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  • C codemunkeh

    You so could write it like that in VB. But it would be tantamount to num *= 2 err I mean num = num * 2 Curses to VB and it's lack of shorthand arithmetic operators!


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    dawmail333
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    If you actually bothered to check, VB.Net HAS had that shorthand since .Net 1.1. Check your facts mate! And he was talking about the case sensitivity in C# (my main gripe with it): so that num <> Num <> NUM, so that num = Num + NUM is NOT num *= 2

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      If you actually bothered to check, VB.Net HAS had that shorthand since .Net 1.1. Check your facts mate! And he was talking about the case sensitivity in C# (my main gripe with it): so that num <> Num <> NUM, so that num = Num + NUM is NOT num *= 2

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      codemunkeh
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      I could've sworn it didn't have it when I used it in .NET 2, odd.. And I meant VB when I said num *= 2. I was trying to highlight my gripe with my last (apparently inaccurate) experience of VB, how it lacks in things I like using. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Edit: definitely my bad. I had somehow confused *= with ++. I tried writing some VB about 5 minutes ago and automatically put ; at the end of every line. :doh:


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      • T Todd Smith

        What programming terms would you consider equivalent to foul language? For example: Legacy Code

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        BillWoodruff
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        "Specification." best, Bill

        "Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844

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        • T Todd Smith

          What programming terms would you consider equivalent to foul language? For example: Legacy Code

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          CodeGimp
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          • T Todd Smith

            What programming terms would you consider equivalent to foul language? For example: Legacy Code

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            Lucien0
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            Todd Smith wrote:

            What programming terms would you consider equivalent to foul language? For example:

            Code without comments. I think it's synonymous with talking at you, rather than with you. Rude. Leaving compiler warnings in a build. Which speaks so much about the character of the programmer. Lazy, like koalas. Luc

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            • I Ian Shlasko

              Drop the semi-colon? And be forced _ to resort to VB's _ horrible style of _ line continuations!?!? No thanks. Though the case sensitivity... I wouldn't have to deal with code where people name the private variables the same as the exposed properties, with just case differences... Or better yet, gems like:

              int num = Num + NUM;

              Thankfully, I've never actually seen a line that bad, but imagine a program written like that... There's something you can't do in VB.

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              Seth Rowe
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              Ian Shlasko wrote:

              Drop the semi-colon? And be forced _ to resort to VB's _ horrible style of _ line continuations!?!?

              Of course with the release of Visual Studio 2010, VB will be getting implicit line continuation for most areas :-) Thanks, Seth Rowe [MVP]

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              • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                Really? I loved checked exceptions when I was programming in Java. I have the backing of at least one more highly-respected CPian. :)

                Cheers, Vikram. (Proud to have finally cracked a CCC!)

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                Daniel Vaughan
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                Me too. When they are used properly.

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                • J jeron1

                  goto X|

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                  Fabio Franco
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                  I agree with that, despite knowing that at Assembly level, that's exactly what your code will do.

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                  • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                    Throws, as in the Java notation :thumbsdown:

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                    Fabio Franco
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                    This is the only thing about JAVA that I miss wish to be in C#. This is very useful when you're using other people's libraries. You get know what to catch, without needing a very well documented library.

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                    • F Fabio Franco

                      This is the only thing about JAVA that I miss wish to be in C#. This is very useful when you're using other people's libraries. You get know what to catch, without needing a very well documented library.

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                      Dan Neely
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                      .... right up until something changes in the library and it can throw a new exception at which point the library author has to either break every single app that consumes it, cast the new exception into a different type defeating the purpose of typed exceptions in the first place, or just have every method throw exception from the start defeating the purpose of checked exceptions from the start. X|

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                      • B Brady Kelly

                        I like writing documents. :)

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                        Daniel Vaughan
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                        Me too.

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                        • S Seth Rowe

                          Ian Shlasko wrote:

                          Drop the semi-colon? And be forced _ to resort to VB's _ horrible style of _ line continuations!?!?

                          Of course with the release of Visual Studio 2010, VB will be getting implicit line continuation for most areas :-) Thanks, Seth Rowe [MVP]

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                          Dan Neely
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                          *cringe* I can just imagine the number of urgent doubts that will be flooding the forums whenever the implicit guessing fails. :doh:

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                          • N Nougat H

                            something something {

                            more of that something

                            }

                            I know some like this kind of brace style but personally I can't stand it at all. It goes so far that I tend to reformat a piece of code with this brace style before reading it :-D.

                            ____________________________ I didn't know what to put in here.

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                            Dan Neely
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                            Yeah there's nothing quite like naming your churchcult after the name of the authors who weren't able to convince their publisher that reformatting their code like that to save on printing costs wasn't a good idea. :rolleyes:

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                            • B Brady Kelly

                              I like writing documents. :)

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                              Dan Neely
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                              ... and exile you to management for all of eternity.

                              The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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                              • D Dan Neely

                                .... right up until something changes in the library and it can throw a new exception at which point the library author has to either break every single app that consumes it, cast the new exception into a different type defeating the purpose of typed exceptions in the first place, or just have every method throw exception from the start defeating the purpose of checked exceptions from the start. X|

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                                Fabio Franco
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                                That might happen even if you don't have typed exceptions. And we will always have the option of handling a base exception, which covers all exceptions for cases like this.

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                                • F Fabio Franco

                                  This is the only thing about JAVA that I miss wish to be in C#. This is very useful when you're using other people's libraries. You get know what to catch, without needing a very well documented library.

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                                  csharphacker
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                                  You do realize you can mark up which exceptions are thrown in XML comments? I forget if that junk shows up in the intellisense though...

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                                  • P Pete OHanlon

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                                    DiscoJimmy
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                                    Amen. Any language that uses VB6 style exception handling should be outlawed. Gives me a headache every time I try to read it.

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                                    • T Todd Smith

                                      What programming terms would you consider equivalent to foul language? For example: Legacy Code

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                                      Delphi4ever
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                                      Spagetti code. "Budding" code. "Moulded" code (large sections commented out). Quick fix X|

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                                      • T Todd Smith

                                        What programming terms would you consider equivalent to foul language? For example: Legacy Code

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                                        • D dmitri_sps

                                          Kidding ? :omg: Coding without it is like using FORTRAN: do not catch anything, or enclose all code in try/catch, just in case ;P

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                                          ely_bob
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                                          You should be able to code it without raising exceptions.. if you can't you should go back to school. :)

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