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  • L Lutoslaw

    It's a historical thing. In BASIC only arrays could be explicitely declared, with a specified Dimension. Now every kind of variable can be declared but the Dim keyword remained.

    Greetings - Jacek

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    Sander Rossel
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    Dimension almost makes it sound kind of cool... :^) Wikipedia quote: In computer programming, BASIC (an acronym which stands for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code) is a family of high-level programming languages designed to be easy to use. Never knew that's what it stood for either! :laugh: BASIC was used before I was even born though... Well, it is probably still used somewhere, but you know what I mean. Ouch, I guess I really lack some historical background knowledge for a VB programmer. Perhaps I should start learning FORTRAN and Lisp and get some historical programmer sense too :)

    It's an OO world.

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      French, then you can write WTF as@ c'est quoi cette connerie?

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      What about Sean Connery?

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      • C Chris Meech

        That's proof of bacon being portable. :)

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        Oakman
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        Chris Meech wrote:

        That's proof of bacon being portable

        So is my belly

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        • G Gregory Gadow

          Naerling wrote:

          Actually, everything in VB should start with Dim.
          Never understood what it means...

          It's from the misty days of "Once upon a time" when all variables were arrays. The original keyword was dimension, which later flavors shortened to dim (the old comment indicator, rem, is similarly derived from the keywork remark.) A statement such as

          DIM v

          was just an abbreviated version of

          DIMENSION v(0)

          Crimeny, what are they teaching you young whippersnappers in school these days? :rolleyes:

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          Luc Pattyn
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          I especially liked LET. Assignment statements once had to start with it:

          LET A = 1
          LET B = 2
          LET C = A + B

          Code sounded much nicer back then. :)

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            I especially liked LET. Assignment statements once had to start with it:

            LET A = 1
            LET B = 2
            LET C = A + B

            Code sounded much nicer back then. :)

            Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

            The quality and detail of your question reflects on the effectiveness of the help you are likely to get.
            Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they improve readability.
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            Gregory Gadow
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            Luc Pattyn wrote:

            Code sounded much nicer back then.

            Ah, yes. I recall those halcyon days when programming involved requests rather than commands. :-D

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            • L Lutoslaw

              If you knew BeFunge then you wouldn't say that. There is no BACON which would beat it.

              Greetings - Jacek

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              Lost User
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              I dare you to fight between the two languages. BACON would win without doing anything.

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              • L Luc Pattyn

                I especially liked LET. Assignment statements once had to start with it:

                LET A = 1
                LET B = 2
                LET C = A + B

                Code sounded much nicer back then. :)

                Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

                The quality and detail of your question reflects on the effectiveness of the help you are likely to get.
                Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they improve readability.
                CP Vanity has been updated to V2.4

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                Lutoslaw
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                LET was supported in VB 6.0, wasn't it[^]? In VB .NET it is still a keyword but isn't used anymore :doh: .

                Greetings - Jacek

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  Dimension almost makes it sound kind of cool... :^) Wikipedia quote: In computer programming, BASIC (an acronym which stands for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code) is a family of high-level programming languages designed to be easy to use. Never knew that's what it stood for either! :laugh: BASIC was used before I was even born though... Well, it is probably still used somewhere, but you know what I mean. Ouch, I guess I really lack some historical background knowledge for a VB programmer. Perhaps I should start learning FORTRAN and Lisp and get some historical programmer sense too :)

                  It's an OO world.

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                  Lutoslaw
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                  Naerling wrote:

                  Well, it is probably still used somewhere

                  Some programmable calculators may support BASIC, but [citation needed].

                  Greetings - Jacek

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                  • L Lost User

                    I dare you to fight between the two languages. BACON would win without doing anything.

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                    Lutoslaw
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                    The following BeFunge code generates the first 100 digits of PI:

                    aa* v +------------------------+
                    vp*9920p*9930< | Pi generator in Bef-97 |

                    :09a*pa*3/1+19a*p09a*g:09b*v | |
                    v_@# g*b90 p*b910 < p< | 7/2/1997, Kevin Vigor |
                    19a*g:+1-29b*p19a*g::09v +------------------------+
                    v*a90g*b90*g*b91: _v#p*9<
                    g-#v_ 2a*+\$ v :$
                    \1-aa*ga*+v p
                    v1:/g*b92p*991:< *
                    9b*p29b*g*199*g\v9
                    v*b92p*aa-1g*990-<9
                    g2-29b*p099*g1-:0^
                    v -9p*b92:%ag*991 <
                    #v_ 299*g1+299*p> ^
                    09b*g:#v_$v
                    v93p*b90-1<
                    9*g199*ga/+.v
                    v:g*992 <p*9 92-<
                    v_29b*g399*p ^
                    09b*g:#v_v 1
                    vp*b90-1 < $ g
                    199*g9`#v_'9,v *
                    '0, >' ,299^

                    Huh?!

                    Greetings - Jacek

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                    • S Slacker007

                      Reminds me of the Camel cigarette commercials. "I'd walk a mile for a strip of crispy bacon."

                      -- ** Jack of all trades and master of none.

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                      Henry Minute
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                      I've never tried Camel BACON. What's it like? (Apart from crispy, that is.)

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                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                        Dimension almost makes it sound kind of cool... :^) Wikipedia quote: In computer programming, BASIC (an acronym which stands for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code) is a family of high-level programming languages designed to be easy to use. Never knew that's what it stood for either! :laugh: BASIC was used before I was even born though... Well, it is probably still used somewhere, but you know what I mean. Ouch, I guess I really lack some historical background knowledge for a VB programmer. Perhaps I should start learning FORTRAN and Lisp and get some historical programmer sense too :)

                        It's an OO world.

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                        Oakman
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                        Naerling wrote:

                        Well, it is probably still used somewhere, but you know what I mean.

                        http://www.truebasic.com/[^]

                        The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.

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                        • L Lutoslaw

                          LET was supported in VB 6.0, wasn't it[^]? In VB .NET it is still a keyword but isn't used anymore :doh: .

                          Greetings - Jacek

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                          Oakman
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                          Jacek Gajek wrote:

                          LET was supported in VB 6.0, wasn't it

                          BASIC was designed to mimic assembler. Therefore, every command started with an Op-code. LET, SET and LSET were all used to declare a variable's value.

                          The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.

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                          • O Oakman

                            Jacek Gajek wrote:

                            LET was supported in VB 6.0, wasn't it

                            BASIC was designed to mimic assembler. Therefore, every command started with an Op-code. LET, SET and LSET were all used to declare a variable's value.

                            The 3-legged stool of understanding is held up by history, languages, and mathematics. Equipped with these three you can learn anything you want to learn. But if you lack any one of them you are just another ignorant peasant with dung on your boots. R. A. H.

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                            Lutoslaw
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                            But neither VB 6.0 nor VB .NET weren't designed to mimic assembler. (I think so) Anyway, MSDN says (VB6):

                            MSDN wrote:

                            [Let Statement Let --- Optional. Explicit use of the Let keyword is a matter of style, but it is usually omitted.

                            Greetings - Jacek

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                            • L Luc Pattyn

                              I especially liked LET. Assignment statements once had to start with it:

                              LET A = 1
                              LET B = 2
                              LET C = A + B

                              Code sounded much nicer back then. :)

                              Luc Pattyn [My Articles] Nil Volentibus Arduum

                              The quality and detail of your question reflects on the effectiveness of the help you are likely to get.
                              Please use <PRE> tags for code snippets, they improve readability.
                              CP Vanity has been updated to V2.4

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                              Sander Rossel
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                              If you like the let keyword you should check out F#. Everything is declared let there. As a bonus(?) it is even less verbose than C# :D

                              It's an OO world.

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                              • G Gregory Gadow

                                I'm rather fond of LolCode

                                HAI
                                CAN HAS STDIO?

                                I HAS A MOOD

                                IF (MICROSOFT AN WINDOWSMETRO) IZ HTML5_JS_ONLY
                                HAI
                                MOOD ITZ 'WTF'
                                BYE

                                KTHXBYE

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                                Alexander DiMauro
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                                LolCode really made me Lol! :laugh: So, basically, we would sit at our desks laughing all day. I like it! :thumbsup:

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                                  If Microsoft & WindowsMetro = HTML5_JS_ONLY Then Mood = WTF. End If. I do NOT WANT HTML5 and JS! Also, I'm considering cross-platform. So... Java? C++? Python? Bacon?

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                                  adf999
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                                  Very hard to beat Brainfuck. :-D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck[^]

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                                  • L Lutoslaw

                                    But neither VB 6.0 nor VB .NET weren't designed to mimic assembler. (I think so) Anyway, MSDN says (VB6):

                                    MSDN wrote:

                                    [Let Statement Let --- Optional. Explicit use of the Let keyword is a matter of style, but it is usually omitted.

                                    Greetings - Jacek

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                                    Gregory Gadow
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                                    BASIC has been around since 1964. In those days, language interpreters were pretty rigid: computers simply did not have the processing power or memory to be very flexible. It was not until much later that LET became optional; it was retained for backwards compatibility and because some programmers liked to use it to help document an assignment rather than a comparison.

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                                    • L Lutoslaw

                                      The following BeFunge code generates the first 100 digits of PI:

                                      aa* v +------------------------+
                                      vp*9920p*9930< | Pi generator in Bef-97 |

                                      :09a*pa*3/1+19a*p09a*g:09b*v | |
                                      v_@# g*b90 p*b910 < p< | 7/2/1997, Kevin Vigor |
                                      19a*g:+1-29b*p19a*g::09v +------------------------+
                                      v*a90g*b90*g*b91: _v#p*9<
                                      g-#v_ 2a*+\$ v :$
                                      \1-aa*ga*+v p
                                      v1:/g*b92p*991:< *
                                      9b*p29b*g*199*g\v9
                                      v*b92p*aa-1g*990-<9
                                      g2-29b*p099*g1-:0^
                                      v -9p*b92:%ag*991 <
                                      #v_ 299*g1+299*p> ^
                                      09b*g:#v_$v
                                      v93p*b90-1<
                                      9*g199*ga/+.v
                                      v:g*992 <p*9 92-<
                                      v_29b*g399*p ^
                                      09b*g:#v_v 1
                                      vp*b90-1 < $ g
                                      199*g9`#v_'9,v *
                                      '0, >' ,299^

                                      Huh?!

                                      Greetings - Jacek

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                                      Lost User
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                                      This code makes awesomeness in BACON. Bacon.BeAwesome

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                                        Very hard to beat Brainfuck. :-D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck[^]

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                                        BACON is portable yet suits everyone.

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                                        • L Lutoslaw

                                          LET was supported in VB 6.0, wasn't it[^]? In VB .NET it is still a keyword but isn't used anymore :doh: .

                                          Greetings - Jacek

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                                          Flo Lee
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                                          Its even more weird with VBA now, where object variables have to be used with SET:

                                          Dim something as Sheet
                                          Set something = Sheets("blah")
                                          

                                          The "compiler" will complain if the SET is omitted... LET... SET.. and then nothing. What evolution :D BTW my first and always mantra for VBA: put an OPTION EXPLICIT in front of every file! :)

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