Visual Studio 2010 is coming out soon. Does anyone care?

[Lost User]

Hmph?

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[Roger Wright]

What, exactly, if F#? I've seen references to it, but nothing really informative. I recall a language called Forth that had the interesting feature of being able to create your own language features and keywords, then use them for programming. Are they related?

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[Scott Serl]

I like the new parallel stuff in C# and linq (plinq). The code analysis stuff in VS also looks nice, especially for contractors like me who come in and must get up to speed quickly. The historical debugging looks rad too. I think there is more good stuff in the 2010 release than in any other single release of VS for .Net.

[CKnig]

Are you kidding us? I guess it's rather pointless to tell you in a few lines what F# is - just use your favorite search-engine ;) I allready use F# in some productive settings and the async-workflow feature alone is worth the effort to learn it :laugh: It's no gamechanger if you are mainly in UI-programming (and here only because there are no desingers - but those *new* event-processing featrues RX gives us was avaiable in F# for a long time) but for more complex settings, parallel and async programming, quick algorithm design and testing its in my opinion THE language in the .net env.

[CKnig]

Hi, for me it's the first realease I'm really looking forward to (and I allready use the RC for some productive projects) - for the last releases there was the big improvements in the .net framework and ecosystem (generics, lambdas, linq, WCF, WPF, ...) but this time I really like: - TFS2010 - for a very small team (well it's more or less just me plus 1-2 other guys that joins on some ocassions) it's just great to get a tool you can just "fire and forget" (the installation) - F# ... finally - after long years waiting it's a full member ... that alone is worth the update - there are a lot of improvements for Silverlight and MVC2 (I don't really like Webforms...) the reactive extensions and the task parallel lib. are very good (FP for the win ;) ) - after some doubts during Beta2 I really like the editor and even the speed of the IDE - the new 5.0beta Release of ReSharper even seems to run quicker then with VS2008 (yes for me it's a essential plugin - if only I could have F# support :( ) - the only thing I don't care at all is "dynamics" - I just can't seem to find the time and interest to look into it After all there is no expense for me (ok I have to deinstall/install some parts - so I have to invest some time) - but even without MSDN sub. I would run to the store the first day it's out :thumbsup:

[Roger Wright]

Sounds like a very cool tool! No, I 'm not kidding - I don't program for a living anymore, and haven't for a couple of decades. But when I did, designing algorithms and state machines for real-time electronics testing was my forte. F# probably would have been a great help. Implementing Kalman filters and adaptive signal processing, FFTs and Z-transforms in HP-BASIC was no fun at all!

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[omie6541]

I'm pretty much excited I can say. I'm a student and learning new things, I'm looking forward to play with .NET 4.0

[BitBarbeQue]

I'm very excited too, cause I won a copy in the Azure contest. ;P If you like to get more challenge - why don't you try a bit assembler?

[NormDroid]

I can't wait, I been on the Visual Studio road for as long as.... well Visual C++ 1.x :)

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[Filip C]

"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready.

[Adriaan Davel]

If you want to make it harder to do your job install Win3.1 (it uses a mouse as well) and use notepad to write assembly code with :) Its about continuos progression. MS has chosen to not add too much to .Net4 (which I aagree 100% with), but VS 2010 has many new goodies. I love the WPF code editor, it works really well, only subtle differences to the previous one but I went back to VS 2008 the other day and code editing was less pleasant. If you are planning to even consider Silverlight, don't bother withb VS 2008. I've been doing SL development in VS 2010 Beta2 since the day it came out, RC is much better (but has a few new bugs :( ) but I can't wait till RTM relaese...

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[KungFuCoder]

Mark Nischalke wrote:

improvements to the IDE itself.

So being able to reliably crash the IDE and silently re-writing bits of a .aspx page and occsionally the .net code so that my app no longer works are a thing of the past ? Oh, and occasionally having to close and re-open VS to get the site to compile - I'll be rather glad to be rid of that one as well

[hairy_hats]

Some features might be nice to have, but I'd be more excited if it didn't require a Cray to run at a usable speed.

[peterchen]

Looking forward to C++ `auto` Playing around with resource pilfering (might become an article)

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[KenBonny]

Filip C wrote:

"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready

Isn't it more clean to use

public void Func(object param1) {
func(param1, "test");
}

public void Func(object param1, string param2) {
//process stuff
}

This way you get multiple overloads in the Intelisense instead of

Func(param1[, param2])

[ian__lindsay 0]

Am quite excited too, things I am looking forward to playing with: - C++0x features, auto and lambdas particularly - never did like functors - Direct2D and DirectWrite look cool (not sure if they are particularly are a .net 4 feature though) - Improvements for intellisense in C++ (but see below) and the IDE in general - Task parallel library - Proper multi monitor support Things I am not looking forward to: - No intellisense in C++/CLI - might even mean I wait for SP1 before seriously adopting VS2010 as we make heavy use of C++/CLI (thanks for the book by the way Nish - extremely helpful in teaching an old C++ dog some new .net tricks!) - WPF for the IDE - sure it will look pretty, but will it run as fast - from our experience of WPF, I'm not so sure, but they may have made improvements while using it in anger themselves.

[originSH]

That dude sounds like an idiot :)

[Searril]

I am. I skipped VS2008 and don't want to get too far behind what's current, so VS2010 is pretty much a definite for me.

[Not Active]

Who cares about VB. ;P There are more features being added to VB.NET to make it more like C#. With 5.0 VB developers may actually need to know and understand OO.

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[ToddHileHoffer]

I am considering Silverlight. I've made a few small applications with it using VS 2010 RC. It is not bad at all. There were so demo videos on line, so I was able to set up paging and WCF services to hit the database. My biggest gripe with silver light programing is the error handling / debugging. With ASP.Net webforms, I put a few lines of code in the global.asax on error event to call my generic error handler class and I basically get the line number and file name of the .net code that caused an exception. I still haven't figured out how to handle errors properly in SL. You can't email from Silverlight, for obvious reasons. I get that MS does not want me to turn browsers into spam servers, but I haven't found a good solution for dealing with exceptions. This has prevented me from using it for any major application.

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