around the world, specially Europe (no Visa hassles).
As does EU citizenship. I would think that EU citizenship would be easier on travelling than US citizenship. At least we can go to Cuba if we want to.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
At least we can go to Cuba if we want to.
Yeah, those cigars are supposedly very good :-)
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I'm glad everyone in the US isn't like you. In fact I'm glad I have never actually met an American like you.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
In fact I'm glad I have never actually met an American like you.
I'm glad you haven't either. Fortunately, they are few.
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started the day as an alien, finish it as a US Citizen :cool::cool: Now to register to vote, update my record with Social Security and enjoy a celebratory dinner with my wife! :)
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
In fact I'm glad I have never actually met an American like you.
I'm glad you haven't either. Fortunately, they are few.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
ain't no aliens here in Arizona
Well there ain't none *now*! :)
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Rob Manderson wrote:
started the day as an alien, finish it as a US Citizen
What you talking 'bout? There ain't no aliens here in Arizona. :) Congratulations on becoming a citizen. It's wonderful to be part of one of the greatest nations on the planet. It's also nice to know you're planning to vote. Now we can blame you for our elected officials. :)
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started the day as an alien, finish it as a US Citizen :cool::cool: Now to register to vote, update my record with Social Security and enjoy a celebratory dinner with my wife! :)
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Welcome, welcome, welcome.... truly meant from the heart. Welcome to "The Great Expirement"!
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There is also a Hell in Norway.
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I guess Hell really could freeze over there. :-D
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1. Your comments express a political opinion about the quality of this country, one which is contentious, and certainly not held by many others. As such, it belongs in the Soapbox. 2. Introducing your remarks with an appology (" I mean no offense") clear shows you knew many might well take offense, but felt your words were too important to remain unsaid. 3. If not rude, at least quite inappropriate. Tantamount to calling Rob M. an idiot for actually choosing to become a citizen. 4. If you don't like things as they are, get out and do something about it. Don't just sit around and whine; doing so just makes you part of the problem, not of the solution.
Rob Graham wrote:
and certainly not held by many others.
Got something to back this up with? There is a lot of discussion going on now, especially given the events of the past few days, about what the US is doing and where it is headed, which suggests that there *are* a lot of people very concerned (and yes, ashamed) about what's happening.
Rob Graham wrote:
As such, it belongs in the Soapbox
Not at all. He said that there were things he was ashamed of and left it at that. If he had gone into details, then yes it would belong in the Soapbox but he didn't. He was simply providing some context for his question.
Rob Graham wrote:
Introducing your remarks with an appology (" I mean no offense") clear shows you knew many might well take offense
Or he knows that there are a lot of people who are hyper-sensitive when it comes to criticism of any sort :rolleyes:
Rob Graham wrote:
at least quite inappropriate
Possibly, but I think the question was a fair one and reasonably put. It may be hard for some people to understand but not everyone on the planet would give their left testicle to become a US citizen. He was simply asking Rob why he wanted to do so.
Rob Graham wrote:
Tantamount to calling Rob M. an idiot for actually choosing to become a citizen.
Not at all. It's not like he said "You fricking moron! WTF would you want to do such a thing?!" No, it was more along the lines of "given what my country is doing right now, can I ask why you would want to do this."
Rob Graham wrote:
If you don't like things as they are, get out and do something about it.
How do you know he's not?
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1. Your comments express a political opinion about the quality of this country, one which is contentious, and certainly not held by many others. As such, it belongs in the Soapbox. 2. Introducing your remarks with an appology (" I mean no offense") clear shows you knew many might well take offense, but felt your words were too important to remain unsaid. 3. If not rude, at least quite inappropriate. Tantamount to calling Rob M. an idiot for actually choosing to become a citizen. 4. If you don't like things as they are, get out and do something about it. Don't just sit around and whine; doing so just makes you part of the problem, not of the solution.
- No political views were mentioned, only my feeling of shame for this country's behavior. But when people have no valid position of argument against another's views they will call it political. 2) I was seeking to understand anothers viewpoint. 3) Mr. Manderson has not been the one saying he was offended. 4) I wasn't whining, don't know where you saw that. I do something about it by opening my mind and questioning, gaining understanding beforing dismissing different ideas as unworthy. I exercise my right to vote based on my knowledge and understanding. [Soap-box material] Now let me ask you. What have you done for your country? Voting is one thing but are you willing to put your life on the line for it? I have, 11 years and three conflicts. I have a right to express my shame at our actions, and for my part in them.
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
Yes, the King of England didn't care for the remarks of Jefferson, Franklin, Paine, and others
Just to be pedantic. At that point in history there was no King of England. There has never been a monarch of England since the 1st May, 1707.
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Interesting. That is the sort information you don't get from books, only from talking and being open to other ideas. It's interesting that I don't see anyone being offended by your comment that there is no monarchy in England.
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
And where was the insult? I was stating my opinion. Now on the other hand telling someone to "go to hell" can not be interpreted as anything more than an insult to the person it was directed at, not an opinion.
You asking the new American why he would want to live here and insulting the country is an insult dressed up as an opinion, a lousy one too. I don't care for you smart ass remarks.
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Yes, this was the response I was expecting from someone. If you don't agree with us, then get out. To hell with acceptence and tolerance of other views. I think peter chen's reply was on the money.
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Actually, there's a lot of things I'm not wild about in terms of how the country is run, and I suspect we'd agree on many of these issues. Even when we didn't, I would actively defend your right to express your opinions. I may not have understood your post in the spirit you intended. You appeared to respond to a guy who was excited about becoming an American citizen with an attitude of "Why would you want to become a citizen of such a screwed up place?" Maybe that's not what you meant, but I'm sure you can see how it might come across as "this place sucks." If that were true, it wouldn't be unreasonable to ask, "if you think this place sucks, then why are you here?" My point was that if you're ashamed of America, you actually have the freedom to find a country that you wouldn't be ashamed of and pursue a life there. You'll find lots of cool places on the planet. I personally like it here, even if it's not perfect. However, unlike many places in the world, being an American means you're free to leave if you find someplace you like better. In other words, rather than belittling the country you live in, do something about it. Either get active and make it better, or find someplace better and be happy. That being said, your comments probably deserved a more well considered response than a trite one liner. In my defense, I was still working on my first cup of coffee. No disrespect intended, and if you really want to live here instead of someplace else, then I'm happy to have you in the family. I don't always agree with my other relatives, either. :)
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