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That's fine, I respect other peoples God's given right to be wrong. However, it is patently untrue to say that Islam believes in Christ or respects Him. How can I follow Christ and not respond to such a statement ? I still like you, but what you said is incorrect. That is the mark of an intelligent person IMO, we can disagree without making it personal. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: it is patently untrue to say that Islam believes in Christ or respects Him :) Let me say being a Muslim that Islam believes in Christ and respects him a lot :) Christian Graus wrote: I still like you Thank you so much :). i like you too :) Christian Graus wrote: IMO What is this IMO? :~ Christian Graus wrote: we can disagree without making it personal Yes, right. But without making it personal you see we can discuss like what our religious or belief says on this, but giving our personal perceptions/experiences about other's religions or belief systems, i think we must be pretty much sure while expressing it. So trust me :) Islam does respect and believe in Christ :). @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Christian Graus wrote: it is patently untrue to say that Islam believes in Christ or respects Him :) Let me say being a Muslim that Islam believes in Christ and respects him a lot :) Christian Graus wrote: I still like you Thank you so much :). i like you too :) Christian Graus wrote: IMO What is this IMO? :~ Christian Graus wrote: we can disagree without making it personal Yes, right. But without making it personal you see we can discuss like what our religious or belief says on this, but giving our personal perceptions/experiences about other's religions or belief systems, i think we must be pretty much sure while expressing it. So trust me :) Islam does respect and believe in Christ :). @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: Let me say being a Muslim that Islam believes in Christ and respects him a lot With respect, I have no doubt that the Jesus presented to you by Islam is a figure of respect for you, but he is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible, the only name by which man can be saved, the Son of God and the one true Saviour. Aisha Ikram wrote: What is this IMO? In my opinion. Aisha Ikram wrote: So trust me Islam does respect and believe in Christ I guess there is no point in arguing this point. As a follower of Islam, how often do you read the New Testament ? Do you believe that Jesus healed people ? That He rose from the dead ? That people are healed by Jesus today ? Actually, I'd love it if you answered this, I've asked a few Islamic folks to give me a better perspective of Islam and all have refused. I'm interested to know what Islam offers you as evidence of it's being true, and what you believe being a follower of Islam offers you in terms of benefits in this life, and the one to come ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Let me say being a Muslim that Islam believes in Christ and respects him a lot With respect, I have no doubt that the Jesus presented to you by Islam is a figure of respect for you, but he is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible, the only name by which man can be saved, the Son of God and the one true Saviour. Aisha Ikram wrote: What is this IMO? In my opinion. Aisha Ikram wrote: So trust me Islam does respect and believe in Christ I guess there is no point in arguing this point. As a follower of Islam, how often do you read the New Testament ? Do you believe that Jesus healed people ? That He rose from the dead ? That people are healed by Jesus today ? Actually, I'd love it if you answered this, I've asked a few Islamic folks to give me a better perspective of Islam and all have refused. I'm interested to know what Islam offers you as evidence of it's being true, and what you believe being a follower of Islam offers you in terms of benefits in this life, and the one to come ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Do you believe that Jesus healed people ? That He rose from the dead ? Yes we do believe it. Christian Graus wrote: Actually, I'd love it if you answered this, I've asked a few Islamic folks to give me a better perspective of Islam and all have refused. I'm interested to know what Islam offers you as evidence of it's being true, and what you believe being a follower of Islam offers you in terms of benefits in this life, and the one to come ? Well i would love to give you some perspective of Islam, but you see Christian, i think i am too young to argu on this topic, also i myself need some detailed studies to answer your questions. you see my father says, don't give your comments on something about which you are unsure. so there are certian things which i mentioned earlier i know they are correct, but there are other which i would like to study .... Definitely if you are interested we can talk about this ... i won't refuse at all.:) Ok tell me what do you believe about the existence of Christ. we say he is alive and still with God and one day he will come back to this world .... and all. you see Christian, this is not about Islam or Christianity, but you see i believe in God (Allah) as He exists. Ok tell me what you ppl say about MAGIC or BLACK MAGIC?? some of the people said here that how would prove the existence of God, i would like to ask them what they think of this magic thing? @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Let me say being a Muslim that Islam believes in Christ and respects him a lot With respect, I have no doubt that the Jesus presented to you by Islam is a figure of respect for you, but he is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible, the only name by which man can be saved, the Son of God and the one true Saviour. Aisha Ikram wrote: What is this IMO? In my opinion. Aisha Ikram wrote: So trust me Islam does respect and believe in Christ I guess there is no point in arguing this point. As a follower of Islam, how often do you read the New Testament ? Do you believe that Jesus healed people ? That He rose from the dead ? That people are healed by Jesus today ? Actually, I'd love it if you answered this, I've asked a few Islamic folks to give me a better perspective of Islam and all have refused. I'm interested to know what Islam offers you as evidence of it's being true, and what you believe being a follower of Islam offers you in terms of benefits in this life, and the one to come ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Ok can you give me some link to Bible, i would like to have a look at it. I never saw bible... but i would like to see it. @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Christian Graus wrote: Do you believe that Jesus healed people ? That He rose from the dead ? Yes we do believe it. Christian Graus wrote: Actually, I'd love it if you answered this, I've asked a few Islamic folks to give me a better perspective of Islam and all have refused. I'm interested to know what Islam offers you as evidence of it's being true, and what you believe being a follower of Islam offers you in terms of benefits in this life, and the one to come ? Well i would love to give you some perspective of Islam, but you see Christian, i think i am too young to argu on this topic, also i myself need some detailed studies to answer your questions. you see my father says, don't give your comments on something about which you are unsure. so there are certian things which i mentioned earlier i know they are correct, but there are other which i would like to study .... Definitely if you are interested we can talk about this ... i won't refuse at all.:) Ok tell me what do you believe about the existence of Christ. we say he is alive and still with God and one day he will come back to this world .... and all. you see Christian, this is not about Islam or Christianity, but you see i believe in God (Allah) as He exists. Ok tell me what you ppl say about MAGIC or BLACK MAGIC?? some of the people said here that how would prove the existence of God, i would like to ask them what they think of this magic thing? @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: , i think i am too young to argu on this topic So you're not currently a dedicated follower of Islam ? Aisha Ikram wrote: my father says, don't give your comments on something about which you are unsure He sounds like a wise man. :-) Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok tell me what do you believe about the existence of Christ. we say he is alive and still with God and one day he will come back to this world .... and all. But you deny that He was the Son of God ? I believe He is alive, and that the reason He rose again was to make *the* way to restoration of the relationship between God and man, that He went back to His Father in order to send the Holy Spirit, who indwells those who would accept Him, and that God shows His power to His people with signs and wonders today. Aisha Ikram wrote: you see Christian, this is not about Islam or Christianity, but you see i believe in God (Allah) as He exists. Not to be unkind, but the Bible says even the devils believe in God. Belief is of no value unless it is followed up in action, in doing what God would have us to do. Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok tell me what you ppl say about MAGIC or BLACK MAGIC?? I think it's a bunch of hooey, but to be honest, I'm happy enough with the power of God in my life to not care enough to look into it. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Ok can you give me some link to Bible, i would like to have a look at it. I never saw bible... but i would like to see it. @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
http://www.blueletterbible.org/[^] It allows you to search, you could search for Son and find stuff like Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him]. Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and [he] to whom the Son will reveal [him]. Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Just a handful of the many verses that say Jesus was the Son of God. You should start in the New Testament, with the four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. They tell the story of Jesus life. Acts tells the story of the start of the church and the spread of the Gospel. Everything past that is instruction to Christians, mostly written by Paul. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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We have the freedom to accept (believe) or reject them; it is our choice. (grin) It's not about accepting or not accepting. It's about knowing what to accept and not what to accept. I could equally say, "You have the choice to accept evolution or not". I've seen so many people mislead by so many false theories that I know it's about having a good reason to believe what you believe. Anything other than good evidence is just logical games we play with our own minds. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
I actually agree on what you said. These messengers showed various reasons to convince us to believe in their messages. They asked us to reflect on the things around us, such as the nature sorrounding us, our own bodies etc. In that sense, scientific findings are complementary to their messages.
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: I know that in your post you were criticing my position but I couldnt help using your own arguments against you. I hope you don't mind Not at all - I love debate :) Brian Azzopardi wrote: why do you percieve the existence of God. You surely cant be certain he/she/it exists? What proof do you have? Having grown up in an area of extreme natural beauty, it has always been easy for me to believe in God, just by looking around me. It also seems to me that humans wouldn't have the desire for a greater being if it were unnatural, and we were purely developed from evolution. Proof. I have only one memory of tangible proof that would satisfy your question. In high school I was in boarding school. Every Tuesday a local church would have members come round and we could miss evening study hall if we wanted and attend their teaching instead. While I did believe in God, I have to admit that getting out of study hall was a big motivator for all of us. One evening they prayed over this younger (14 year old, still growing) boy, that his one leg which was about 2 inches shorter than the other would grow to become the same length. Seems perfectly reasonable - he was still growing, why shouldn't it catch up over the next 4 to 5 years while he grows to adulthood? The only thing was, by the end of the prayer they were both the same length! I wish I had kept my eyes open. Otherwise it seems that proof is all around us, in every beautiful thing we see. Equally we can see evil every day, and don't have to look too far to find it. One thing I always find surprising is that people are more than happy to believe in the evil supernatural, but question the good. Asking me to prove something that we have both agreed is beyond our comprehension is ludicrous. Do I believe? Yes. And I always will. :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages A moment of silence please. A programmer's best friend has passed beyond that great exception in the sky.... - Mark Conger on "The coffee machine has died"
One evening they prayed over this younger (14 year old, still growing) boy, that his one leg which was about 2 inches shorter than the other would grow to become the same length. Seems perfectly reasonable - he was still growing, why shouldn't it catch up over the next 4 to 5 years while he grows to adulthood? The only thing was, by the end of the prayer they were both the same length! I wish I had kept my eyes open. I grew up in a church that did these "faith healings". Miracles tended not to last and I began to think that people were whipping themselves up into suppressing pain and, therefore, believe in miracles. (Because if the pain was gone, the "healed" person believed they were healed and the people around the "healed" believed healing had taken place). I've heard about the leg-stretching thing before. I think it's easy to fake it by pushing and pulling on one or another leg. I think sometimes faith healers actually believe in the miracles they "perform", getting caught up in their desire to believe and other people's belief. Other times, they have simply out-and-out lied. Not always for bad reasons, but because they feel that their belief is "right" and if it takes a fake miracle here and there to get people to believe what is right, then so be it. (Look up the former evangelist Mike Warnke, who flat out made up stories.) ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: Scientists have managed to artificially create "life"; i.e. they got a bunch of chemicals to exhibit certain properties which collectively are called "life". I don't believe that. Could you cite the study? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
How about this? First synthetic virus created[^] It is, of course, debatable whether a virus is "life". Nevertheless, this virus synthesis occured by taking nucleotides and assembling them into the same pattern as the known DNA sequence as polio. And - viola - they have the polio virus which is capable of self-replication (but only with the help of a host). ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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Aisha Ikram wrote: you see science says, livings things are created from living things and life is not possible out of life-less entities. for example, i you have ever studied biology, it was proved that a non-living cell can't create a living cell, only a living cell can produce another living cell Where was this proven and by whom ? Perhaps science was not one of you better subjects or you have a religious bias toward certain aspects of it. I fully expect that "life" will be created by man in the next decade in the laboratory. That ought to put a dimple in the religious chin for sure. Richard When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to better world, I am moved to lead a different life. Mark Twain- Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
How about this? First synthetic virus created[^] In this case, scientists started with simple nucleotides (I don't think anyone would argue that they are alive) and assembled them into the same pattern as the known DNA sequence as polio and they produced a polio virus which is capable of infecting and reproducing. Of course, it is debatable whether viruses are alive. They have no capacity to replicate themselves except through hijacking of a host's cells. ------------------------------------------ "Isn't it funny how people say they'll never grow up to be their parents, then one day they look in the mirror and they're moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf region?" - The Onion
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Aisha Ikram wrote: , i think i am too young to argu on this topic So you're not currently a dedicated follower of Islam ? Aisha Ikram wrote: my father says, don't give your comments on something about which you are unsure He sounds like a wise man. :-) Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok tell me what do you believe about the existence of Christ. we say he is alive and still with God and one day he will come back to this world .... and all. But you deny that He was the Son of God ? I believe He is alive, and that the reason He rose again was to make *the* way to restoration of the relationship between God and man, that He went back to His Father in order to send the Holy Spirit, who indwells those who would accept Him, and that God shows His power to His people with signs and wonders today. Aisha Ikram wrote: you see Christian, this is not about Islam or Christianity, but you see i believe in God (Allah) as He exists. Not to be unkind, but the Bible says even the devils believe in God. Belief is of no value unless it is followed up in action, in doing what God would have us to do. Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok tell me what you ppl say about MAGIC or BLACK MAGIC?? I think it's a bunch of hooey, but to be honest, I'm happy enough with the power of God in my life to not care enough to look into it. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Sorry i was away on EID leaves, so now back to code project :) Christian Graus wrote: So you're not currently a dedicated follower of Islam ? Oh no, Well I am a true Muslim but again the same reason "my father says, don't give your comments on something about which you are unsure" Christian Graus wrote: He sounds like a wise man. Yes he is :) Christian Graus wrote: But you deny that He was the Son of God ? Yeh Christian Graus wrote: Not to be unkind, but the Bible says even the devils believe in God. :-D yes .....but ............. i am not a devil :( :(( Christian Graus wrote: Belief is of no value unless it is followed up in action, in doing what God would have us to do. I agree :) Christian Graus wrote: I'm happy enough with the power of God in my life to not care enough to look into it. Yes same here but you see, magic does exist and what it does nobody can see or believe and it's true that God's power is much much more than that (in fact i must say, it has no comparison), but i just wanted to say that these evil powers exist as well, which man don't see and don't believe either and similarly there are many other things that we can't see but they exist. So the point is it does NOT mean Only those things exist which are visible to human, there are numerous things we haven't found as yet. So why people say that we should prove the existence of God, but again.... i am not suppose to tell this to you as you already believe in God. :) @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Sorry i was away on EID leaves, so now back to code project :) Christian Graus wrote: So you're not currently a dedicated follower of Islam ? Oh no, Well I am a true Muslim but again the same reason "my father says, don't give your comments on something about which you are unsure" Christian Graus wrote: He sounds like a wise man. Yes he is :) Christian Graus wrote: But you deny that He was the Son of God ? Yeh Christian Graus wrote: Not to be unkind, but the Bible says even the devils believe in God. :-D yes .....but ............. i am not a devil :( :(( Christian Graus wrote: Belief is of no value unless it is followed up in action, in doing what God would have us to do. I agree :) Christian Graus wrote: I'm happy enough with the power of God in my life to not care enough to look into it. Yes same here but you see, magic does exist and what it does nobody can see or believe and it's true that God's power is much much more than that (in fact i must say, it has no comparison), but i just wanted to say that these evil powers exist as well, which man don't see and don't believe either and similarly there are many other things that we can't see but they exist. So the point is it does NOT mean Only those things exist which are visible to human, there are numerous things we haven't found as yet. So why people say that we should prove the existence of God, but again.... i am not suppose to tell this to you as you already believe in God. :) @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: Well I am a true Muslim but again the same reason "my father says, don't give your comments on something about which you are unsure" I'm confused - how can you be a 'true Muslim', but unsure as to what that means ? Aisha Ikram wrote: yes .....but ............. i am not a devil I apologise, that is not what I am saying. What the Bible is saying is that believing doesn't really mean anything. The quote is from James, and the context is that faith without works is dead, believing in Jesus is no great achievement, what matters is what you do about it. Aisha Ikram wrote: magic does exist I am yet to see evidence. I am aware of a number of 'tricks' and the reason they appear to work, but it is always based in science, not the 'black arts'. But either way, it does not matter to me, I'm a child of God. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Well I am a true Muslim but again the same reason "my father says, don't give your comments on something about which you are unsure" I'm confused - how can you be a 'true Muslim', but unsure as to what that means ? Aisha Ikram wrote: yes .....but ............. i am not a devil I apologise, that is not what I am saying. What the Bible is saying is that believing doesn't really mean anything. The quote is from James, and the context is that faith without works is dead, believing in Jesus is no great achievement, what matters is what you do about it. Aisha Ikram wrote: magic does exist I am yet to see evidence. I am aware of a number of 'tricks' and the reason they appear to work, but it is always based in science, not the 'black arts'. But either way, it does not matter to me, I'm a child of God. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I'm confused - how can you be a 'true Muslim', but unsure as to what that means ? well.... i think there have been a confusion... well i was unsure about the exact answers to some of your questions and NOT about my being a Muslim :) or what does it means. let me paste it again. Christian Graus wrote: As a follower of Islam, how often do you read the New Testament ? Do you believe that Jesus healed people ? That He rose from the dead ? That people are healed by Jesus today ? Actually, I'd love it if you answered this Well my reply was.... Yes we do believe that Jesus healed people and that he rose from the dead. About "today"....well he is alive, but we believe he is with God and about details i am not sure. But you see we say that it's the God who does all that, heals and rise from dead. Christian Graus wrote: The quote is from James James??? Christian Graus wrote: it is always based in science I don't think so, i believe science is one of the studies, but it doesn't cover the whole universe, there are other studies too. And black magic is another type of study which is evil, but it's never based on science or logic. I don't know but in India, many people know it. Christian Graus wrote: it does not matter to me, well it doesn't matter to me as well but you see thing is there are so many other things in this universe that human mind has not reached as yet and there are so many others which we can never ever reach .... @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Christian Graus wrote: I'm confused - how can you be a 'true Muslim', but unsure as to what that means ? well.... i think there have been a confusion... well i was unsure about the exact answers to some of your questions and NOT about my being a Muslim :) or what does it means. let me paste it again. Christian Graus wrote: As a follower of Islam, how often do you read the New Testament ? Do you believe that Jesus healed people ? That He rose from the dead ? That people are healed by Jesus today ? Actually, I'd love it if you answered this Well my reply was.... Yes we do believe that Jesus healed people and that he rose from the dead. About "today"....well he is alive, but we believe he is with God and about details i am not sure. But you see we say that it's the God who does all that, heals and rise from dead. Christian Graus wrote: The quote is from James James??? Christian Graus wrote: it is always based in science I don't think so, i believe science is one of the studies, but it doesn't cover the whole universe, there are other studies too. And black magic is another type of study which is evil, but it's never based on science or logic. I don't know but in India, many people know it. Christian Graus wrote: it does not matter to me, well it doesn't matter to me as well but you see thing is there are so many other things in this universe that human mind has not reached as yet and there are so many others which we can never ever reach .... @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: James??? This is kinda where I am confused. James is a book of the New Testament. How can your religion believe in Jesus but hide the accounts of His life from you ? Aisha Ikram wrote: believe science is one of the studies, but it doesn't cover the whole universe, there are other studies too. What I mean is that when a man, for example, makes himself appear dead and then come back to life, there is a scientific reason to be found in the 'magic' potion that he drinks. But it's not really important, as such things cannot affect me either way. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Aisha Ikram wrote: James??? This is kinda where I am confused. James is a book of the New Testament. How can your religion believe in Jesus but hide the accounts of His life from you ? Aisha Ikram wrote: believe science is one of the studies, but it doesn't cover the whole universe, there are other studies too. What I mean is that when a man, for example, makes himself appear dead and then come back to life, there is a scientific reason to be found in the 'magic' potion that he drinks. But it's not really important, as such things cannot affect me either way. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: James is a book of the New Testament Well what is this testament thing ??? Christian Graus wrote: How can your religion believe in Jesus but hide the accounts of His life from you ? His life is not hidden at all... i mean since his birth till his going back to God. But after that what happened, we don't know. All we know is that he will come back one day and tell the world about the truth. @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Christian Graus wrote: James is a book of the New Testament Well what is this testament thing ??? Christian Graus wrote: How can your religion believe in Jesus but hide the accounts of His life from you ? His life is not hidden at all... i mean since his birth till his going back to God. But after that what happened, we don't know. All we know is that he will come back one day and tell the world about the truth. @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: Well what is this testament thing ??? The Bible is in two parts, the Old Testament, which is the story of the prophets who foretold Jesus coming, and the story of the nation Israel, and the New Testament, which is the life of Jesus, His death and resurrection and the story of the early church. It also contains letters written to the early church, such as that written by James. Aisha Ikram wrote: His life is not hidden at all... How is it revealed to you when you are not even made aware of the nature of the book which records His life ? Aisha Ikram wrote: All we know is that he will come back one day and tell the world about the truth. No, He did that. He is coming back to take up the throne of David and to rule over the world, along with those who followed Him. I'm really interested now. You obviously have been told nothing of Jesus from the Bible, so what is your source of information ? Does the Quran mention Him ? How long after Jesus' death was it written ? Why is it that you believe in Jesus but do not read the Bible ? Do you believe the Bible to be true ? If so, why do you not have any knowledge of it, and if not, how can you believe in Jesus ? Sorry for the flood of questions, this is really interesting to me. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Well what is this testament thing ??? The Bible is in two parts, the Old Testament, which is the story of the prophets who foretold Jesus coming, and the story of the nation Israel, and the New Testament, which is the life of Jesus, His death and resurrection and the story of the early church. It also contains letters written to the early church, such as that written by James. Aisha Ikram wrote: His life is not hidden at all... How is it revealed to you when you are not even made aware of the nature of the book which records His life ? Aisha Ikram wrote: All we know is that he will come back one day and tell the world about the truth. No, He did that. He is coming back to take up the throne of David and to rule over the world, along with those who followed Him. I'm really interested now. You obviously have been told nothing of Jesus from the Bible, so what is your source of information ? Does the Quran mention Him ? How long after Jesus' death was it written ? Why is it that you believe in Jesus but do not read the Bible ? Do you believe the Bible to be true ? If so, why do you not have any knowledge of it, and if not, how can you believe in Jesus ? Sorry for the flood of questions, this is really interesting to me. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
Christian Graus wrote: How is it revealed to you when you are not even made aware of the nature of the book which records His life ? Well It's "Quran" which tells us all ... about all prophets and books including Christ and Bible. Plus the sayings of our Holy Prophet "Muhammad" (Peace be upon him) are a great source of information for us. Christian Graus wrote: I'm really interested now. :-) Christian Graus wrote: You obviously have been told nothing of Jesus from the Bible, so what is your source of information ? Does the Quran mention Him ? yes, Quran mentions about everything. Christian Graus wrote: How long after Jesus' death was it written ? "Jesus' death" !!! Well after 500 years Christian Graus wrote: Why is it that you believe in Jesus but do not read the Bible ? Do you believe the Bible to be true ? If so, why do you not have any knowledge of it, and if not, how can you believe in Jesus ? As we have Quran to read, which mentions everything, about all prophets and all books .... from Adam to Muhammad (PBUH). Do you read other books??? Bible is a book of God. Again the answer to all other questions is "Quran". Christian Graus wrote: Sorry for the flood of questions, this is really interesting to me. :) well it's ok. this is interesting for me as well and i really like talking with you. But the problem is "time"... ok well you never told me what you do and all. tell me a little about yourself :-). @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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Christian Graus wrote: How is it revealed to you when you are not even made aware of the nature of the book which records His life ? Well It's "Quran" which tells us all ... about all prophets and books including Christ and Bible. Plus the sayings of our Holy Prophet "Muhammad" (Peace be upon him) are a great source of information for us. Christian Graus wrote: I'm really interested now. :-) Christian Graus wrote: You obviously have been told nothing of Jesus from the Bible, so what is your source of information ? Does the Quran mention Him ? yes, Quran mentions about everything. Christian Graus wrote: How long after Jesus' death was it written ? "Jesus' death" !!! Well after 500 years Christian Graus wrote: Why is it that you believe in Jesus but do not read the Bible ? Do you believe the Bible to be true ? If so, why do you not have any knowledge of it, and if not, how can you believe in Jesus ? As we have Quran to read, which mentions everything, about all prophets and all books .... from Adam to Muhammad (PBUH). Do you read other books??? Bible is a book of God. Again the answer to all other questions is "Quran". Christian Graus wrote: Sorry for the flood of questions, this is really interesting to me. :) well it's ok. this is interesting for me as well and i really like talking with you. But the problem is "time"... ok well you never told me what you do and all. tell me a little about yourself :-). @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: Well It's "Quran" which tells us all ... about all prophets and books including Christ and Bible. Plus the sayings of our Holy Prophet "Muhammad" (Peace be upon him) are a great source of information for us. Yes, but the question is, if you believe in Jesus, why do you believe contempary accounts are of no value ? Was the point of Jesus coming only realised 500 years later ? Aisha Ikram wrote: As we have Quran to read, which mentions everything, about all prophets and all books Does it mention Pentecost ? Speaking in tongues ? Healing ? Operation of voice gifts in the church of God ( tongues, interpretation and prophecy ) ? Does it mention the Revelation that Jesus gave John of history from that time until the last days ? The return of Jesus to rule on earth ? Aisha Ikram wrote: Do you read other books??? No, I am a Christian. Jesus came to fulfill the Law and Prophets. It's more appropriate to note that I read the Old Testament as well as the New. None of the things that existed when Jesus came, which He claimed as a foundation, are hidden from me. Aisha Ikram wrote: ok well you never told me what you do and all. tell me a little about yourself I'm a full time programmer, mostly in .NET nowadays, as well as a full time father of two children. I am 33, and I live in Australia. I also play guitar :-) How about you ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Well It's "Quran" which tells us all ... about all prophets and books including Christ and Bible. Plus the sayings of our Holy Prophet "Muhammad" (Peace be upon him) are a great source of information for us. Yes, but the question is, if you believe in Jesus, why do you believe contempary accounts are of no value ? Was the point of Jesus coming only realised 500 years later ? Aisha Ikram wrote: As we have Quran to read, which mentions everything, about all prophets and all books Does it mention Pentecost ? Speaking in tongues ? Healing ? Operation of voice gifts in the church of God ( tongues, interpretation and prophecy ) ? Does it mention the Revelation that Jesus gave John of history from that time until the last days ? The return of Jesus to rule on earth ? Aisha Ikram wrote: Do you read other books??? No, I am a Christian. Jesus came to fulfill the Law and Prophets. It's more appropriate to note that I read the Old Testament as well as the New. None of the things that existed when Jesus came, which He claimed as a foundation, are hidden from me. Aisha Ikram wrote: ok well you never told me what you do and all. tell me a little about yourself I'm a full time programmer, mostly in .NET nowadays, as well as a full time father of two children. I am 33, and I live in Australia. I also play guitar :-) How about you ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002
About your other questions i will reply you tomorrow as i am going home now :-). Christian Graus wrote: No, I am a Christian. Jesus came to fulfill the Law and Prophets. It's more appropriate to note that I read the Old Testament as well as the New. None of the things that existed when Jesus came, which He claimed as a foundation, are hidden from me. So you have a thorough study of your religion!! good :-) Christian Graus wrote: How about you ? Well I'm a full time programmer too, these days working on VC++ 6 (MFC) but learning and .NET and C# on my own, love writing and that's why try to write for code project. In this way i also learn so many things. Just like you i am a full time daughter of my parents :), age 23 (10 years younger than you ;)), live in Islamabad, Pakistan. Love music, painting, psycology and travelling but got very few chances to visit places outside pakistan. In dec 2000, i was interviewed in Dubai by Microsoft, and it was a very good experience of my life. Have so many future plans ...like studying ....working with people from all over the world with different experiences and thoughts :). And there is so much to tell but..... got to go home :). anyways you can have a look at my "not very good" website at http://aisha.hostmb.com and sign my guest book.:-O May i know your astro sign?? :suss: mine is Cancer :cool: @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
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About your other questions i will reply you tomorrow as i am going home now :-). Christian Graus wrote: No, I am a Christian. Jesus came to fulfill the Law and Prophets. It's more appropriate to note that I read the Old Testament as well as the New. None of the things that existed when Jesus came, which He claimed as a foundation, are hidden from me. So you have a thorough study of your religion!! good :-) Christian Graus wrote: How about you ? Well I'm a full time programmer too, these days working on VC++ 6 (MFC) but learning and .NET and C# on my own, love writing and that's why try to write for code project. In this way i also learn so many things. Just like you i am a full time daughter of my parents :), age 23 (10 years younger than you ;)), live in Islamabad, Pakistan. Love music, painting, psycology and travelling but got very few chances to visit places outside pakistan. In dec 2000, i was interviewed in Dubai by Microsoft, and it was a very good experience of my life. Have so many future plans ...like studying ....working with people from all over the world with different experiences and thoughts :). And there is so much to tell but..... got to go home :). anyways you can have a look at my "not very good" website at http://aisha.hostmb.com and sign my guest book.:-O May i know your astro sign?? :suss: mine is Cancer :cool: @ish@ What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: About your other questions i will reply you tomorrow as i am going home now Fair enough.... Aisha Ikram wrote: So you have a thorough study of your religion!! good Yes, I do, but I think it's more important that I have *experienced* my religion. I dunno if I already asked this, but what does Islam do for you ? How does your God interact with you in your everyday life ? Aisha Ikram wrote: but learning and .NET and C# on my own, It's cool stuff. I am lucky enough that having taught myself at first, I am finally using ASP.NET and C# in my work hours. Aisha Ikram wrote: (10 years younger than you ), Thanks for the reminder. I did a resume last night for a 16 year old girl and I got most depressed when I saw when she was born. I remember 1986 quite clearly. Aisha Ikram wrote: May i know your astro sign?? I must admit that while I don't believe in that stuff at all, I am a pretty typical Aquarius. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 C# will attract all comers, where VB is for IT Journalists and managers - Michael P Butler 05-12-2002 Again, you can screw up a C/C++ program just as easily as a VB program. OK, maybe not as easily, but it's certainly doable. - Jamie Nordmeyer - 15-Nov-2002