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  • M Michel Godfroid

    When answering questions, I find myself always referring to other OP's as 'he' or 'him'. Now if I see the person's full name (and it's a Western Name), that may be all right. However, lots of OP's use aliases, and to be honest, I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name. On the other hand, I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard. Would it be a good idea to add this information to the OP's profile, and maybe overlay the OP's icon with a little symbol that allows us to address people politely and correctly? (Chris, and think of the data mining possibilities: statistics on the battle of the sexes, who gets the most 5's, who writes the most crap articles? :-D )

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    Vikram A Punathambekar
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    Michel Godfroid wrote:

    I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name.

    Google image search. Could get you in trouble if the poster shares her name with a pr*n star (or is one herself, although I doubt we'll find too many pr*n stars posting on CP :laugh: ).

    Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)

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    • M Michel Godfroid

      When answering questions, I find myself always referring to other OP's as 'he' or 'him'. Now if I see the person's full name (and it's a Western Name), that may be all right. However, lots of OP's use aliases, and to be honest, I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name. On the other hand, I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard. Would it be a good idea to add this information to the OP's profile, and maybe overlay the OP's icon with a little symbol that allows us to address people politely and correctly? (Chris, and think of the data mining possibilities: statistics on the battle of the sexes, who gets the most 5's, who writes the most crap articles? :-D )

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      Mark_Wallace
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      If you don't know someone's gender, then "he" is the correct address, because it is (and always has been) gender neutral, as well as the masculine pronoun. PC alternatives sicken me. Language is for communication, not wheedling. I'm sure that the ladies amongst us are quite capable of letting you know you should use the feminine pronoun (if indeed they want a bunch of devs to know that they're girls).

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      • V Vikram A Punathambekar

        Michel Godfroid wrote:

        I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name.

        Google image search. Could get you in trouble if the poster shares her name with a pr*n star (or is one herself, although I doubt we'll find too many pr*n stars posting on CP :laugh: ).

        Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)

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        AspDotNetDev
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        You mean I've been wasting my time? :(( :mad: I'm going to expertsexchange.com!

        [Forum Guidelines]

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        • V Vikram A Punathambekar

          Michel Godfroid wrote:

          I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name.

          Google image search. Could get you in trouble if the poster shares her name with a pr*n star (or is one herself, although I doubt we'll find too many pr*n stars posting on CP :laugh: ).

          Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)

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          Michel Godfroid
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          Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

          Google image search.

          To be honest, in some cases, it makes it even more difficult to determine the gender. Now THAT would be embarrassing :-)

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            You mean I've been wasting my time? :(( :mad: I'm going to expertsexchange.com!

            [Forum Guidelines]

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            Dalek Dave
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            aspdotnetdev wrote:

            I'm going to expertsexchange.com!

            Too right, nothing worse than a amateur sexchange!

            ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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            • D Dalek Dave

              aspdotnetdev wrote:

              I'm going to expertsexchange.com!

              Too right, nothing worse than a amateur sexchange!

              ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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              AspDotNetDev
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              If I get one of those, I figure that opens up a world of possibilities for me here at Code Project. :rolleyes:

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              • M Mark_Wallace

                If you don't know someone's gender, then "he" is the correct address, because it is (and always has been) gender neutral, as well as the masculine pronoun. PC alternatives sicken me. Language is for communication, not wheedling. I'm sure that the ladies amongst us are quite capable of letting you know you should use the feminine pronoun (if indeed they want a bunch of devs to know that they're girls).

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                Dalek Dave
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                Girls? We got Girls? Real Girls? Real Girls with girly hair and skirts type girls? MMMMMMmmmmm!

                ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                • M Michel Godfroid

                  When answering questions, I find myself always referring to other OP's as 'he' or 'him'. Now if I see the person's full name (and it's a Western Name), that may be all right. However, lots of OP's use aliases, and to be honest, I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name. On the other hand, I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard. Would it be a good idea to add this information to the OP's profile, and maybe overlay the OP's icon with a little symbol that allows us to address people politely and correctly? (Chris, and think of the data mining possibilities: statistics on the battle of the sexes, who gets the most 5's, who writes the most crap articles? :-D )

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                  Super Lloyd
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                  How about addressing people as 'it'?!? ;P

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                  • M Michel Godfroid

                    When answering questions, I find myself always referring to other OP's as 'he' or 'him'. Now if I see the person's full name (and it's a Western Name), that may be all right. However, lots of OP's use aliases, and to be honest, I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name. On the other hand, I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard. Would it be a good idea to add this information to the OP's profile, and maybe overlay the OP's icon with a little symbol that allows us to address people politely and correctly? (Chris, and think of the data mining possibilities: statistics on the battle of the sexes, who gets the most 5's, who writes the most crap articles? :-D )

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                    CPallini
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                    Solving such 'sexism' problem is easy: let's remove all accounts of 'females' from CodeProject. :rolleyes:

                    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                    This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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                    In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                    • CPalliniC CPallini

                      Solving such 'sexism' problem is easy: let's remove all accounts of 'females' from CodeProject. :rolleyes:

                      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                      [My articles]

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                      Michel Godfroid
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                      CPallini wrote:

                      let's remove all accounts of 'females' from CodeProject

                      You'll have to find them before you shoot them... :laugh:

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                      • M Michel Godfroid

                        When answering questions, I find myself always referring to other OP's as 'he' or 'him'. Now if I see the person's full name (and it's a Western Name), that may be all right. However, lots of OP's use aliases, and to be honest, I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name. On the other hand, I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard. Would it be a good idea to add this information to the OP's profile, and maybe overlay the OP's icon with a little symbol that allows us to address people politely and correctly? (Chris, and think of the data mining possibilities: statistics on the battle of the sexes, who gets the most 5's, who writes the most crap articles? :-D )

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                        Lost User
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                        Unless you go to the bother of using gender neutral pronouns this would cause more trouble that it's worth. If someone is actually sexist it gets dealth with. Trust me. ;) Signed The Tigress :laugh:

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                        • M Michel Godfroid

                          CPallini wrote:

                          let's remove all accounts of 'females' from CodeProject

                          You'll have to find them before you shoot them... :laugh:

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                          CPallini
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                          When in doubt, shoot! :-D

                          If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                          This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                          [My articles]

                          In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                          • M Michel Godfroid

                            When answering questions, I find myself always referring to other OP's as 'he' or 'him'. Now if I see the person's full name (and it's a Western Name), that may be all right. However, lots of OP's use aliases, and to be honest, I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name. On the other hand, I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard. Would it be a good idea to add this information to the OP's profile, and maybe overlay the OP's icon with a little symbol that allows us to address people politely and correctly? (Chris, and think of the data mining possibilities: statistics on the battle of the sexes, who gets the most 5's, who writes the most crap articles? :-D )

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                            Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century,[1] is the belief or attitude that one gender or sex is inferior to, less competent, or less valuable than the other. Calling an anonymous poster "him" on this forum is, basically, good old statistics. I don't say "him" because I think a girl can't program, I say "him" because it's right significantly more often. Feel free to downvote me for my next statement: If she feels discriminated by having to point out my mistake to receive the correct attribution, it's not my problem. Get help, or at least learn to ask for it. If there are 5 girls on this world who won't enter CompSci because they have been called "he" on a forum two times in a row, get lost. You ego is in the way, not your gender.

                            Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
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                            • M Michel Godfroid

                              When answering questions, I find myself always referring to other OP's as 'he' or 'him'. Now if I see the person's full name (and it's a Western Name), that may be all right. However, lots of OP's use aliases, and to be honest, I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name. On the other hand, I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard. Would it be a good idea to add this information to the OP's profile, and maybe overlay the OP's icon with a little symbol that allows us to address people politely and correctly? (Chris, and think of the data mining possibilities: statistics on the battle of the sexes, who gets the most 5's, who writes the most crap articles? :-D )

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                              Amarnath S
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                              Use (s)he. Regarding his/her, I'm still thinking.

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                              • D Dalek Dave

                                aspdotnetdev wrote:

                                I'm going to expertsexchange.com!

                                Too right, nothing worse than a amateur sexchange!

                                ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                                KenBonny
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                                You mean the guy who wanted to be a Eunichs Developer? (Saw his sig and found it funny, can't remember who's sig that is though.)

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                                • D Dalek Dave

                                  Girls? We got Girls? Real Girls? Real Girls with girly hair and skirts type girls? MMMMMMmmmmm!

                                  ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                                  peterchen
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                                  Yes, with and guns and claws and compilers and all that other girly stuff. As you said, real girls.

                                  Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
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                                  • M Michel Godfroid

                                    When answering questions, I find myself always referring to other OP's as 'he' or 'him'. Now if I see the person's full name (and it's a Western Name), that may be all right. However, lots of OP's use aliases, and to be honest, I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name. On the other hand, I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard. Would it be a good idea to add this information to the OP's profile, and maybe overlay the OP's icon with a little symbol that allows us to address people politely and correctly? (Chris, and think of the data mining possibilities: statistics on the battle of the sexes, who gets the most 5's, who writes the most crap articles? :-D )

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                                    KenBonny
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                                    Put a disclaimer in your sig, something like: "Dear reader, since I do not know your gender and because I think it is irrelevant to our discussion. I will henceforth address everybody, male or female, with a male attribution to make my writing more enjoyable to read. I appologise for any inconvenience I may have caused you or your momma."

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                                    • M Michel Godfroid

                                      When answering questions, I find myself always referring to other OP's as 'he' or 'him'. Now if I see the person's full name (and it's a Western Name), that may be all right. However, lots of OP's use aliases, and to be honest, I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name. On the other hand, I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard. Would it be a good idea to add this information to the OP's profile, and maybe overlay the OP's icon with a little symbol that allows us to address people politely and correctly? (Chris, and think of the data mining possibilities: statistics on the battle of the sexes, who gets the most 5's, who writes the most crap articles? :-D )

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                                      Rage
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                                      Michel Godfroid wrote:

                                      to add this information to the OP's profile,

                                      Holding this piece of information in a database is illegal in France.

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                                      • D Dalek Dave

                                        Girls? We got Girls? Real Girls? Real Girls with girly hair and skirts type girls? MMMMMMmmmmm!

                                        ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                                        Steven J Jowett
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                                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                                        Girls? We got Girls? Real Girls?

                                        Only the one's that rightly believe that "Once you've had geek, you've reached your peak!!!"

                                        Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real programmers don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to read.

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                                        • M Michel Godfroid

                                          When answering questions, I find myself always referring to other OP's as 'he' or 'him'. Now if I see the person's full name (and it's a Western Name), that may be all right. However, lots of OP's use aliases, and to be honest, I'm at odds to determine a person's sex from his/her name when it's an African or Asian name. On the other hand, I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard. Would it be a good idea to add this information to the OP's profile, and maybe overlay the OP's icon with a little symbol that allows us to address people politely and correctly? (Chris, and think of the data mining possibilities: statistics on the battle of the sexes, who gets the most 5's, who writes the most crap articles? :-D )

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                                          Steven J Jowett
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                                          Michel Godfroid wrote:

                                          I don't want to write he/she or her/him all the time, as it cramps my style, and wears out the keyboard.

                                          Have you not realised that words 'He' and 'She' both contain H and E and that 'Him' and 'Her' are 3 characters in length. So I think you're mistaken about wearing out your keyboard. In fact refering to someone as 'He' and 'Him' would prolong the life of your keyboard. I love being a smart-arse :-D

                                          Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real programmers don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to read.

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