Visual Studio 2010 is coming out soon. Does anyone care?
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Absolutely, there are some nice enhancements to the .net framework, like optional parameters, and improvements to the IDE itself.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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If you want to make it harder to do your job install Win3.1 (it uses a mouse as well) and use notepad to write assembly code with :) Its about continuos progression. MS has chosen to not add too much to .Net4 (which I aagree 100% with), but VS 2010 has many new goodies. I love the WPF code editor, it works really well, only subtle differences to the previous one but I went back to VS 2008 the other day and code editing was less pleasant. If you are planning to even consider Silverlight, don't bother withb VS 2008. I've been doing SL development in VS 2010 Beta2 since the day it came out, RC is much better (but has a few new bugs :( ) but I can't wait till RTM relaese...
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Absolutely, there are some nice enhancements to the .net framework, like optional parameters, and improvements to the IDE itself.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
Mark Nischalke wrote:
improvements to the IDE itself.
So being able to reliably crash the IDE and silently re-writing bits of a .aspx page and occsionally the .net code so that my app no longer works are a thing of the past ? Oh, and occasionally having to close and re-open VS to get the site to compile - I'll be rather glad to be rid of that one as well
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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Some features might be nice to have, but I'd be more excited if it didn't require a Cray to run at a usable speed.
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready.
Filip C wrote:
"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready
Isn't it more clean to use
public void Func(object param1) {
func(param1, "test");
}public void Func(object param1, string param2) {
//process stuff
}This way you get multiple overloads in the Intelisense instead of
Func(param1[, param2])
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I do care, and I am quite excited about it :-) Used both the betas for a while, and now using the RC. Will be good to go RTM when it's out next week.
Regards, Nish
Blog: blog.voidnish.com Most recent article: An MVVM friendly approach to adding system menu entries in a WPF application
Am quite excited too, things I am looking forward to playing with: - C++0x features, auto and lambdas particularly - never did like functors - Direct2D and DirectWrite look cool (not sure if they are particularly are a .net 4 feature though) - Improvements for intellisense in C++ (but see below) and the IDE in general - Task parallel library - Proper multi monitor support Things I am not looking forward to: - No intellisense in C++/CLI - might even mean I wait for SP1 before seriously adopting VS2010 as we make heavy use of C++/CLI (thanks for the book by the way Nish - extremely helpful in teaching an old C++ dog some new .net tricks!) - WPF for the IDE - sure it will look pretty, but will it run as fast - from our experience of WPF, I'm not so sure, but they may have made improvements while using it in anger themselves.
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I think this sums it all... http://screamingcoder.blogspot.com
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready.
Who cares about VB. ;P There are more features being added to VB.NET to make it more like C#. With 5.0 VB developers may actually need to know and understand OO.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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If you want to make it harder to do your job install Win3.1 (it uses a mouse as well) and use notepad to write assembly code with :) Its about continuos progression. MS has chosen to not add too much to .Net4 (which I aagree 100% with), but VS 2010 has many new goodies. I love the WPF code editor, it works really well, only subtle differences to the previous one but I went back to VS 2008 the other day and code editing was less pleasant. If you are planning to even consider Silverlight, don't bother withb VS 2008. I've been doing SL development in VS 2010 Beta2 since the day it came out, RC is much better (but has a few new bugs :( ) but I can't wait till RTM relaese...
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I am considering Silverlight. I've made a few small applications with it using VS 2010 RC. It is not bad at all. There were so demo videos on line, so I was able to set up paging and WCF services to hit the database. My biggest gripe with silver light programing is the error handling / debugging. With ASP.Net webforms, I put a few lines of code in the global.asax on error event to call my generic error handler class and I basically get the line number and file name of the .net code that caused an exception. I still haven't figured out how to handle errors properly in SL. You can't email from Silverlight, for obvious reasons. I get that MS does not want me to turn browsers into spam servers, but I haven't found a good solution for dealing with exceptions. This has prevented me from using it for any major application.
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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Oh yes! One word, Intellitrace! Being able to debug forward and now BACKWARDS!?! Do you know how much time that will save? Have you ever been debuging through a program, only to realize you've gone too far in your code? Right now, you have to restart the program, and try to get back to the exact spot you were before. If you have medium to high complexity programs, this can suck up alot of time in your day. I'm really exited about this.
"It's like the sixties, but with less hope."
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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I guess I am one of the few who is looking forward to VS 2010. I am not a big fan of VS 2008. I find it quirky and sometimes maddening slow when working with web apps. I actually still prefer working with VS 2005 as I find it a more solid implementation. However, I can understand if many technicians have little appetite for yet another release of VS. Much of what you need to accomplish can be done in VS 2005... and quite well. After a point there is simply not much a vendor can offer in a new version of an IDE or a compiler except for new but very esoteric features such as generics or LINQ...
Steve Naidamast Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@ix.netcom.com
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Oh yes! One word, Intellitrace! Being able to debug forward and now BACKWARDS!?! Do you know how much time that will save? Have you ever been debuging through a program, only to realize you've gone too far in your code? Right now, you have to restart the program, and try to get back to the exact spot you were before. If you have medium to high complexity programs, this can suck up alot of time in your day. I'm really exited about this.
"It's like the sixties, but with less hope."
I didn't know about that feature. That sounds awesome.
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
improvements to the IDE itself.
So being able to reliably crash the IDE and silently re-writing bits of a .aspx page and occsionally the .net code so that my app no longer works are a thing of the past ? Oh, and occasionally having to close and re-open VS to get the site to compile - I'll be rather glad to be rid of that one as well
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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Oh yeah, specially the new features on parallelism of Framework 4.0
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Filip C wrote:
"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready
Isn't it more clean to use
public void Func(object param1) {
func(param1, "test");
}public void Func(object param1, string param2) {
//process stuff
}This way you get multiple overloads in the Intelisense instead of
Func(param1[, param2])
KenBonny wrote:
Isn't it more clean to use [overloaded functions]
That's what they were saying in every .NET framework version up to 3.5, at least for C#. I was never completely convinced. Sometimes the things a function needs to do is similar enough from one set of parameters to the next that having different functions can lead to duplicate code. It may be a good idea to have both options available. Optional parameters were available in VB.NET, but C# people always said it was just another case of letting VB programmers violate the principles of good OO design. Will they now be eating crow, or will they slam MS for yet another sin? :)
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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I'm doing a lot of silverlight and xaml. So YES!!! I'm excited. The IDE has greatly improved tools to make development for those technologies easier.
Programmer Glenn Earl Graham Austin, TX
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Filip C wrote:
"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready
Isn't it more clean to use
public void Func(object param1) {
func(param1, "test");
}public void Func(object param1, string param2) {
//process stuff
}This way you get multiple overloads in the Intelisense instead of
Func(param1[, param2])
Sure - it's cleaner when you have 2 options - 1 parm or 2. Now take a method that has 5 parms, and write overloads for all the combinations, when parm 2-5 are optional and not dependent on one another. Overloads get numerous, ugly, and a pain to maintain. Optional Parameter (with defaults) becomes much cleaner.