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  • R Raj Lal

    are you also counting the bend as break ?

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    Mircea Grelus
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    I can't believe this. Take 2 sheets of paper and cut them in the shape of a donut. Bend them and cut the C shape top-down as shown in my drawing. Count the pieces. You'll find eight of them. Assuming the rightmost piece (the piece to the right of the dotted line) is NOT cut through the middle - because as I mention it ISN'T - the 2 pieces of paper are actually one. So you have 7 pieces. Or better yet forget it. I'm getting tired of this.

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      Mmmm... beer...

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        Mmmm... beer...

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        Hmmm, sleeeep.


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        • L leppie

          Mircea Grelus wrote:

          Place them on top of each other and make another cut top-down on the C shape to divide each shape into 3.

          Dont understand! :confused: I get 4 pieces, and now I wasted a perfectly good donut! ;P

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          El Corazon
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          leppie wrote:

          I get 4 pieces, and now I wasted a perfectly good donut!

          eat it and then try with a fresh one. Repeat until solution is found. Tell your spouse it is research.... :laugh:

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          • R Raj Lal

            YOU ALREADY GOT IT THERE , ITS MEANT FOR 5 CHILDREN AND YOU , THE WOMAN IS NOT EATING HAVE FUN WITH YOUR PIECE

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            El Corazon
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            Quartz. wrote:

            HAVE FUN WITH YOUR PIECE

            I'll give her mine, she can share a piece with me later. ;P

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            • R Raj Lal

              thats correct

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              leppie
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              Bah! My solution is muuuuuch better! :)

              xacc.ide
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              • E El Corazon

                Quartz. wrote: she want to share it with 5 children and you

                Dinobot_Slag wrote:

                if that's the case then she needs 7 pieces, not 6

                She'll give you a piece later when the children are asleep. Patience.

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                Mike Poz
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                The word Quartz is should have used is either "between" or "among", not "with". "With" implies that she's participation in the sharing. By the way, I need a visual display of the "cut in half (two halves) overlap like an x and cut in the middle (two halves cut in the middle makes four in my mind)" to see how you get six pieces from this. No matter how I do it, it always comes out to be either four pieces or eight pieces. And no, there's no bending because donuts worth dividing up aren't flexible like that. Trust me, I've eaten enough of them in my life time to be sure of this.

                Mike Poz

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                • R Raj Lal

                  A women has a donut, and TWO "use and throw" knives. she want to share it with 5 children and you, only if you can help her do that? [added] the women is sharing between her children and you , she is not eating [/added] -- modified at 19:22 Thursday 25th October, 2007

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                  Raj Lal
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                  Here is the solution [^] 1. Cut the donut into two piece vertically 2. Put one above the other (as in the picture reverse C at the top of a C) and cut then from the line

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                  • M Mike Poz

                    The word Quartz is should have used is either "between" or "among", not "with". "With" implies that she's participation in the sharing. By the way, I need a visual display of the "cut in half (two halves) overlap like an x and cut in the middle (two halves cut in the middle makes four in my mind)" to see how you get six pieces from this. No matter how I do it, it always comes out to be either four pieces or eight pieces. And no, there's no bending because donuts worth dividing up aren't flexible like that. Trust me, I've eaten enough of them in my life time to be sure of this.

                    Mike Poz

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                    Raj Lal
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                    i have added the solution with picture

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                    • L Lost User

                      Cut the donut into Half. This will give us two C shaped donut pieces. Now place them as piece#1 as "C" at bottom and on top of it 2nd piece but in flipped "C" form so basically like "X" but overlapped. then cut in middle. This gives us 6 pieces. I hope you can visualize what I was saying.

                      Sohail

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                      Raj Lal
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                      i have added a picture for the solution

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                      • J Jim Crafton

                        Have you seen a donut recently? If you tried to "fold" it that many times you'd end up with a handful of crumbs, a group of pissed off little kids, and then a woman with a knife, a headache (from the kids), and an extremely bad disposition towards you. Yeah, sounds like a true win/win situation!!! :)

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                        Raj Lal
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                        It was never meant to be bent

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                        • L leppie

                          Mircea Grelus wrote:

                          Place them on top of each other and make another cut top-down on the C shape to divide each shape into 3.

                          Dont understand! :confused: I get 4 pieces, and now I wasted a perfectly good donut! ;P

                          xacc.ide
                          The rule of three: "The first time you notice something that might repeat, don't generalize it. The second time the situation occurs, develop in a similar fashion -- possibly even copy/paste -- but don't generalize yet. On the third time, look to generalize the approach."

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                          Raj Lal
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                          added solution

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                          • M Mircea Grelus

                            I can't believe this. Take 2 sheets of paper and cut them in the shape of a donut. Bend them and cut the C shape top-down as shown in my drawing. Count the pieces. You'll find eight of them. Assuming the rightmost piece (the piece to the right of the dotted line) is NOT cut through the middle - because as I mention it ISN'T - the 2 pieces of paper are actually one. So you have 7 pieces. Or better yet forget it. I'm getting tired of this.

                            Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy

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                            Raj Lal
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                            I was just trying to understand because if you can get 7 pieces in two cuts that makes it very interesting. and here is the picture of your solution http://trickofmind.com/images/puzzles/7pieces.png[^] Do you see anything glaring ?

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                            • R Raj Lal

                              A women has a donut, and TWO "use and throw" knives. she want to share it with 5 children and you, only if you can help her do that? [added] the women is sharing between her children and you , she is not eating [/added] -- modified at 19:22 Thursday 25th October, 2007

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                              Dalek Dave
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                              I am bigger than the children, so I use the knives to threaten them into submission and eat both doughnuts.:)

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                                I am bigger than the children, so I use the knives to threaten them into submission and eat both doughnuts.:)

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                                leppie
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                                There is just one donut!

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                                • R Raj Lal

                                  A women has a donut, and TWO "use and throw" knives. she want to share it with 5 children and you, only if you can help her do that? [added] the women is sharing between her children and you , she is not eating [/added] -- modified at 19:22 Thursday 25th October, 2007

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                                  leppie
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                                  http://xacc.qsh.eu/donuts.png[^] The knife can cut curves right? :p

                                  xacc.ide
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                                    I was just trying to understand because if you can get 7 pieces in two cuts that makes it very interesting. and here is the picture of your solution http://trickofmind.com/images/puzzles/7pieces.png[^] Do you see anything glaring ?

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                                    Dan Neely
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                                    your count is treating the bend as a cut. peices 3 and 5 are connected at the bend, as are 4 and 6.

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                                      your count is treating the bend as a cut. peices 3 and 5 are connected at the bend, as are 4 and 6.

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                                      Raj Lal
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                                      dan neely wrote:

                                      peices 3 and 5 are connected at the bend, as are 4 and 6

                                      yes thats what i was trying to clearify ! and AFAIK, i have drawn the solution as per "Mircea Grelus"

                                      Mircea Grelus wrote:

                                      So, cut horizontally from left to right up until the dotted line. Without moving the donut bend the left side over the right one to form a C shape (flipped). Now make a second cut on the dotted line. With this final cut, the left C shape is split into 6 pieces (3 for the top C shape and 3 for the button one) and there is the right piece, making it 7 pieces.

                                      Compare with http://trickofmind.com/images/puzzles/7pieces.png[^]

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                                      • R Raj Lal

                                        A women has a donut, and TWO "use and throw" knives. she want to share it with 5 children and you, only if you can help her do that? [added] the women is sharing between her children and you , she is not eating [/added] -- modified at 19:22 Thursday 25th October, 2007

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                                        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                                        Cut donut in half: 2 pieces Throw knife into 1 child Cut donut in half: 4 pieces. Throw knife into 1 child. 4 pieces, 4 survivors.


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                                        • R Raj Lal

                                          thats correct

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                                          Thanks :) Who else got the right answer? Do post puzzles once in a while, some of the replies are very funny, made me smile after a bad day.

                                          Sohail

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