Back to C#.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
view states, postbacks
Come on - don't blame C# for everything.
Mladen Jankovic wrote:
don't blame C# for everything.
Yes - strictly speaking I should blame ASP.NET web forms for those, but the fact remains I never see them when programming with some other language (VB does not qualify as "other").
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I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.
Think of it this way - you can always tell the client it "will be fixed in Microsoft's next service pack".
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I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.
Convert it to ASP.NET MVC and half of those atrocities will disappear.
Todd Smith
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Actually blame the dipshit developers for forcing app development onto HTTP.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I never see them when programming with some other language (VB does not qualify as "other language").
FTFY!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
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Convert it to ASP.NET MVC and half of those atrocities will disappear.
Todd Smith
Jargons like that make me want to go to something simpler - like x86 assembly. :laugh:
There are some really weird people on this planet - MIM.
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Convert it to ASP.NET MVC and half of those atrocities will disappear.
Todd Smith
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Actually blame the dipshit developers for forcing app development onto HTTP.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Actually blame the dipshit developers for forcing app development onto HTTP.
I agree. However, the web forms model of trying to cover up the stateless nature of HTTP really does more harm than good.
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I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project.
They really seem to be playing musical chairs where you work. :)
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I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.
Going "back to C#" would be a bit like going "back to the future", eh? :-D
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
view states
It's good that ASP.Net automatically manages that for you, and allows you to customize it, eh?
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
postbacks
Or you could use AJAX. Or just JavaScript. Or Silverlight (using C# and, if necessary, web services). Or not develop for the web.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
properties
Which now have a short syntax, and which also allow you to modify a DLL to add functionality later (e.g., if you decide you want to grab a value from the web.config rather than a private constant member) without having to change the code that relies on it. A nifty feature, IMO.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
dispose patterns
Yeah, pointers and manual memory management were so much more "fun".
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
vim for editing code
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since.
I guess some people just like a challenge. You seem like just the type of person who would enjoy QuickBasic 4.5 with some inline machine code. That way, you get a crappy editor AND you can program for one of the hardest possible languages to use. ;)
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Going "back to C#" would be a bit like going "back to the future", eh? :-D
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
view states
It's good that ASP.Net automatically manages that for you, and allows you to customize it, eh?
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
postbacks
Or you could use AJAX. Or just JavaScript. Or Silverlight (using C# and, if necessary, web services). Or not develop for the web.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
properties
Which now have a short syntax, and which also allow you to modify a DLL to add functionality later (e.g., if you decide you want to grab a value from the web.config rather than a private constant member) without having to change the code that relies on it. A nifty feature, IMO.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
dispose patterns
Yeah, pointers and manual memory management were so much more "fun".
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
vim for editing code
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since.
I guess some people just like a challenge. You seem like just the type of person who would enjoy QuickBasic 4.5 with some inline machine code. That way, you get a crappy editor AND you can program for one of the hardest possible languages to use. ;)
aspdotnetdev wrote:
eh?
Meh. Btw - it was not me who downvoted your post.
modified on Wednesday, September 22, 2010 3:17 PM
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I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.
I'm happy with
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What's wrong with properties? I'm glad I don't have to do that silly verbose get/set thing anymore..
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If you use public member data (er, "fields") you don't have to do the get/set thing regardless...
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harold aptroot wrote:
silly verbose get/set thing anymore..
Properties are just a little less verbose but still silly get/set things that look like member fields even if they are really methods.
You are the first person I've ever seen don't liking Properties. They are syntactic sugar but they make the code concise and understandable. Yes they are methods, you know they are, they start with a capital letter, but what's the problem about that?
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I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.
Wait, what's your problem about dispose patterns?
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I definetely don't see why.
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Try Salesforce and APEX. It is java-like, with the most bugful studio I've ever seen and it heavily uses the view state. It's slow and its CHEAT SHEET of platform limitations (in terms of number of queries etc) is 9 pages long.
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I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
I ran away from C# and got back to real programming
I stopped reading after this. X| :thumbsdown:
I jumped at C# as a way to get shot of VB but some of it does make me for the shear simplicity of ANSI C which I still have to for Microcontrollers and some low level work on processor. The biggest pain I find is the lack of '&' for referencing type. For sheer speed I will still tryout something in VB and then rewrite it in C#. What are the main issues (other than it's not C++), why is it not real programming, just interested thats all! Glenn
