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  • N Nemanja Trifunovic

    Mladen Jankovic wrote:

    don't blame C# for everything.

    Yes - strictly speaking I should blame ASP.NET web forms for those, but the fact remains I never see them when programming with some other language (VB does not qualify as "other").

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    Jim Crafton
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    Actually blame the dipshit developers for forcing app development onto HTTP.

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    • N Nemanja Trifunovic

      Mladen Jankovic wrote:

      don't blame C# for everything.

      Yes - strictly speaking I should blame ASP.NET web forms for those, but the fact remains I never see them when programming with some other language (VB does not qualify as "other").

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      OriginalGriff
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      Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

      I never see them when programming with some other language (VB does not qualify as "other language").

      FTFY!

      Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.

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      • T Todd Smith

        Convert it to ASP.NET MVC and half of those atrocities will disappear.

        Todd Smith

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        Rajesh R Subramanian
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        Jargons like that make me want to go to something simpler - like x86 assembly. :laugh:

        There are some really weird people on this planet - MIM.

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        • T Todd Smith

          Convert it to ASP.NET MVC and half of those atrocities will disappear.

          Todd Smith

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          Nemanja Trifunovic
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          Todd Smith wrote:

          Convert it to ASP.NET MVC

          Not a very realistic option for such a big project, even if it was up to me to decide, which is not :)

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            Actually blame the dipshit developers for forcing app development onto HTTP.

            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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            Nemanja Trifunovic
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            Jim Crafton wrote:

            Actually blame the dipshit developers for forcing app development onto HTTP.

            I agree. However, the web forms model of trying to cover up the stateless nature of HTTP really does more harm than good.

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            • N Nemanja Trifunovic

              I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.

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              Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

              Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project.

              They really seem to be playing musical chairs where you work. :)

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              • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.

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                AspDotNetDev
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                Going "back to C#" would be a bit like going "back to the future", eh? :-D

                Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                view states

                It's good that ASP.Net automatically manages that for you, and allows you to customize it, eh?

                Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                postbacks

                Or you could use AJAX. Or just JavaScript. Or Silverlight (using C# and, if necessary, web services). Or not develop for the web.

                Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                properties

                Which now have a short syntax, and which also allow you to modify a DLL to add functionality later (e.g., if you decide you want to grab a value from the web.config rather than a private constant member) without having to change the code that relies on it. A nifty feature, IMO.

                Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                dispose patterns

                Yeah, pointers and manual memory management were so much more "fun".

                Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                vim for editing code

                Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since.

                I guess some people just like a challenge. You seem like just the type of person who would enjoy QuickBasic 4.5 with some inline machine code. That way, you get a crappy editor AND you can program for one of the hardest possible languages to use. ;)

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                • A AspDotNetDev

                  Going "back to C#" would be a bit like going "back to the future", eh? :-D

                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                  view states

                  It's good that ASP.Net automatically manages that for you, and allows you to customize it, eh?

                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                  postbacks

                  Or you could use AJAX. Or just JavaScript. Or Silverlight (using C# and, if necessary, web services). Or not develop for the web.

                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                  properties

                  Which now have a short syntax, and which also allow you to modify a DLL to add functionality later (e.g., if you decide you want to grab a value from the web.config rather than a private constant member) without having to change the code that relies on it. A nifty feature, IMO.

                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                  dispose patterns

                  Yeah, pointers and manual memory management were so much more "fun".

                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                  vim for editing code

                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                  I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since.

                  I guess some people just like a challenge. You seem like just the type of person who would enjoy QuickBasic 4.5 with some inline machine code. That way, you get a crappy editor AND you can program for one of the hardest possible languages to use. ;)

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                  Nemanja Trifunovic
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                  aspdotnetdev wrote:

                  eh?

                  Meh. Btw - it was not me who downvoted your post.

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                  • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                    I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.

                    utf8-cpp

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                    CPallini
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                    I'm happy with Lua and C at the moment. I've already the moon, so no regrets for the discarded OOP. :rolleyes:

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                    • L Lost User

                      What's wrong with properties? I'm glad I don't have to do that silly verbose get/set thing anymore..

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                      If you use public member data (er, "fields") you don't have to do the get/set thing regardless...

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                        If you use public member data (er, "fields") you don't have to do the get/set thing regardless...

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                        Lost User
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                        I don't know.. I thought that was against some Holy Design Rule? :)

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                        • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                          harold aptroot wrote:

                          silly verbose get/set thing anymore..

                          Properties are just a little less verbose but still silly get/set things that look like member fields even if they are really methods.

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                          tec goblin
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                          You are the first person I've ever seen don't liking Properties. They are syntactic sugar but they make the code concise and understandable. Yes they are methods, you know they are, they start with a capital letter, but what's the problem about that?

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                          • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                            I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.

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                            tec goblin
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                            Wait, what's your problem about dispose patterns?

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                            • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                              Todd Smith wrote:

                              Convert it to ASP.NET MVC

                              Not a very realistic option for such a big project, even if it was up to me to decide, which is not :)

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                              tec goblin
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                              I definetely don't see why.

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                              • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                Mladen Jankovic wrote:

                                don't blame C# for everything.

                                Yes - strictly speaking I should blame ASP.NET web forms for those, but the fact remains I never see them when programming with some other language (VB does not qualify as "other").

                                utf8-cpp

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                                tec goblin
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                                Try Salesforce and APEX. It is java-like, with the most bugful studio I've ever seen and it heavily uses the view state. It's slow and its CHEAT SHEET of platform limitations (in terms of number of queries etc) is 9 pages long.

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                                • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                  I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.

                                  utf8-cpp

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                                  Machaira
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                                  Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                                  I ran away from C# and got back to real programming

                                  I stopped reading after this. X| :thumbsdown:

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                                    Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                                    I ran away from C# and got back to real programming

                                    I stopped reading after this. X| :thumbsdown:

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                                    glennPattonWork3
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                                    I jumped at C# as a way to get shot of VB but some of it does make me for the shear simplicity of ANSI C which I still have to for Microcontrollers and some low level work on processor. The biggest pain I find is the lack of '&' for referencing type. For sheer speed I will still tryout something in VB and then rewrite it in C#. What are the main issues (other than it's not C++), why is it not real programming, just interested thats all! Glenn

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                                    • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                      I ran away from C# and got back to real programming some five years ago, and have been happy ever since. Today I found out I was assigned on a C# web project. Welcome back view states, postbacks, properties, dispose patterns and other "joys" I hoped I would never see again :) On the bright side, I can still use vim for editing code.

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                                      Michael Kingsford Gray
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                                      Wow! An actual Troglodyte!

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                                      • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                        Todd Smith wrote:

                                        Convert it to ASP.NET MVC

                                        Not a very realistic option for such a big project, even if it was up to me to decide, which is not :)

                                        utf8-cpp

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                                        Ed K
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                                        Why??

                                        ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.

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                                        • M Michael Kingsford Gray

                                          Wow! An actual Troglodyte!

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                                          glennPattonWork3
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                                          Wot Me?

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