Need some Advice for Job decision
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Hi I need some advice to get to a decision: I work now as a C# developer in a middle size (~300 people) company. Now there are two open jobs available: - C# Software Developer and Team Leader - Project Manager What are the questions I should ask myself to get some information, which of these 2 jobs is the right one or should I keep my current one? Thanks for your input Roland
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Roland Bär wrote:
What are the questions I should ask myself to get some information
What do you want to do with your life? seriously. Think on it. Do you want to "lead" do you want people asking you questions thinking you know the answers to everything? do you want the responsibility? Do you want to do the same thing forver? do you want to have to hire and fire people? (people often think of the former, never the latter, can you do it? if someone is thoroughly screwing up, can you fire them?) What do your performance reviews say about your people skills? do you agree with it? Get a full list of the duties of each position, or talk to the last person in them. Can you do it? no, seriously, don't fudge your answer with "I think so" or "I'll try" there is only do, and do not. Can you do the job?
Roland Bär wrote:
which of these 2 jobs is the right one or should I keep my current one?
If you have to ask us rather than just ask for questions, I would say your indecision will keep you in your current job. I held a manager's position when I was young, early 20's, for all of several months. I had to hire my replacement as a programmer, and fire him, and went back to the job as a programmer. I said I would never take a management position. I am team-lead, senior developer, though no project lead, and now outside of work I run my own company. Things change, never is a very long time, things definitely change. You are the only person who can answer the questions, but you have to answer them truthfully and without hesitation. If you are unsure because you don't know what the job entails, find out what the job entails!
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Hi I need some advice to get to a decision: I work now as a C# developer in a middle size (~300 people) company. Now there are two open jobs available: - C# Software Developer and Team Leader - Project Manager What are the questions I should ask myself to get some information, which of these 2 jobs is the right one or should I keep my current one? Thanks for your input Roland
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Will my company out-source developement in the next 2 years? Am I willing to go for PMI certification? Project Management is under upward price pressure, development is under downward price pressure, which is better?
MrPlankton
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Chris Losinger wrote:
as a project manager you probably won't be coding any more
As a Project Manager I won't be coding any more, only maybe in some special situations.
Chris Losinger wrote:
is that what you want ?
For me coding is not a 'holy cow', but now I don't know for sure that I won't miss it or that I will miss it... Roland
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You might want to ask yourself some of the following: Why am I programming? What do I want out of a programming career, if anything? Is there something else I'd rather be doing? Are my concerns primarily financial? Doh! Looks like El Corazon beat me to it! :)
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You might want to ask yourself some of the following: Why am I programming? What do I want out of a programming career, if anything? Is there something else I'd rather be doing? Are my concerns primarily financial? Doh! Looks like El Corazon beat me to it! :)
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
Jim Crafton wrote:
Doh! Looks like El Corazon beat me to it!
similar, but not quite the same... you said it in fewer words. ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Hi I need some advice to get to a decision: I work now as a C# developer in a middle size (~300 people) company. Now there are two open jobs available: - C# Software Developer and Team Leader - Project Manager What are the questions I should ask myself to get some information, which of these 2 jobs is the right one or should I keep my current one? Thanks for your input Roland
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Take the one that doesn't involve wearing a tie. :)
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Doh! Looks like El Corazon beat me to it!
similar, but not quite the same... you said it in fewer words. ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I hate typing :)
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I hate typing :)
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Jim Crafton wrote:
I hate typing
you should talk to your computer about that.... ;P ;P ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Jim Crafton wrote:
I hate typing
you should talk to your computer about that.... ;P ;P ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Hardy har har! :) I've always wanted to try one of the speech tools like Dragon. I wonder if I'd like it.
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Hi I need some advice to get to a decision: I work now as a C# developer in a middle size (~300 people) company. Now there are two open jobs available: - C# Software Developer and Team Leader - Project Manager What are the questions I should ask myself to get some information, which of these 2 jobs is the right one or should I keep my current one? Thanks for your input Roland
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Many years ago I was given a piece of advice - and it was the best piece of advice ever. Basically it goes "Don't give advice to others. They know what they want to do and they only want confirmation". So do what you want.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Many years ago I was given a piece of advice - and it was the best piece of advice ever. Basically it goes "Don't give advice to others. They know what they want to do and they only want confirmation". So do what you want.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
It's a good sig material:)
Don't give advice to others. They know what they want to do and they only want confirmation - Pete O' Hanlon
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It's a good sig material:)
Don't give advice to others. They know what they want to do and they only want confirmation - Pete O' Hanlon
I was thinking that too, but you beat me to it :)
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Coo
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I was thinking that too, but you beat me to it :)
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Coo
By all means feel free to share. :-D
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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By all means feel free to share. :-D
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
I'll wait until you drop some more pearls of wisdom. I don't want to seem like I'm being a copy cat ;) Don't worry, the way I have it figured, I should have a sig worthy (great sig too) quote within 17 hours, 11 minutes and ... 12 seconds :cool: I have all the faith in you Pete :D
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Coo
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I'll wait until you drop some more pearls of wisdom. I don't want to seem like I'm being a copy cat ;) Don't worry, the way I have it figured, I should have a sig worthy (great sig too) quote within 17 hours, 11 minutes and ... 12 seconds :cool: I have all the faith in you Pete :D
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Coo
So no pressure then.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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So no pressure then.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
none at all! :laugh:
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Coo
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Hi I need some advice to get to a decision: I work now as a C# developer in a middle size (~300 people) company. Now there are two open jobs available: - C# Software Developer and Team Leader - Project Manager What are the questions I should ask myself to get some information, which of these 2 jobs is the right one or should I keep my current one? Thanks for your input Roland
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none at all! :laugh:
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Coo
Hmmm. For some reason the phrase "I'm Canadian, that's American Lite" comes to mind.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Hi I need some advice to get to a decision: I work now as a C# developer in a middle size (~300 people) company. Now there are two open jobs available: - C# Software Developer and Team Leader - Project Manager What are the questions I should ask myself to get some information, which of these 2 jobs is the right one or should I keep my current one? Thanks for your input Roland
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Team Leader is always better than a Project Manager. Project Manager is what you call them that doesn't know anything. jhaga
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Roland Bär wrote:
What are the questions I should ask myself to get some information
What do you want to do with your life? seriously. Think on it. Do you want to "lead" do you want people asking you questions thinking you know the answers to everything? do you want the responsibility? Do you want to do the same thing forver? do you want to have to hire and fire people? (people often think of the former, never the latter, can you do it? if someone is thoroughly screwing up, can you fire them?) What do your performance reviews say about your people skills? do you agree with it? Get a full list of the duties of each position, or talk to the last person in them. Can you do it? no, seriously, don't fudge your answer with "I think so" or "I'll try" there is only do, and do not. Can you do the job?
Roland Bär wrote:
which of these 2 jobs is the right one or should I keep my current one?
If you have to ask us rather than just ask for questions, I would say your indecision will keep you in your current job. I held a manager's position when I was young, early 20's, for all of several months. I had to hire my replacement as a programmer, and fire him, and went back to the job as a programmer. I said I would never take a management position. I am team-lead, senior developer, though no project lead, and now outside of work I run my own company. Things change, never is a very long time, things definitely change. You are the only person who can answer the questions, but you have to answer them truthfully and without hesitation. If you are unsure because you don't know what the job entails, find out what the job entails!
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
I had to hire my replacement as a programmer, and fire him, and went back to the job as a programmer. I said I would never take a management position. I am team-lead, senior developer, though no project lead, and now outside of work I run my own company.
Been there, done that , got the .... You just described my situation perfectly except I am a contractor in a niche where the boss appreciates me. I got sick of chasing invoices and selling all the time so I retired to contracting and have never been happier. The longest job I have EVER had in 3 decades of work is my current contract.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Hmmm. For some reason the phrase "I'm Canadian, that's American Lite" comes to mind.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
I'm in Arizona, but the local arboretum has its annual Australia Day, under the eucalyptus trees, with a storyteller/musician to pass along some of the culture. (I took the didgeridoo class last year.) Anyway... Before he began his spiel on Saturday there was an announcement that a car with Ontario plates was blocking another car. The storyteller (Paul Taylor) said jokingly, "those bloody Canadians".