Women in IT [modified]
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Can you prove this fact? I've know many women that completely out work their male counterparts.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I'd have ripped his dick off and made him wear it as a tie for such misogynistic crap.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
she was quickly moved to running the help desk so that the work could be left to "the real men".
Now as you know I'm not one to cause trouble but... isn't this a perfect example of how emotional men are? I.e. crying is seen as emotional but violence and agression isn't?
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I have no problem acknowledging my emotional side. When my children put on a performance at school or in their dance school, I am the dad with the wobbly lip. When Newcastle were relegated, I was properly emotional (in fact, I was as emotional as a newt) - when they were promoted again, I was emotional again.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
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Can you prove this fact? I've know many women that completely out work their male counterparts.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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I have no problem acknowledging my emotional side. When my children put on a performance at school or in their dance school, I am the dad with the wobbly lip. When Newcastle were relegated, I was properly emotional (in fact, I was as emotional as a newt) - when they were promoted again, I was emotional again.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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My wife tends to 'take off' much more than i do, because of kids. So, judging from my statement right here, you might be on to something with your post ;P
Hence the phrase "All men are onanists or liars".
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Not as DD as a newt?
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Indeed - as emotional as a tadpole.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Truth is, I was told this fact by a financial planner a few years back and then heard through the grapevine about the studies Richard posted above.
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Hence the phrase "All men are onanists or liars".
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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'Tis often the way.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Can't speak to the salary issue, as I've never been on the management side, but dunno about the rest... I haven't worked with many female techies... I can recall two programmers (One talented, one waste of oxygen), and I think two or three in QA (Not sure of their skill level). Back in college (University, for you non-USians), I don't remember seeing more than three or four women in all of my Computer Science classes combined... At least when I went to college (Right around 2000), very few women were going to school to learn how to program, and the few I knew really weren't very skilled. Obviously this isn't definitive proof of anything, as quite a lot of good developers are self-educated. Honestly, I wish we had more (talented) female developers, and not for the reasons you think... Men and women tend to think about problems (And everything else) differently, so it would be good to get some new perspectives on things. While it's good to be on the "same wavelength" as your team members, it also usually means you're all attacking the problem from the same side, and possibly missing a much better solution.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Honestly, I wish we had more (talented) female developers, and not for the reasons you think... Men and women tend to think about problems (And everything else) differently, so it would be good to get some new perspectives on things. While it's good to be on the "same wavelength" as your team members, it also usually means you're all attacking the problem from the same side, and possibly missing a much better solution.
Definitely agreed. This could also be applied to a lot of other areas, including the reverse in more female-dominated areas. Unfortunately, it seems (from my limited experience) that the minority gender often has a harder time influencing things because it goes against the dominant way of thinking.
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Can't speak to the salary issue, as I've never been on the management side, but dunno about the rest... I haven't worked with many female techies... I can recall two programmers (One talented, one waste of oxygen), and I think two or three in QA (Not sure of their skill level). Back in college (University, for you non-USians), I don't remember seeing more than three or four women in all of my Computer Science classes combined... At least when I went to college (Right around 2000), very few women were going to school to learn how to program, and the few I knew really weren't very skilled. Obviously this isn't definitive proof of anything, as quite a lot of good developers are self-educated. Honestly, I wish we had more (talented) female developers, and not for the reasons you think... Men and women tend to think about problems (And everything else) differently, so it would be good to get some new perspectives on things. While it's good to be on the "same wavelength" as your team members, it also usually means you're all attacking the problem from the same side, and possibly missing a much better solution.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Honestly, I wish we had more (talented) female developers, and not for the reasons you think
I think Chris has hired most of them.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Honestly, I wish we had more (talented) female developers, and not for the reasons you think... Men and women tend to think about problems (And everything else) differently, so it would be good to get some new perspectives on things. While it's good to be on the "same wavelength" as your team members, it also usually means you're all attacking the problem from the same side, and possibly missing a much better solution.
Definitely agreed. This could also be applied to a lot of other areas, including the reverse in more female-dominated areas. Unfortunately, it seems (from my limited experience) that the minority gender often has a harder time influencing things because it goes against the dominant way of thinking.
J. Dunlap wrote:
the minority gender often has a harder time influencing things
That's funny, I'm a guy,and I've never seen that. :rolleyes: There are more women than men in the US. YYMV[^]if dating, check here[^] :-D On the other hand, this says China and India are very male heavy, and getting more so[^], since they control 1/3 world population,they skew the over all statistics the other way.
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Sadly there is a proportion of the of people who make themselves feel stronger by putting others down, it varies from industry to industry etc. I have seen it by race, gender, snobbery, inverse snobbery etc., even if you didn't go to the right Cambridge college and have the right tutor. Yes, that was the case at one place I went for an interview and I told the agency later I wasn't interested. There was another case where an agency rang up about a vacancy in Cambridge and made sure they told me that the people there "weren't the usual Cambridge type". :doh: By the way, the firm I mentioned where you were looked down on if you weren't one of the 'elite' closed. Mostly because they thought people should be greatful for whatever they did.
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You have hit that nail on the head. I remember reading somewhere that the fastest way to get ahead was to pull other people down. I know I am argumentative on here, but that is part of how I view soapbox, etc. The only thing to argue about at work is technical merit of an idea,and personal attacks shouldn't be anywhere in that.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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You have hit that nail on the head. I remember reading somewhere that the fastest way to get ahead was to pull other people down. I know I am argumentative on here, but that is part of how I view soapbox, etc. The only thing to argue about at work is technical merit of an idea,and personal attacks shouldn't be anywhere in that.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Captain Fantastic Incident level 4 - there is a wannabe alpha male at work and I manage the video streamers we use for playing back DVB recordings. There was a problem with one of the streamers and he 'knew' that one of the modulator cards was faulty and I 'had to' get the machine out the server room, strip it down etc. etc. and he 'knew' he was right. I power cycled the streamer and everything was fine, the driver for one card had glitched. Second incident in four years running about 70-80 modulators. Guess who was a grumpykins for the rest of that day. :laugh:
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Captain Fantastic Incident level 4 - there is a wannabe alpha male at work and I manage the video streamers we use for playing back DVB recordings. There was a problem with one of the streamers and he 'knew' that one of the modulator cards was faulty and I 'had to' get the machine out the server room, strip it down etc. etc. and he 'knew' he was right. I power cycled the streamer and everything was fine, the driver for one card had glitched. Second incident in four years running about 70-80 modulators. Guess who was a grumpykins for the rest of that day. :laugh:
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Trollslayer wrote:
Guess who was a grumpykins for the rest of that day.
You? Damn... I suck at these guessing games!! :laugh:
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Captain Fantastic Incident level 4 - there is a wannabe alpha male at work and I manage the video streamers we use for playing back DVB recordings. There was a problem with one of the streamers and he 'knew' that one of the modulator cards was faulty and I 'had to' get the machine out the server room, strip it down etc. etc. and he 'knew' he was right. I power cycled the streamer and everything was fine, the driver for one card had glitched. Second incident in four years running about 70-80 modulators. Guess who was a grumpykins for the rest of that day. :laugh:
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Being physically at work for many hours does not equate working for that many hours.
Watched code never compiles.
That is exactly what 'working' means if you work in an office. Productivity is the measure of how much work is being generated while 'at work'. I work from home, so I tally my work hours a little differently. If I sit at the screen staring for no apparent reason, I get up and do something else and I don't count those hours as 'working'. Those in an office environment usually don't have that luxury, so the mental downtime still counts as work.
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J. Dunlap wrote:
the minority gender often has a harder time influencing things
That's funny, I'm a guy,and I've never seen that. :rolleyes: There are more women than men in the US. YYMV[^]if dating, check here[^] :-D On the other hand, this says China and India are very male heavy, and getting more so[^], since they control 1/3 world population,they skew the over all statistics the other way.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
I have. The wife was a teacher and in Australia schools are very female dominated. At the schools my wife has been to, male teachers get denigrated and ignored on a regular basis. I hope its not the case everywhere, but since everyone else is talking in generalisations, I summarise it like this: People suck.
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Being physically at work for many hours does not equate working for that many hours.
Watched code never compiles.
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;) those damn people who think they know everything ... :rolleyes: I wish I had hardware that reliable!
Opacity, the new Transparency.