I Find It Interesting...
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...that my "CP Articles I'm Using" threads garner so many replies (not that I'm complaining) compared to those posted by other CP members. To give you guys a little heads up... 0) I've been programming since 1980 - yes - actually *writing code* for a living for that long. 1) I taught myself Basic, dBase, Pascal and C/C++, SQL, PHP, C#, Javascript, and ASP. 2) Given my years of experience, I see no valid reason for anyone to ridicule my choice of tools/classes - especially people who weren't even born by the time I started doing this stuff - I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing, and I know how to pick the right tool for the job. 3) I do not suffer from the "not invented here" syndrome. If the code already exists, if it's applicable, if it works, and if it fulfills my very specific needs, you can bet I'll try to make use of it. Besides, I'm too lazy to research/write it myself. 4) "New" technology isn't necessarily the best or most appropriate technology. 5) As a rule, if Nish recommends it, I probably won't use it because his recommendation is more than likely based on a deference (translation: "sucking up") to the all-knowing wisdom of Microsoft. That dog just don't hunt. 6) I successfully use VC6 for a lot of projects just to prove that Christian is wrong about the inviability of that version of the compiler. 7) I write native code because I abhor the thought of 25mb runtime libraries, and if I wanted my code "managed" by Microsoft, I would be working there.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001You've got me beat by about 3 years for making money writing code, and I didn't start making a "living" at it until about 10 years after you did, but it seems I've taught my self and worked in a *lot* more languages and platforms than you have which may explain my point of view on .net. Applications I wrote on VC6 made some good money for me and are still in use to this day. Using existing code as you mention in number 3 is perfectly valid. It's almost criminal to *not* use or adapt existing code, at the very least stupid and irresponsible to whoever pays for a developers time. In my case I pay for my own time and I would fire myself if I wasted days looking for ways to re-invent wheels. Most of what you say I agree with but I have embraced .net 100% because from an un-emotional software architect and engineers point of view it's a perfect fit for the type of apps I'm doing. You're number 7 point kinda flies in the face of everything else you were trying to say. If you don't need it and it doesn't fit for what you do, fine, but to say you abhor the thought sounds a little more emotional than experienced or wise doesn't it? ;)
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Sorry, but I disagree on that point. You are old competing with young ppl that have more much time than you and will have in short time more knowledge than you. You should be respectfull and not beleive just because you are over 50 that nobody out there could make you feel ridiculous. Why do ou think you earned the right of beeing arrogant? Just because you are over 50? This show your way of thinking. I'd hate having an employee like you, tipical person that thinks he know everything...
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I don't think I know everything, and never once did I even suggest that I did. What I *did* imply is that I know how to select the appropriate tools for the job. You'd hate to have an employee like me? Your loss I suppose...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
No one's adding Clipper to the list? A wonderful little C based language targeting dBase that you could dynamically generate code with in function parameters, kinda like the anonymous declarations that .NET is now supplying.
What's in a sig? This statement is false. Build a bridge and get over it. ~ Chris Maunder
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Not rich, but I am quite comfortable. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
I heard there's a compiler for that. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001There're several, the problem is that the only good one is embedded into the hardware it runs on and has resisted every attempt to reverse engineer either the software or the underlying platform.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
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siskhoalanka wrote:
You are old competing with young ppl
Luckily for him, he's also competing with people who can't be bothered to type a few extra letters.
That only comes in handy when you're trying to write documentation. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
You'd hate to have an employee like me? Your loss I suppose...
My reasons are quite obvious and I'm not the only one that made this comment. Maybe you should re consider your position?
siskhoalanka wrote:
Maybe you should re consider your position?
You must be new here. Otherwise, you wouldn't have presented such an absurd suggestion.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Under our *expanding* belts. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Under our *expanding* belts.
hey... I am trying unresemble that remark. ;P If I could only reach my cane.... ;P (yes, I know I am younger than you, but obviously older than some here)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I learned Cobol, RPG, PL/1 and IBM 360 assembly language in college, but since I've never done any of that for money, I don't count it.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
PL/1
I always forget about that one.... wrote a robotic arm controller in school, and that was it. :) I translate out of any language they put in front of me. Very handy to have around. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Never kiss a cat on the lips
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Never play cards with someone named after a city...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
I just had to learn RPG, where I'm working the whole sales/inventory system is written in RPG. It crashes everyday at 3pm.
lintybits wrote:
I just had to learn RPG, where I'm working the whole sales/inventory system is written in RPG.
piece of cake... I did the same back in the late 80's. I revamped the whole thing, it was even Y2K compliant in 1989. I even wrote a chess game in RPG, tank volume calculation through Integral math, all kinds of fun things. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Hmmm... don't know why, but it seems that all you want to hear is: "You are the man!!" I think you putted your way of thinking on the table, and the number of posts and answers describes the general opinion. Anyway...
No, I'm the *old* man. And on the contrary, you are part of the decidedly minority viewpoint. I suggest that you go back and read ALL of the posts instead of just yours.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
You've got me beat by about 3 years for making money writing code, and I didn't start making a "living" at it until about 10 years after you did, but it seems I've taught my self and worked in a *lot* more languages and platforms than you have which may explain my point of view on .net. Applications I wrote on VC6 made some good money for me and are still in use to this day. Using existing code as you mention in number 3 is perfectly valid. It's almost criminal to *not* use or adapt existing code, at the very least stupid and irresponsible to whoever pays for a developers time. In my case I pay for my own time and I would fire myself if I wasted days looking for ways to re-invent wheels. Most of what you say I agree with but I have embraced .net 100% because from an un-emotional software architect and engineers point of view it's a perfect fit for the type of apps I'm doing. You're number 7 point kinda flies in the face of everything else you were trying to say. If you don't need it and it doesn't fit for what you do, fine, but to say you abhor the thought sounds a little more emotional than experienced or wise doesn't it? ;)
So an old guy isn't allowed to have some scrap of emotion hanging about? :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
siskhoalanka wrote:
Maybe you should re consider your position?
You must be new here. Otherwise, you wouldn't have presented such an absurd suggestion.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
absurd suggestion
LOL jhaga
It would be glorious to see mankind at leisure for once. It is nothing but work, work, work. I cannot easily buy a blank-book to write thoughts in; they are commonly ruled for dollars and cents. A[man], seeing me making a minute in the fields, took it for granted that I was calculating my wages. — business! - I think that there is nothing, not even crime, more opposed to poetry, to philosophy, ay, to life itself, than this incessant business. Henry David Thoreau
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Yeah but can you program in Plain English? Pfft, thought not! :)
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Techno Silliness
Jim Crafton wrote:
Yeah but can you program in Plain English?
actually.... one of the reasons I am so hard on Ozzy is that I have done Lexical Analysis, I had a Plain english OS called LANA that was a blast. It utilized some of MIT's AI architecture of the 80's, but it ran on an Apple (hey, I was in high school, what do you expect? but at least I bought it myself by working). I have played with AI for ages, which if employed correctly would make a decent command structure. Lana was a lot closer to HAL than the Plain English compiler is. But in the end both are still toys. Mine learned, but learned slowly, I wouldn't mind using some of the newer AI structures of the last decade, and still may. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Under our *expanding* belts.
hey... I am trying unresemble that remark. ;P If I could only reach my cane.... ;P (yes, I know I am younger than you, but obviously older than some here)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
If I could only reach my cane....
I had to order my 3rd new walker last week. I would get a power chair, but I figure it would be pretty hard to coax the wife into hauling it up and down the stairs for me.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
That only comes in handy when you're trying to write documentation. :)
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001It's also useful in maintaining old code.
iNumberOfPartsInTheCaris much easier to figure out thanincpif you haven't looked at the code in a while or someone else was responsible for writing it.-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
If I could only reach my cane....
I had to order my 3rd new walker last week. I would get a power chair, but I figure it would be pretty hard to coax the wife into hauling it up and down the stairs for me.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
See, that's what happens when you come across a polysyllabic word and don't bother to look it up in a dictionary before using it :)
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Techno Silliness