Visual Studio 2010 is coming out soon. Does anyone care?
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready.
Who cares about VB. ;P There are more features being added to VB.NET to make it more like C#. With 5.0 VB developers may actually need to know and understand OO.
I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt
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If you want to make it harder to do your job install Win3.1 (it uses a mouse as well) and use notepad to write assembly code with :) Its about continuos progression. MS has chosen to not add too much to .Net4 (which I aagree 100% with), but VS 2010 has many new goodies. I love the WPF code editor, it works really well, only subtle differences to the previous one but I went back to VS 2008 the other day and code editing was less pleasant. If you are planning to even consider Silverlight, don't bother withb VS 2008. I've been doing SL development in VS 2010 Beta2 since the day it came out, RC is much better (but has a few new bugs :( ) but I can't wait till RTM relaese...
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I am considering Silverlight. I've made a few small applications with it using VS 2010 RC. It is not bad at all. There were so demo videos on line, so I was able to set up paging and WCF services to hit the database. My biggest gripe with silver light programing is the error handling / debugging. With ASP.Net webforms, I put a few lines of code in the global.asax on error event to call my generic error handler class and I basically get the line number and file name of the .net code that caused an exception. I still haven't figured out how to handle errors properly in SL. You can't email from Silverlight, for obvious reasons. I get that MS does not want me to turn browsers into spam servers, but I haven't found a good solution for dealing with exceptions. This has prevented me from using it for any major application.
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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Oh yes! One word, Intellitrace! Being able to debug forward and now BACKWARDS!?! Do you know how much time that will save? Have you ever been debuging through a program, only to realize you've gone too far in your code? Right now, you have to restart the program, and try to get back to the exact spot you were before. If you have medium to high complexity programs, this can suck up alot of time in your day. I'm really exited about this.
"It's like the sixties, but with less hope."
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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I guess I am one of the few who is looking forward to VS 2010. I am not a big fan of VS 2008. I find it quirky and sometimes maddening slow when working with web apps. I actually still prefer working with VS 2005 as I find it a more solid implementation. However, I can understand if many technicians have little appetite for yet another release of VS. Much of what you need to accomplish can be done in VS 2005... and quite well. After a point there is simply not much a vendor can offer in a new version of an IDE or a compiler except for new but very esoteric features such as generics or LINQ...
Steve Naidamast Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@ix.netcom.com
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Oh yes! One word, Intellitrace! Being able to debug forward and now BACKWARDS!?! Do you know how much time that will save? Have you ever been debuging through a program, only to realize you've gone too far in your code? Right now, you have to restart the program, and try to get back to the exact spot you were before. If you have medium to high complexity programs, this can suck up alot of time in your day. I'm really exited about this.
"It's like the sixties, but with less hope."
I didn't know about that feature. That sounds awesome.
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
improvements to the IDE itself.
So being able to reliably crash the IDE and silently re-writing bits of a .aspx page and occsionally the .net code so that my app no longer works are a thing of the past ? Oh, and occasionally having to close and re-open VS to get the site to compile - I'll be rather glad to be rid of that one as well
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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Oh yeah, specially the new features on parallelism of Framework 4.0
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Filip C wrote:
"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready
Isn't it more clean to use
public void Func(object param1) {
func(param1, "test");
}public void Func(object param1, string param2) {
//process stuff
}This way you get multiple overloads in the Intelisense instead of
Func(param1[, param2])
KenBonny wrote:
Isn't it more clean to use [overloaded functions]
That's what they were saying in every .NET framework version up to 3.5, at least for C#. I was never completely convinced. Sometimes the things a function needs to do is similar enough from one set of parameters to the next that having different functions can lead to duplicate code. It may be a good idea to have both options available. Optional parameters were available in VB.NET, but C# people always said it was just another case of letting VB programmers violate the principles of good OO design. Will they now be eating crow, or will they slam MS for yet another sin? :)
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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I'm doing a lot of silverlight and xaml. So YES!!! I'm excited. The IDE has greatly improved tools to make development for those technologies easier.
Programmer Glenn Earl Graham Austin, TX
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Filip C wrote:
"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready
Isn't it more clean to use
public void Func(object param1) {
func(param1, "test");
}public void Func(object param1, string param2) {
//process stuff
}This way you get multiple overloads in the Intelisense instead of
Func(param1[, param2])
Sure - it's cleaner when you have 2 options - 1 parm or 2. Now take a method that has 5 parms, and write overloads for all the combinations, when parm 2-5 are optional and not dependent on one another. Overloads get numerous, ugly, and a pain to maintain. Optional Parameter (with defaults) becomes much cleaner.
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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Don't confuse VS 2010 (the IDE) with .Net 4 (the SDK). The new features like optional parameters, Silverlight 4, MVC2, etc. are part of .Net 4, not necessarily VS 2010. That being said I am excited a bit about both. While I have no real business need for .Net 4 I do plan on moving some of our stuff to MVC 2 and I might have a side project in the wings from a client that I'll probably look into WPF 4 for. I'm excited about the new IDE only because of the new WPF interface and MEF integration. VS in the past was always clunky and I was really afraid to ever upgrade. Something always broke and it wasn't until a few service packs that I felt comfortable using it. However, ever since VS 2005 and especially with VS 2008 it seems they really have ironed out a lot of issues. I can honestly say 2008 is my most favorite version. It is quick and just seems to work really well. There are occasional times where it dies but that's rare. Having the new MEF and WPF should make vendor add-ons like Resharper much more stable and powerful. So, when products work great and add new power I am always excited to load the new one. I'm looking forward to VS 2010.
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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I think I'm going to sit this one out for a little while. The stuff I develop is mostly business-intelligence components in C#. I don't develop Web GUI (Windows GUI is fine for test apps that test my code). SQL 2008 is a good back-end for this - it all works. I put the VS2010 RC onto a VM and, yeah - it's looks nice. Seems to work as well as VS2008 does - but I don't see anything there that requires an upgrade. I got VS2008 Standard for a good price - can't see dropping $500+ for something that won't get me anything right now. They're not going to produce a "Standard" version of 2010. Maybe if I were a web developer I'd feel differently. -Max :-)
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Mark Nischalke wrote:
improvements to the IDE itself.
So being able to reliably crash the IDE and silently re-writing bits of a .aspx page and occsionally the .net code so that my app no longer works are a thing of the past ? Oh, and occasionally having to close and re-open VS to get the site to compile - I'll be rather glad to be rid of that one as well
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I still use Visual Studio 6.0. It actually runs fast on my new windows 7 / 64 bit laptop. I tried Visual Studio 2010 RC1 and it's a total .HOG ... But what do you expect of anything carrying the weight of .NET on its back?
i still use 2005 and its still the best, you dont have to worry about the .net framework not being on people's machines because most of the time you use 2.0 so even XP users should have it and it does most things that 2008 does and is less of a resource hog to.
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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Pros: - C++0x (although it has not yet been standardized; - Improved C++ Intellisense; - Ribbon designer (which I haven't really had the time to play with yet). Cons: - No Intellisense in C++/CLI (not that I use it much anyway); - Broken Intellisense in C; - No support for the (bitmap) coding font I use. The beta crashed on it, didn't try with the RC, but I do know that WPF (which I don't really like to begin with) doesn't support bitmap fonts. Conclusion: Not really excited. Might even wait for the release after this one.
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Sure - it's cleaner when you have 2 options - 1 parm or 2. Now take a method that has 5 parms, and write overloads for all the combinations, when parm 2-5 are optional and not dependent on one another. Overloads get numerous, ugly, and a pain to maintain. Optional Parameter (with defaults) becomes much cleaner.
Doesn't the documentation of 4 optional parameters get to be an issue? The function can't possibly act identically with all possible variations. Sure it'll act similiar, but not identical. I'd think the people who use that function might want to know the differences in behaviors before they run their code. Now, if I were trying to win the obsfuscated C contest, or one of those lazy "the source is the documentation" OSS types, then yeah, I can see how it'd be a good thing.
patbob
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Filip C wrote:
"optional parameters" are not new to the '.NET framework', but are new for C#. VB.NET had that allready
Isn't it more clean to use
public void Func(object param1) {
func(param1, "test");
}public void Func(object param1, string param2) {
//process stuff
}This way you get multiple overloads in the Intelisense instead of
Func(param1[, param2])
In my opinion they brought it to ease the cominterop from c# to ms office. Unless i wont use optional parameters instead of method overloading in my code.
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I've never been less excited about a release of Visual Studio. Most of the programming I'm doing in 2008, has already become easy to the point of boredom. I guess I could start converting all my ASP.Net applications to SilverLight or MVC 2 just make things a little more difficult and less boring... Are you guys excited about any new feature in VS 2010? Is there any new technology in .net 4.0 that will make your job easier or will you be upgrading just because Microsoft makes money by selling new tools every couple years? I was midly excited about VS 2008. LINQ to XML has really made things a lot easier for me since I have been coding quite a bit of integration applications recently. I also think WCF is an improvement over traditional web services, even though I still can't figure out the bindings and configurations. I'm not sure anyone can...
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I care, and am excited! Specifically with regards to VS2010, the new features for debugging multi-threaded code look awesome. However, it will also be great to get the TFS 2010 improvements, and to be able to use .Net 4 (we currently use .Net 2 and my boss has resisted upgrading to 3/3.5 - but he thinks .Net 4 has enough useful stuff in it to go there when it is released). Even if there's not much else in VS itself, .Net 4 has a bunch of great stuff.