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  • L leppie

    as my 'team leader' does not why the following wrong:

    a.SomeProp = a.SomeProp; // no funny side-effects, plain old property

    And then he asked me not to criticize him... :wtf:

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    BonshatS
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    The good old reflexive property. Maybe he just wanted to be sure it was initialized.

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      Time to go crazy upside his ass Leppie blood. Giv' dat ho a biatch slapping boyie.... oh, sorry, had some rap music on in da the background. Ahem. Politely remind him that he's a tw*t.

      "...great scott!" Dilbert: Aren't all meetings like this... Richard Dawkins: "What if you're wrong?"

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      Nagy Vilmos
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      1.21 Gigawatts wrote:

      Politely remind him that he's a tw*t.

      How's that going to work? The correct approach is: "Oy! Gonad chops! Stop #slap# being #slap# such #slap# a #slap# tw*tting #slap# tw*t #slap# !!" ...and breath.


      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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      • I Ian Shlasko

        But where's the line between useless and wrong? I mean, you start here:

        a.SomeProp = a.SomeProp;

        Then here...

        Debug.Assert(a.SomeProp == a.SomeProp);

        And somehow you end up here...

        while (true)
        {
        if ((a.SomeProp == a.SomeProp) == true)
        {
        a.SomeProp = a.SomeProp;
        break;
        }
        }
        return (a.SomeProp == a.SomeProp);

        And then it starts to get a little weird.

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)

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        Dave Parker
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        lol maybe the compiler optimizes that away tho? still pointless, but amusing at the same time. Was it auto-generated?

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        • N Nagy Vilmos

          1.21 Gigawatts wrote:

          Politely remind him that he's a tw*t.

          How's that going to work? The correct approach is: "Oy! Gonad chops! Stop #slap# being #slap# such #slap# a #slap# tw*tting #slap# tw*t #slap# !!" ...and breath.


          Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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          1 21 Gigawatts
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          Nagy Vilmos wrote:

          The correct approach is:

          Aahhh, I see you've dished out a few 'get real' beatings seminars before I must learn...

          "...great scott!" Dilbert: Aren't all meetings like this... Richard Dawkins: "What if you're wrong?"

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          • I Ian Shlasko

            But where's the line between useless and wrong? I mean, you start here:

            a.SomeProp = a.SomeProp;

            Then here...

            Debug.Assert(a.SomeProp == a.SomeProp);

            And somehow you end up here...

            while (true)
            {
            if ((a.SomeProp == a.SomeProp) == true)
            {
            a.SomeProp = a.SomeProp;
            break;
            }
            }
            return (a.SomeProp == a.SomeProp);

            And then it starts to get a little weird.

            Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)

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            leppie
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            Ian Shlasko wrote:

            And then it starts to get a little weird.

            Classic :) You should see the number of side-effects this guy does. It's insane!

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            • B BonshatS

              The good old reflexive property. Maybe he just wanted to be sure it was initialized.

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              leppie
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              BonshatS wrote:

              Maybe he just wanted to be sure it was initialized.

              This is him exactly! http://www.geekherocomic.com/2009/07/27/common-pitfalls-initialize-your-variables/[^]

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              • L leppie

                as my 'team leader' does not why the following wrong:

                a.SomeProp = a.SomeProp; // no funny side-effects, plain old property

                And then he asked me not to criticize him... :wtf:

                xacc.ide
                IronScheme - 1.0 beta 4 - out now!
                ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                martin_hughes
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                What I don't get is, given your technical excellence and all that jazz, why you aren't the team leader? Mumbler? Strange body odour? Shy? Unwilling/unable to shout at management types and make demands?

                print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?

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                • L leppie

                  BonshatS wrote:

                  Maybe he just wanted to be sure it was initialized.

                  This is him exactly! http://www.geekherocomic.com/2009/07/27/common-pitfalls-initialize-your-variables/[^]

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                  Pierre Leclercq
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                  :-D

                  You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.

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                  • M martin_hughes

                    What I don't get is, given your technical excellence and all that jazz, why you aren't the team leader? Mumbler? Strange body odour? Shy? Unwilling/unable to shout at management types and make demands?

                    print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?

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                    Pierre Leclercq
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                    hehe... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle[^] arf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbert_Principle[^]

                    You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.

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                    • L leppie

                      as my 'team leader' does not why the following wrong:

                      a.SomeProp = a.SomeProp; // no funny side-effects, plain old property

                      And then he asked me not to criticize him... :wtf:

                      xacc.ide
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                      ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                      Early in my career, I once made a mistake of commenting a line of code, that broke the whole application. Here is how it looked like:-

                      void BalanceInvoice(int x, int y , int z)
                      {
                      MyInvoiceObject* p = new MyInvoiceObject(x, y, z);
                      delete p;

                      ... Do other stuff that ran 200 lines ...
                      }

                      I commented the first line thinking it was useless. Turns out that the constructor and only the constructor did the main work. I hope your team leader does not write like that.

                      public object SomeProp
                      {
                      get
                      {
                      return 0;
                      }
                      set
                      {
                      ... Connect to database ...
                      ... Call a web service ...
                      ... Do all the other important stuff required in the application ...
                      }
                      }

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                      • M martin_hughes

                        What I don't get is, given your technical excellence and all that jazz, why you aren't the team leader? Mumbler? Strange body odour? Shy? Unwilling/unable to shout at management types and make demands?

                        print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?

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                        1 21 Gigawatts
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                        martin_hughes wrote:

                        why you aren't the team leader

                        Probably because of his technical excellence.

                        "...great scott!" Dilbert: Aren't all meetings like this... Richard Dawkins: "What if you're wrong?"

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                        • M martin_hughes

                          What I don't get is, given your technical excellence and all that jazz, why you aren't the team leader? Mumbler? Strange body odour? Shy? Unwilling/unable to shout at management types and make demands?

                          print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?

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                          leppie
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                          Because he was the clown that wrote up a quarter-assed client functional requirement spec. It lacks about 70% of the requirements. And somewhere inside his skull that info still lives (or rots). Please note, this 'client spec' is the only thing our team has to go on, and consistently the client complains about missing functionality. Professionally, I have been trying to avoid taking responsibility for someone else's fuckups, but it seems there is no other way now. Bottom line is, I dont wanna do anything, while he has write-access to the code. he has been spending the last 6 weeks working on something that should have taken 3 days max, given most of the code was copied from somewhere else on the internet (like pretty much all of his code, copies of other people's code, and mine...).

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                          ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                          • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                            Early in my career, I once made a mistake of commenting a line of code, that broke the whole application. Here is how it looked like:-

                            void BalanceInvoice(int x, int y , int z)
                            {
                            MyInvoiceObject* p = new MyInvoiceObject(x, y, z);
                            delete p;

                            ... Do other stuff that ran 200 lines ...
                            }

                            I commented the first line thinking it was useless. Turns out that the constructor and only the constructor did the main work. I hope your team leader does not write like that.

                            public object SomeProp
                            {
                            get
                            {
                            return 0;
                            }
                            set
                            {
                            ... Connect to database ...
                            ... Call a web service ...
                            ... Do all the other important stuff required in the application ...
                            }
                            }

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                            leppie
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                            #17

                            Side-effects are evil. Learn to appreciate that, and code becomes dead simple. I can code fresh code faster than trying to understand what his code is attempting to do.

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                            ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x)))

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                            • L leppie

                              Side-effects are evil. Learn to appreciate that, and code becomes dead simple. I can code fresh code faster than trying to understand what his code is attempting to do.

                              xacc.ide
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                              Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                              leppie wrote:

                              Side-effects are evil.

                              Yes as I said I broke the main logic an entire application commenting out what I thought was useless.

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                              • L leppie

                                Side-effects are evil. Learn to appreciate that, and code becomes dead simple. I can code fresh code faster than trying to understand what his code is attempting to do.

                                xacc.ide
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                                Marc Clifton
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                                leppie wrote:

                                Side-effects are evil. Learn to appreciate that, and code becomes dead simple.

                                But isn't that the worst thing about AOP, that you don't know what side effects might be introduced? Marc

                                Will work for food. Interacx

                                I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner

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                                • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                  leppie wrote:

                                  Side-effects are evil.

                                  Yes as I said I broke the main logic an entire application commenting out what I thought was useless.

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                                  Pierre Leclercq
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                                  But do not worry, there are cases when it is legitimate to comment out some unused/unnecessary code. But what your post shows, the worst the code is, the harder to choose what to comment out.

                                  You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    leppie wrote:

                                    Side-effects are evil. Learn to appreciate that, and code becomes dead simple.

                                    But isn't that the worst thing about AOP, that you don't know what side effects might be introduced? Marc

                                    Will work for food. Interacx

                                    I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner

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                                    Pierre Leclercq
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                                    I always wonder why clean functional programming is not more common?

                                    You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.

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                                    • L leppie

                                      Because he was the clown that wrote up a quarter-assed client functional requirement spec. It lacks about 70% of the requirements. And somewhere inside his skull that info still lives (or rots). Please note, this 'client spec' is the only thing our team has to go on, and consistently the client complains about missing functionality. Professionally, I have been trying to avoid taking responsibility for someone else's fuckups, but it seems there is no other way now. Bottom line is, I dont wanna do anything, while he has write-access to the code. he has been spending the last 6 weeks working on something that should have taken 3 days max, given most of the code was copied from somewhere else on the internet (like pretty much all of his code, copies of other people's code, and mine...).

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                                      Nagy Vilmos
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                                      I wondered were my boss had got to! But as am in a kind mood, you can keep him. ;)


                                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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                                      • M Marc Clifton

                                        leppie wrote:

                                        Side-effects are evil. Learn to appreciate that, and code becomes dead simple.

                                        But isn't that the worst thing about AOP, that you don't know what side effects might be introduced? Marc

                                        Will work for food. Interacx

                                        I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner

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                                        leppie
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                                        Marc Clifton wrote:

                                        But isn't that the worst thing about AOP, that you don't know what side effects might be introduced?

                                        That's the problem with age old pensioners, very unpredictable :) (sorry, im trying to cheer myself up)

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                                        • L leppie

                                          Because he was the clown that wrote up a quarter-assed client functional requirement spec. It lacks about 70% of the requirements. And somewhere inside his skull that info still lives (or rots). Please note, this 'client spec' is the only thing our team has to go on, and consistently the client complains about missing functionality. Professionally, I have been trying to avoid taking responsibility for someone else's fuckups, but it seems there is no other way now. Bottom line is, I dont wanna do anything, while he has write-access to the code. he has been spending the last 6 weeks working on something that should have taken 3 days max, given most of the code was copied from somewhere else on the internet (like pretty much all of his code, copies of other people's code, and mine...).

                                          xacc.ide
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                                          Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                                          leppie wrote:

                                          he has been spending the last 6 weeks working on something that should have taken 3 days max

                                          Holy Zucchini! I'd have certainly rocked the boat...

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